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I think your right. When I had the chance last Friday I pulled it back in and couldn't find it either. Don't know why I said that. Still think there's a way to do it though. I'll have to look at it some more. I just downloaded go1.20.1.windows-386.zip. Looking forward to trying it. Looks a little like "C" with the braces. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Thanks for the info. And we can close this thread. The info I got off of the ITPro website worked and Nero 7 is installed just the way I wanted it. Thanks for your and everyone else's help. Now just the Java remains.

So such a tool exists? I have wanted something like that for awhile. With that you can zero in on exactly what is causing the problem. When you step thru you can see what instruction caused the error and then examine that instruction to see why. I have that kind of app for my 1st computer. A TI99/4a. Yes it still works and I have it fully configured (hardware-wise) as far as it can go. The app is called Explorer and you can toggle between the detailed info screen (which includes the registers and instructions being executed and the user GUI which allows you to see the changes made as you step thru the instructions. Also have all the old games that ran on it and I also have a program that will read those game files and transfer them to my other computers. That will allow me to 1) burn them to disk so I can protect them from loss (they are on 5 1/4" floppies) and 2) run them on my "more modern" computers using the VM that emulates a TI 994/a on an IBM clone type computer. There are actually a couple of those emulators out there and they work very well. The one I have is PC99. Do you know the names of any of those tools?

That's a good point. I suppose though, with so many things changing in IT and the internet, you would still have to keep it up to date with the changes which would make the previous version obsolete but you could still keep it 'static" and able to be used on any OS. Never heard of GO before. Is it a programming language? That's what happened the first time I brought it into HxD. I edited the UPDATE value and re-saved it but it no longer had the Java icon and when I tried to run it I got an error message that the file was corrupt. Probably due to HxD saving it exactly as you see it on the screen. That's why I will try the disk editor. Sneak in and sneak out. HxD will give me the position in the file where that value is located and with that I should be able to go to that point in the file and make that change. I like outwitting these smarty pants apps. Usually I'm successful but not always....we'll see. I was really surprised when Norton did that. Actually that's some pretty clever programming. Never seen an app do that before. Usually they will issue a warning message that they couldn't load some file and the OS just carries on as usual. That was what I was hoping so that I didn't have to disturb anything.

I've been thinking along similar lines also. I have this suspicion that it might be Norton Utilities. It has several monitors going during a session that intercept files when they are deleted and protects them (Norton Protection). I guess it's possible that it somehow interferes with these 2 installs. So Last night I renamed the Norton Utilities folder and you'll never guess what it did on restart. It changed the registry entry to point to the newly re-named folder. Pretty sneaky Huh? I guess the only way to test that suspicion is to uninstall it.

I didn't mean written in Java. Whatever language is used for such a thing. A good example of a stand alone app is Sun Microsystems StarOffice 5.2. It's the equivalent of MS Office. It's 186MB in size and is composed of 2,125 files. It uses no Windows OS files and doesn't even make 1 registry entry. It uses the old style cfg and ini files for that. It also includes Adabas which is an SQL language similar to the other SQL languages (Access for instance). I have it on all 3 of my OS's: 98SE, ME and XP Pro SP3. It came bundled with my computer when I bought it. You just unzip the file and copy it over to the root directory. I think you might be able to find it out there as a free download now. It runs on any Windows OS. Just out of curiosity, I loaded the Java 5 update 22 into HxD last night. HxD is a hex editor that's a free download. I've used it for years to examine files. You can view and edit any file on any device including the BIOS ROM on the motherboard. Anyway I saw where the Java update looks at version.dll to get the version of the OS, the website link it wants to go to for the update (https://java.com/update/jre1.0.5_22), and the variable GET_UPDATE=1. I think I can use my disk editor to change the value of that variable to zero (0), or maybe just copy the version.dll over from ME and let it think it's on Millennium and see what happens.

