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FranceBB - Tell them never to throw out that machine. We'll pay them to keep it!!

jaclaz - you flatter me. The only code I know is a few pieces of the NYC Building Code and the Internal Revenue Code. When I was in high school in 1967-1971, I also learned Basic's b=b+1, which is why my bills are so high today. And the travails of Fortran IV on punch cards -- made law school less frightening in comparison. But you're certainly right that MS should have given its own installation program permission to change those 137 registry keys. (Unless there was a reason not to do so?)

jaclaz - PowerRun v1.0 (Run as TrustedInstaller) looks interesting. The O365 installation program Setup.X64.en-US_O365HomePremRetail_[many numbers]_TX_PR_.exe starts a big download over the internet that takes a while and which obviously runs a lot of stuff or something big in the background that I don't see. Would everything be run as TrustedInstaller?

More - I went to one of the registry keys in the Warnings and found that its Permissions are Read Only and its Owner is TrustedInstaller. There are way too many of these keys for me to try to change Owner and Permissions (and then change Owner back). Is there a generic script for taking a list of keys, changing their owners and permissions, then changing their owners back? What is MS doing if its own installation program doesn't deal with this?

Trip - Not sure what you mean by "portal". We bought Office 365 Home (5 users) and installed it first on my wife's iMac this past May. Two weekends ago, I finally installed it on the Win 7 Pro 64-bit side of my dual boot Dell 7010 as the second of the five permitted users. To do that, I followed the instructions in the tiny box (start at www.office.com/setup and enter the 25-character key on the card) and also called in to MS's help line to do the install. Unfortunately, the MS guy first did the 32-bit install. I asked him to re-do as 64-bit, so he did. Later, I noticed the many warnings mentioned above. Last weekend, I did my own very thorough UNinstall (using the MS tool available online) and reinstalled, but same Warnings recurred. It works! I'm doing tax work now on Excel. But I'm still a bit concerned about the Warnings. The version it installed is Office 16. The install program that's still in my Download folder is Setup.X64.en-US_O365HomePremRetail_[many numbers]_TX_PR_.exe. When I run that, it starts a big download over the internet that takes a while and which obviously runs in the background. The deep UNinstall program that's also still in my Download folder is o15-ctrremove.diagcab. Since I posted above, I found one of the many keys. Its Permission is read only, and its Owner is TrustedInstaller. There are too many different keys in the Warnings to change Permissions or Owners. Open to suggestions.

In installing and re-installing Office 365 Home (64-bit install on Win 7 Pro 64-bit), I get approx. 137 Warnings in Event Viewer like the following: Product: Office 16 Click-to-Run Extensibility Component. The application tried to modify a protected Windows registry key \msinkdiv.InkDivider.1. I did a deep uninstall and reinstall just to see if this could be avoided, but no. It happens on each install or repair or reinstall. Here's all the info for one of these - but keep in mind there are 137 different ones (different keys being named): Log Name: Application Source: MsiInstaller Date: 8/13/2016 1:48:06 AM Event ID: 1039 Task Category: None Level: Warning Keywords: Classic User: SYSTEM Computer: WINDOWS-[my PC] Description: Product: Office 16 Click-to-Run Extensibility Component. The application tried to modify a protected Windows registry key \msinkdiv.InkDivider.1. Event Xml: <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> <System> <Provider Name="MsiInstaller" /> <EventID Qualifiers="0">1039</EventID> <Level>3</Level> <Task>0</Task> <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2016-08-13T05:48:06.000000000Z" /> <EventRecordID>30907</EventRecordID> <Channel>Application</Channel> <Computer>WINDOWS-[my PC]</Computer> <Security UserID="S-1-5-18" /> </System> <EventData> <Data>Office 16 Click-to-Run Extensibility Component</Data> <Data>\msinkdiv.InkDivider.1</Data> <Data>(NULL)</Data> <Data>(NULL)</Data> <Data>(NULL)</Data> <Data>(NULL)</Data> <Data> </Data> <Binary>7B39303136303030302D303038432D303030302D313030302D3030303030303046463143457D</Binary> </EventData> </Event> -System -Provider [ Name]MsiInstaller -EventID1039 [ Qualifiers]0 Level3 Task0 Keywords0x80000000000000 -TimeCreated [ SystemTime]2016-08-13T05:48:06.000000000Z EventRecordID30907 ChannelApplication ComputerWINDOWS-[my PC] -Security [ UserID]S-1-5-18 -EventData Office 16 Click-to-Run Extensibility Component \msinkdiv.InkDivider.1 (NULL) (NULL) (NULL) (NULL) 7B39303136303030302D303038432D303030302D313030302D3030303030303046463143457D Binary data: In Words 0000: 3130397B 30303036 30302D30 302D4338 0008: 2D303030 30303031 3030302D 30303030 0010: 43314646 7D45 In Bytes 0000: 7B 39 30 31 36 30 30 30 {9016000 0008: 30 2D 30 30 38 43 2D 30 0-008C-0 0010: 30 30 30 2D 31 30 30 30 000-1000 0018: 2D 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 -0000000 0020: 46 46 31 43 45 7D FF1CE} What do you think?

