Lancelot_Real

Hi Kullenen_Ask, kare's builder homepage has always been http://www.kare-net.de/LiveSystempro-e.html from first day, and so far I know it is officially supported by the forum http://www.livesystem-pro.de/ ( livesystem GT/ ) The other page you refer, I do not know anything about that, I guess it is (was) a page providing some set of pe related utilities including kare builder.... Since first days, new versions announced here (on an announcement topic) http://www.livesystem-pro.de/ ( livesystem GT/ ) and updated here http://www.kare-net.de/LiveSystempro-e.html you can add to your favorites to check out things in time... * Yes, all text editors I know (notepad, notepad++, notepad2, scintilla ....) look like each other, also all spread utilties (excel, spreadsheet etc...) also all mp3 player's look like each other too (....) list is long...... I guess We can classify, karebuilder is yet another "scriptbased+builder", so it is no surprise to see gui similarities at first look. I am pretty sure future "scriptbased+builder" will have similarities too..... Since I already know you do not like "scriptbased+builder" type, instead prefer "simpleplugin+builder" type as in Bart's PEBuilder, I know (guessed) it would not fit your desires. (I had explained in detail before, currently simplifying classification) Still, now having more than 1 "scriptbased+builder" breaks monopoly on this area Who knows, maybe this can encourage some developers to create "simpleplugin+builder" which would fit your desires. If I see another builder public, I will try to inform here, it is not good to keep things one place.

Following topic theme: Any programmer think to make a winpe builder? Months passed, This new builder, as freeware, published for a while now, self including PE inside HomePage Here http://www.kare-net.de/LiveSystempro-e.html and ForumPage Here http://www.livesystem-pro.de/ ForumPage with Google Translator: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=tr&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.livesystem-pro.de%2F Well Not fitting vvurat's requirements, Besides, with freeware license (unlike kape..) it serves an important task, breaking monopoly on pe-builder world As I am beening sent some copies, like kare's builder before, I can say one more builder can be published with some months, up to author(s). Diversity is good for Internet freeware world

Hi All, Gena ZIP distributions updated Topic: http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=143 Package Page: http://gena.cwcodes.net/Compressed/ Extract to a basic folder like C:\Gena and have fun Gena become quite stable, not only the build routines but also webserver adjustments..., still, improvements never ends Happy Gena Builds

You know I know......, and you know (can easly guess) why I asked ... Besides not critical, I will follow what you decide

Sharing same feelings , that is the reason behind opensource: Gena, MakePE3, Win7PE SE , Multi7PE SE..... * Driver infs looks like hives infs, but different, I will not go in more detail about infs since your main focus is PE3 and a Real Good new builder, where infs not desired. All I want to explain why a new builder author would not jump on such organisation following history..... Besides, as I mention before, I fully understand your idea, with having experiences with pebuilder, and as I wrote before I can only do something like that when I start writing........ * I also advice you MakePE3, looong time ago..... * Focus on making batch plugins, ex: mediaplayer.cmd mediaplayer.reg blablaservice.cmd blablaservice.reg ===> This will be "universal" regs would be easy, preparing a cmd to be used generally (ex: call batch with some parameters for source-target .. and other stuff...) would take time, but in the end you get things organise, it will be easy to prepare new batches-plugins and as a result you would be providing plugins to be used by EVERYONE. To follow ""Optimize_Profile.txt" ms way", I advice you better make your own pluginer.exe, preferably using Auto-IT....... (and creating own pluginer.exe opens other gates ....) For both paths, I am pretty sure you can get support for batches (.cmd) or/and Auto-IT about things when you stuck in design..... * Do not stuck in "universal" Think SherpyaXPE, where Sherpye decide to create a PE1 that is closer to real windows, created his tools (all opensource) and followed pebuilder plugins and etc. etc..... With above batch-au3 idea, you can do same, and in time if you made a good work, shared tidly and nicely, (ex: Sherpya -> homepage infos + distribution) someone will follow you one day since batches and regs are universal. * Or you can simply make plugins with a file list and reg ex: blablaservice.reg blablaservice.txt leaving how they will be used to end user. ** Or you can ask wimb if he it is ok for him to use make_pe3 to makepe3KA (reminding BartPE->SherpyaXPE) Like SherpyaXPE, if you do things right, than you will hit your "universal" goal..... **** Long story to short, you can do something yourself that fit your desires, and easly sharable by all, or you can wait someone do it for you, with an excuse "I do not know programming", and spend time on other stuff.... Above are ideas that come to my mind, all requires some sort of work, maybe useful for you maybe not, up to you...... Choice is yours, blue pill or red pill, but in the end I advice you to keep fun. Overall, I like you working on PE3 (4) stuff, even without above, besides sharing with everybody on forums, even not being a pe3-4 fan at all, Thanks.