Also, this is the Nero 7 that comes bundled with a new CD/DVD drive (the NOT FOR RESALE version). I did find some install options/switches yesterday on the ITPro website and I copied them into a Notepad file. But they were talking about deploying it in a company network setting so I'm not sure if that Nero 7 is different than mine and whether those install options will work with the version I have. But it's worth a try. As for the MSI, it is the correct version (I think it's 2.0.2600.2) and the same one as ME but this is the first app so far that has used it. You might be right about corruption (broken?). Sorry, I take that back. The Jave 5 Update 7 did use it so I would guess it's OK.

You know...that's exactly what I was thinking. Everything else I've installed has had no problems including all the 3rd party apps I've installed which are the same as what's on ME. These 2 things have been the only difficulty. And what is curiously interesting is that these are both German applications (anything AG or GmBH is of German origin). Please no one take that the wrong way. I just mean that they might have a different way of coding over there. Java and Nero are the only ones I've seen that use that unusual install menu.

No. This is a fresh install of 98se with all the official MS updates installed. Nero has never been on it yet.

Thanks. I just downloaded the nss files from the first link you provided. I have tried FF 8 and 10. Without the updated nss files they are pretty much the same as 3 except the bookmarks don't work (well known problem). I really didn't like that. Sometime in the future I will try one of those other browsers you mention. Actually been meaning to read the various discussions here about browsing in the here and now (2023) with the old 9x OS's. I guess it is visionary but it is true. That's what ties browsers to certain OS'S. They are taking advantage of the already written routines that come with Windows. I don't blame them. It saves them time writing the code. Guess I would probably do the same. Who knows. Maybe some ambitious programmer will have mercy on us.

Hey Awduck, must have missed this reply. No I don't have Java 5 update 6 installed but I think I know where it came from. The jrestub I had saved was for Java 5 Update 6. I did try the STATIC argument but that didn't work. Didn't know about the AUTO_UPDATE=DISABLE argument. I'll try that. Didn't see that one one the JAVA documentation archive.

This is the other problem I'm having with 98SE (aside from the Java thing). Nero 7 installs but it installs everything. All I want is Nero Express (the burner) and Nero Cover Designer. I remember that early in the install you are given the choice of which features to install. It gave me the options when I installed it in ME and just last summer it did the same in XP. But now I'm not getting the option menu in 98SE. Anyone know what's going on? Boy is 98SE fussy.

That idea didn't work either. Not yours, mine. Didn't matter that there was a previous version installed. Also tried to go online and do the online update instead. That didn't work since Firefox 3.6.23 is out of date. It does go to Google but most websites I try to go to I get the FF error message problem loading page - no cypher overlap. Wish someone would make a stand alone browser. One that doesn't depend on Windows OS files. Sure it's more work but it would work on any OS, except maybe the oldest one.

Thanks. I'll try this. But first a bit of good news. The Java 5 update 7 installed perfectly fine. So what I'm going to do first is see if the update 22 will install now that there is a previous version on the system. If not I will try your idea. I'll let you know.

Have nothing Java related in Common Files yet. Seems that 98 wants to put its data in Windows\Local Settings. I realize this seems more like XP but MS might have been doing that in 98. I also remember that folder being created in ME once. I moved the data to Windows\Application Data and adjusted the registry entry to point to that directory instead. As for "And look for msi, jusched and java log files in the Windows temp folder." the install hasn't created anything in the Temp folder. It fails before it does much of anything. And the only thing in the registryJava related are the entries for the Java that comes with 98 and ME.

