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You know...that's exactly what I was thinking. Everything else I've installed has had no problems including all the 3rd party apps I've installed which are the same as what's on ME. These 2 things have been the only difficulty. And what is curiously interesting is that these are both German applications (anything AG or GmBH is of German origin). Please no one take that the wrong way. I just mean that they might have a different way of coding over there. Java and Nero are the only ones I've seen that use that unusual install menu.

No. This is a fresh install of 98se with all the official MS updates installed. Nero has never been on it yet.

Thanks. I just downloaded the nss files from the first link you provided. I have tried FF 8 and 10. Without the updated nss files they are pretty much the same as 3 except the bookmarks don't work (well known problem). I really didn't like that. Sometime in the future I will try one of those other browsers you mention. Actually been meaning to read the various discussions here about browsing in the here and now (2023) with the old 9x OS's. I guess it is visionary but it is true. That's what ties browsers to certain OS'S. They are taking advantage of the already written routines that come with Windows. I don't blame them. It saves them time writing the code. Guess I would probably do the same. Who knows. Maybe some ambitious programmer will have mercy on us.

Hey Awduck, must have missed this reply. No I don't have Java 5 update 6 installed but I think I know where it came from. The jrestub I had saved was for Java 5 Update 6. I did try the STATIC argument but that didn't work. Didn't know about the AUTO_UPDATE=DISABLE argument. I'll try that. Didn't see that one one the JAVA documentation archive.

This is the other problem I'm having with 98SE (aside from the Java thing). Nero 7 installs but it installs everything. All I want is Nero Express (the burner) and Nero Cover Designer. I remember that early in the install you are given the choice of which features to install. It gave me the options when I installed it in ME and just last summer it did the same in XP. But now I'm not getting the option menu in 98SE. Anyone know what's going on? Boy is 98SE fussy.

That idea didn't work either. Not yours, mine. Didn't matter that there was a previous version installed. Also tried to go online and do the online update instead. That didn't work since Firefox 3.6.23 is out of date. It does go to Google but most websites I try to go to I get the FF error message problem loading page - no cypher overlap. Wish someone would make a stand alone browser. One that doesn't depend on Windows OS files. Sure it's more work but it would work on any OS, except maybe the oldest one.

Thanks. I'll try this. But first a bit of good news. The Java 5 update 7 installed perfectly fine. So what I'm going to do first is see if the update 22 will install now that there is a previous version on the system. If not I will try your idea. I'll let you know.

Have nothing Java related in Common Files yet. Seems that 98 wants to put its data in Windows\Local Settings. I realize this seems more like XP but MS might have been doing that in 98. I also remember that folder being created in ME once. I moved the data to Windows\Application Data and adjusted the registry entry to point to that directory instead. As for "And look for msi, jusched and java log files in the Windows temp folder." the install hasn't created anything in the Temp folder. It fails before it does much of anything. And the only thing in the registryJava related are the entries for the Java that comes with 98 and ME.

Yep. Well that idea (autoexec.bat) didn't work. And it never produced a log file. Must not have gone far enough along to put anything useful in it. I did go to Oracle's java documentation archive and tried to use one of the switches they mention. STATIC=1 . What that does is prevent an older version of java from being overwritten by the new install in case older software requires the use of that previous version. I have no older version on there but I thought I would give that a try. Didn't help. The only Java that exists on 98se right now is the original Java that comes with Windows 98 and ME (which is Sun Java anyway) the \Windows\Java\classes, packages and trustlib one. Don't think that would do anything since it still exists in my ME installation after installing jre_1_0_5_22. I am going to try a slightly earlier version that was suggested above. The jre_1_5_0_7 version. I see that it doesn't use the windows msi installer but the Intel installer. Maybe I'll have better luck with that. Let you know tomorrow.

Great idea. Didn't know about that switch. And I agree, seems that everyone else can install it but me. I would figure that an install would look at either the Install or Uninstall key in the registry to see whether it's installed yet....not the autoexec.bat file but I have seen some unusual ways of doing things. Let you know tomorrow.

It really does put it in Windows\Local Settings\Sun\Java. And it's not the only app that has put it's settings in that folder. And I had the same thought too since I also have XP on this computer. There is one other thing that I thought of. When I installed Quick Time, it modified the Autoexec.bat file with 2 lines. I don't remember the exact entry but it was something like Set CLASSPATH= then the path to QTJava and set JAVA= something I don't remember. Since I knew that I was going to be installing and using Sun Java, I deleted those lines and copied over from ME's Autoexec.batr file the lines that Sun Java will put there. Now I wonder if Sun Java looks at the bat file and thinks it's already installed and that I am looking for any updates to Sun Java. I guess it's worth a try to just delete those lines out of the bat file tonight and retry the install. Any thought about that?

