well how about both of you guys stop fighting then and wer wont have any problems. jaqie-if u dont want onboard then dont get it. punto will fight forever, ill promise you that so no point in continuing this on until some major consequences are given. and my opinion is that of coarse onboard will lower your bandwith, but hardly enough to be noticeable unless you are doing intensive video applications which means that you would want a video card anyways.. so just pick whatever you think is right, if you think that you are correct then just go with it as im sure that arguing will not change ur mind.