Yep. Well that idea (autoexec.bat) didn't work. And it never produced a log file. Must not have gone far enough along to put anything useful in it. I did go to Oracle's java documentation archive and tried to use one of the switches they mention. STATIC=1 . What that does is prevent an older version of java from being overwritten by the new install in case older software requires the use of that previous version. I have no older version on there but I thought I would give that a try. Didn't help. The only Java that exists on 98se right now is the original Java that comes with Windows 98 and ME (which is Sun Java anyway) the \Windows\Java\classes, packages and trustlib one. Don't think that would do anything since it still exists in my ME installation after installing jre_1_0_5_22. I am going to try a slightly earlier version that was suggested above. The jre_1_5_0_7 version. I see that it doesn't use the windows msi installer but the Intel installer. Maybe I'll have better luck with that. Let you know tomorrow.

Great idea. Didn't know about that switch. And I agree, seems that everyone else can install it but me. I would figure that an install would look at either the Install or Uninstall key in the registry to see whether it's installed yet....not the autoexec.bat file but I have seen some unusual ways of doing things. Let you know tomorrow.

It really does put it in Windows\Local Settings\Sun\Java. And it's not the only app that has put it's settings in that folder. And I had the same thought too since I also have XP on this computer. There is one other thing that I thought of. When I installed Quick Time, it modified the Autoexec.bat file with 2 lines. I don't remember the exact entry but it was something like Set CLASSPATH= then the path to QTJava and set JAVA= something I don't remember. Since I knew that I was going to be installing and using Sun Java, I deleted those lines and copied over from ME's Autoexec.batr file the lines that Sun Java will put there. Now I wonder if Sun Java looks at the bat file and thinks it's already installed and that I am looking for any updates to Sun Java. I guess it's worth a try to just delete those lines out of the bat file tonight and retry the install. Any thought about that?

Yes I have the same file in my ME installation. That was done 14 years ago when Sun probably still had that location available. See above replies for more info. And like I said above "The only thing that does happen before the install terminates is that it makes a folder in Windows\Local Settings\Java\jre5\ with 2 files in it. One is the msi. I have tried running that msi but it just does the same thing. BTW, I did try Java 6 update 31 last night but it does the same thing as all the others."

From your screen shots it looks as if it's from XP. Have you tried this update on a 9x OS?

Absolutely the same. In fact the approximately 10 versions I've downloaded and tried are all the same 17106MB with a Sun sign-off on October 9 (from the Digital Signatures tab of the properties page). And last night what I did instead of pulling the telephone wire out of the wall socket was to delete the internet connections completely so there was nothing to go to. The install terminated even quicker. I wonder if there are some switches that can be used for this install that turn off the update feature. Something like "-noupdate". I'm pretty sure that what it's trying to do is check for any updates or patches for this version. Anyway, an offline update that has to go online to complete an install is not truly an offline update. I suppose it's possible that there is something unusual with my 98se installation but damned if I know what it could be. It's a fresh install with all the MS updates applied.

Nothing is in Add/Remove programs. Nothing in Common Files. No registry keys have been made (I use InCtrl5 to monitor installs). The only thing that does happen before the install terminates is that it makes a folder in Windows\Local Settings\Java\jre5\ with 2 files in it. One is the msi. I have tried running that msi but it just does the same thing. BTW, I did try Java 6 update 31 last night but it does the same thing as all the others. Guess it's about time to give up on this.

I guess there's a misunderstanding here. I do not have high speed internet only dial up. I don't use the internet very much. So I don't think the dial up is interfering. Only thing I can do with that is pull the telephone wire out of the socket.

No. Never. I went from 1.1 to 1`.3 then to 1.5 update 18, then 21, and then 22 (on my ME setup). That's what the error message said....1.5.0_06-b05.xml. This is the first time installing on a fresh installation of 98SE (naturally all the MS updates have been done already). And that's the installer version I have on my system 2.0.2600.2. And I already had installed KernelEx. In fact I have tried these installs with KernelEx turned off in case it was interfering with it somehow.

Thanks awduck. It looks to be the same as all the others I've tried. But I'll try it anyway. Reason for that version is that it was the last to support the 9x series OS's. Supposedly the Java 6 update 31 will install with KernelEx and I'll try that too as a last resort.