Yes I have the same file in my ME installation. That was done 14 years ago when Sun probably still had that location available. See above replies for more info. And like I said above "The only thing that does happen before the install terminates is that it makes a folder in Windows\Local Settings\Java\jre5\ with 2 files in it. One is the msi. I have tried running that msi but it just does the same thing. BTW, I did try Java 6 update 31 last night but it does the same thing as all the others."

From your screen shots it looks as if it's from XP. Have you tried this update on a 9x OS?

Absolutely the same. In fact the approximately 10 versions I've downloaded and tried are all the same 17106MB with a Sun sign-off on October 9 (from the Digital Signatures tab of the properties page). And last night what I did instead of pulling the telephone wire out of the wall socket was to delete the internet connections completely so there was nothing to go to. The install terminated even quicker. I wonder if there are some switches that can be used for this install that turn off the update feature. Something like "-noupdate". I'm pretty sure that what it's trying to do is check for any updates or patches for this version. Anyway, an offline update that has to go online to complete an install is not truly an offline update. I suppose it's possible that there is something unusual with my 98se installation but damned if I know what it could be. It's a fresh install with all the MS updates applied.

Nothing is in Add/Remove programs. Nothing in Common Files. No registry keys have been made (I use InCtrl5 to monitor installs). The only thing that does happen before the install terminates is that it makes a folder in Windows\Local Settings\Java\jre5\ with 2 files in it. One is the msi. I have tried running that msi but it just does the same thing. BTW, I did try Java 6 update 31 last night but it does the same thing as all the others. Guess it's about time to give up on this.

I guess there's a misunderstanding here. I do not have high speed internet only dial up. I don't use the internet very much. So I don't think the dial up is interfering. Only thing I can do with that is pull the telephone wire out of the socket.

No. Never. I went from 1.1 to 1`.3 then to 1.5 update 18, then 21, and then 22 (on my ME setup). That's what the error message said....1.5.0_06-b05.xml. This is the first time installing on a fresh installation of 98SE (naturally all the MS updates have been done already). And that's the installer version I have on my system 2.0.2600.2. And I already had installed KernelEx. In fact I have tried these installs with KernelEx turned off in case it was interfering with it somehow.

Thanks awduck. It looks to be the same as all the others I've tried. But I'll try it anyway. Reason for that version is that it was the last to support the 9x series OS's. Supposedly the Java 6 update 31 will install with KernelEx and I'll try that too as a last resort.

That's what I figure too. But Oracle isn't interested in servicing a nearly 20 year old app and the location, which I think is java.oracle.com/update/1.0.5.22 etc, has probably long ago been de-activated. And as I said above, when I cancel the connection, the install terminates with nothing done. The only way I see now is to get that XML file and put it in the folder with the executable. But I have searched for that XML file online and find nothing. I suppose I could try the Java 6 update 31 which supposedly works with KernelEx and see what happens. I also have some previous versions that I saved (Java 1.1 and 1.3) and I did try 1.3 to see if it worked and it did. But that's going backward.

I have tried all the versions that have been provided and some that I found. They all do the same thing. Start the Internet connection. When I've allowed them to go ahead with the call they return an error that they can't find some XML file that is required to complete the install. When I cancel the Internet connection they end and do nothing. I don't know how to make that any clearer.

I'm going by what the Oracle webpage said. It showed an offline version that ended with a -p.exe and an online version that ended with a -itfw.exe. Also. the -itfw.exe version was much smaller which makes sense. So I assumed that all the java -p.exe updates out there were the offline version. Not all websites really know what they have. All the versions I've tried so far have cranked up the internet connection and when I cancelled the internet connection, the update ended with nothing done. That's pretty decisive. I'll try the one you mention above but I'm pretty sure I already downloaded the version that was on OldApps.

Yep. I looked thru my ME installation but didn't see any XML file. Probably does a clean up after the install. I do have copies of all the Java versions I've ever installed but they all seem to be online versions. I even found one on the web yesterday that was supposedly the offline version but it wasn't. Every update I've ever done on my systems I've saved and burned to disc in case they disappear from the web. Appreciate you taking the time to look thru your ME installation.

Did that earlier today. Although I'll try it tonight, I'll bet it's the online version. The only downloads on Oracle's site are the SDK versions (offered as online or off-line) , not the JRE versions. If someone still had that XML file that would help. Don't remember if Java does a post install clean-up but it probably does because I checked my ME system and it wasn't there.

Anybody know where I can get the offline version of this update? The version I have wants to go online to a now non-existant web page. I have the app and the jrestub but it wants to download a file named 1.5.0_06-b05.xml to complete installation. Any help appreciated. Thaqnks.

Never mind. I had a hunch that it was related to the sound card not be installed before I installed DirectX 9c. I re-installed it and it works fine now. Thanks for your help.