Hi Nuno Brito, This topic is NOT about why winbuilder is a disaster. Although Major Points already underlined by JFX, you (as usual-expected) ignore, which is another major point of winbuilder failure...... (my smile JFX gave me) ps: winbuilder is not unique anymore........... Topic Starter Kullenen_Ask, as well as other contributers already knows winbuilder, and some already knows in detail why it is a big failure. (ex: knowing why one must NOT use RegImport,c:\myFile.reg , apperantly you do not, ask your test team.....) If you want to do something about failures of your builder: you may try to understand what Kullenen_Ask is after, you may try to understand JFX comments, you may try to read topics of bootland full of such annoyance by MANY users, (and you are still asking without fixing any !! ) you may even check relevant topic given above http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=160 ---> work on them........ or as expected, you can ignore all, and continue your self advertisements with posts like above, for your msfn-vs-bootland click number race, or manupulate what has already written for the audiance...... after years knowing you well, quite boring to watch indeed, only gives me smile to see rarely again..... Here Kullenen_Ask open this topic, knowing available projects-builders : and further posts, he well describe what he is looking for anyone who is interested, Kullenen_Ask request is quite valuable information for the ones who have such goals...... I hope not to see winbuilder advertisements anymore on this topic which is not the subject, better you open another topic with a title "Why Winbuilder is a big failure" with initial answers of JFX, or not..... Shortly: better not terrorize this topic like you and your friends always do around, reminding: this topic is NOT about winbuilder disasters, you are the one who jump in with "wrong" lines, caused JFX react and "fix" them......, Baby Step 1 of terrorize.... I hope you can stop.

Hi JFX, I hope you also syncronise changes with WinNTSetup v1

hmm funny, the guy who kicked the best developers out of the boot-land forum, calls himself also Nuno Brito. B) Your focus is not what any script developer cares about. I would highly recommend to focus on reliability, speed, simplicity AND a clear script syntax. With above replies. You give me today's big smile JFX, Thanks. See you