Well, it's certainly "important" to Egyptians with PCs or they'll show up at the wrong time. Someone with a POS cash register in Alexandria must have complained. He hit the button and the drawer didn't open for an hour.

Egyptian time zone change?

Dave-H and dencorso - Thanks again. I've caught up to you and still using my XP typewriter to compose more Hemingway-esque posts like this one. I also ran the new MRT.exe quick scan. As sometimes happens, while it was running it showed 4 errors, but at the end it said there were no bad programs on the PC.

Hey, secret society - are today's Win 7 updates all good? Are we out of the woods, finally? If yes, what will we DO with the rest of our lives?

Well, gang ... who's going first?

Well, 365 will solve the problem of putting Office on our five computers without buying it five times up front. (But agree that Office 2003 was a lot better than this weird, flat display with the damned ribbon. I was tempted to install 2003 yet again, but after 13+ years there are security questions, and the world has moved on to the docx, xlsx, etc. formats.) Meantime, dencorso's comment about telemetry is noted. Haven't looked yet, but are there any settings in 365 to reduce the telemetry?

Getting back ON topic ... I have finally gotten around to installing Office 365 Home on my Win 7 Pro 64-bit machine. Needed MS's help because I didn't want to log in to my wife's MS account first in order to do the installation (she is the first user), but then MS helped my get over that, I did so and I immediately switched the new Office to my MS account AND had to reinstall because the first install was 32-bit and I wanted 64-bit. (Is ANYTHING ever easy?) Both MS phone persons were good, including Mr. Udid on the reinstall, who (in response to my lame joke about Scotch) told me he never drank and asked me what Scotch was like. I told him, "It's liquid dirt. Takes a while to really like it." ANYWAY, I said On topic, yes? Looks like Office 365 forced my PC to install update KB2999226 after all, even though it had been on my Hide Update list. It's the "Update for Universal C Runtime in Windows". Well, that sorta makes sense since Office 365 links to my OneDrive (MS) account. I'm not 100% sure the install of KB2999226 really took because there are error messages in Event Viewer, but Windows Update "View Update History" has it installed. What do you think? Where's my Scotch?

Indeed, which is why Google Translate is impressive even thought it makes mistakes. I can correct a few of its mistakes in the Romance languages, and even successfully translated into Chinese the important instructions "Very hard starch in my shirts, please." (I decided, however, not to add the word "bulletproof".)

Jorge - correct - OT - thanks for letting me vent. Back to GWX, which is now (happily) an old issue.

Noel - thanks, but the problem is even worse. It's not clear in Word HOW to clean it up. It's way too hard for non-engineers (or would-be geeks) to do. And it gets harder with every new version of Word. Only MS's monopoly power inflicted Word on us. Nobody thought it was better than WordPerfect or any of the few other programs then popular. When I first made the switch in 2002 (even before we were emailing docs as much as now), I was appalled how bad was Word. It was at least three steps backwards. The head of our word processing department agreed - we said to each other unprompted that it was a garbage program.

Noel - you are 100% on target. You are an engineer. Of course you're going to think about understanding the rules of the app and how to use them consistently and efficiently. But even if you were emailing long Word docs to other engineers only, they would have their own understandings and the docs (after revisions) would come back with a mish-mash of approaches. Now imagine very long docs that are emailed around for layer after layer of revisions and are NEVER ONCE handled by engineers. And later they are copied as starting points for the next transaction. (Or pages from a number of long docs are copied and pasted together to make a new doc.) Styles are the worst. When I must clean up a doc, it takes a long time, and then when I send it back to the source, they resent not having the mish-mash of styles they were working with. Word has been a huge, uglifying time-waster for the legal profession. Its fundamental design is wrong.

dencorso - thanks for the compliment, but, as my wife says, "glnz, you think you're a geek, but you're only a nerd."

Styles and section breaks. They should never have been invented. WordPerfect didn't have them. I can use them successfully. But there is not a single other lawyer or secretary who can. Not their fault - they are completely non-intuitive and useless. Documents get emailed around, revised by different firms with different style sets and end up with massive formatting problems. No one's styles are like anyone else's. Nobody switches from styles to manual formatting consistently. I learned my way as a defensive measure - to be able to unscrew the mess at 1am when there's no one else around to help (and most can't anyway). And of course the ribbon in Word 2010 killed my keyboard skills from Word 2003. And on and on.

Well, anxious friends, we've all saved Win 7 from GWX and most here are also still saving XP (thanks to jaclaz, dencorso and others in the XP POS thread). I'm a commercial real estate lawyer; I only pretend to be a geek. Win 7 doesn't bother me so much - it's OK even if not as good as XP. What really stinks is MS Word. For the legal profession, it's a wrongly conceived, badly designed piece of garbage that would never have been adopted but for its MS monopoly push onto the world's PCs. (In the early 2000's, all our clients stopped paying additional to keep WordPerfect, a far better program.) And Word gets tangibly worse with each new version. For me, Word's the real horror, and one I have to face every day. If you ever see a picture of Bill Gates with a black eye, you'll know I finally had a a chance to thank him.

Gang - Today is August 6. Now that free upgrade is past, I see that Mr. GWX himself KB3035583 has been magically erased from the "Restore Hidden Updates" list in my Win 7 Pro SP1 64-bit. Impressive! I still have the following KBs in my "Restore Hidden Updates" list and wonder if I should now UNhide any of them and install them: KB2952664 KB2999226 KB3021917 KB3068708 KB3080149 KB3118401 What say you?

Dave-H and heinoganda - Thanks. Just ran Heinoganda's Cert_Updater, but the blue window has dates that are a bit back, one of which is almost a year old. Does this look correct? Thanks.

Half way back in this great thread, there's a download for updating your trusted certificates. I think provided by heinoganda. Just noticed the following message in Event Viewer on my XP machine, without my doing anything. Is this the same thing? Am I getting lucky for a change?

jaclaz - I tried to do first an incremental rescan and then a full rescan of one of the indexed folders but got the same 4118 error messages in Event Viewer - "A content scan could not be completed on [that folder]". So I'm looking at your second suggestion re the size of the USN Journal. First, this is what I see in cmd: What would you recommend I change, and how much? Thanks.

bphltp and jaclaz - what do you make of the fact that, right now, in "Add or Remove Windows Components," the Indexing Service is NOT checked. (I don't know how long that's been the case.) Should I just check it and see? I'd prefer to keep the existing, deep database and not have the OS try to re-do it from scratch. I have emails going back to 2005. Prefer that Indexing turn back on, respect the existing database and start catching up from last November. By the way, I do have an alternate system -- Google Desktop -- which I've kept all these years after Google discontinued it. It's actually where I go first. But it isn't foolproof, and I like to have the MS Indexing Service as well. All of this helps me a lot when I'm looking for a document or spreadsheet that's a needle in a haystack, especially when I'm doing tax returns (like next month). Thanks.