Hi Kullenen_Ask, you mix "projects" with "builders" The topic, clearly shows you are looking for a hybrid-builder (what I call), Some examples: pebuilder kape1-2 Makepe3 a set of batch builders available internet (for pe2/3) etc. These "hybrid-builders" can not be expand widely for other stuff, not "a lot" flexible, (you can not fix pebuilder or kape core failures your own) besides do their tasks what they designed for. Since they contain their core inside, you can not touch them. ps: MakePE3 is special, It is full opensource mainly batch and IF you study it would be easy to make your plugins, instead of .inf, with batches and reg..... Also I know you are looking for "pebuilder" kind of plugin structure with a new builder since some later posts of this topic, above example also reproves.... You miss a big point: pebuilder plugins (.inf) is using pebuilder's "inf to reg converter core" (following MS documentations etc.), which is a must for any PE1 build (nt5), Bart was smart to use same core with some minor additions as plugins. Tip: If you want to write your own pe1 builder, you must be following nt5 install path rules, where setup using .inf files to create registry and copy files (from where to where etc...)...... But since pe2 , billy make things simpler, no need to read inf to write reg, setup hives are already there also no need to use inf to find which files to copy, path structure already there and .wim having different indexes for different sets, and for features I guess now using xml....., shortly I advice you not to wait a pe2/3 hybrid-builder, plugin using old pe1 inf structure soon, I hope you understand..... Besides you are right at one point (do not exagarate, only one point ), all i can say when (if) I start writing a builder (not soon, some year, but other candidates can be earlier) I know what to do to fit such desire............ * you mix "projects" with "builders", the link you give is about a script engine winbuilder, syntax, here is link for Auto-IT syntax http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/docs/ here is link for cmd syntax http://www.robvanderwoude.com/batchfiles.php here is link for wsh syntax http://www.robvanderwoude.com/wsh.php ...... neither AutoIT represents a specific program written with AutoIT, I do not think all batches are doing same, and etc...... but we know all batches with cmd console screen do not do same thing........ If we use a batch (.cmd) to build Gena, Gena will be still Gena. Besides using batch, yes possible, but would not be nice for end user, and etc.... At the time we start Gena, there was only winbuilder there to be used, unlike today More About Gena, to make a pe1 build, you would either use ready regs (brrrr, bad for multilanguage support), or use pebuilder as core (check Alberich, BartPE-Core, Reatogo, Sherpya, Teuton...) or make your builder as core . ps: Alberich and BartPE-Core also using winbuilder for end user easiness, besides both using pebuilder for core build. Gena using Saydin77 core (written by Saydin77). Saydin already bored & tired from winbuilder verrrry much before all of us (JFX, Galapo, Lancelot, ....) and decide to write his pe1 builder, his pe1 core part ended with some batches and au3 (opensource) codes. Core part, was a package, autoit.exe and plugins triggered by batches........ (au3 and cmd syntaxes...) ps: Saydin77 core naturally have no troubles with hostx64 or different win versions . Than he started to make a plugin organiser (what we call builder) to fit other requirements, but could not end.... (time troubles) It would be hard for end user if we had decide to continue with batches when we first start with Gena, hence we decide to continue distributing Gena via winbuilder for a while (like BartPE-Core, Alberich) since easier for end user (cmd or wb....), besides designed Gena in such a way (code level), when there is a better alternative we will easly convert Gena to new builder(s). Design part is simple: do not use winbuilder for critical registry and file operations (reasons written by JFX). With this design development, current Gena get VERY stable today after a full 1 year work. ps: This Design princaple previously used by JFX with old Multi7PE_SE before he become one of the member of "kicked the best developers out of the boot-land forum" fun club. B) Later as you know ChrisR continued with Multi7PE_SE having new name Win7PE_SE, simple proof of the success of this princaple and proof of... (guess).... ps2: a related topic here http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=160'>http://theoven.org/index.php?topic=160 Another diffirence among other PE1 projects: Gena is a full team project, it started with 2 admins (Galapo and Lancelot) fully supported by Saydin77 for core and core related stuff, BlueLife au3 tools you will notice all around (both following design princaple), and when you notice a patch, dependency or a rare feature inside Gena you will mostly notice it was done by JFX , and Olegpov's expertise with driverpacks and bootlogo, Nikzzzz expertise on bootmedia (+patch) stuff, and all supports so far on topics The idea of being a team comes from nobody is (can be) "owner" of Gena, which requires a "true team" and "true hoby" spirit. So far I know Gena is unique with having many developers active, using this development model among other projects. For more Gena related questions, better as at Gena home forum: http://theoven.org/ Well your topic already manupulated, and manupulation continues with similar routines I am quite familiar with, since you seem all fine with such off-topics here and asked the question, I hope above helps. Back to subject: As I wrote initially at current topic, I am also looking for a "real good" builder, written by a real good programmer, following princaples JFX already wrote Which I know same princaples valid for all softwares I had found all around, most home made, hoby natured, freeware productions follow same princaple. Again mostly commercial products cause headaches. Till this happen, Search will continue, we already have a new one, and better ones requires a long work with anyone having available "hoby" time, Or I will start to write, after my job-time available. (Galapo and Saydin77 also candidates I know, having same time trouble for today)

Maybe you are mixing projects with builders because of hybrid designs back to roots.... Yet another PE project not much required, but you can be sure there is high requirement for a Real Good builder. ps: Kape1-2 , some series of batch builds for pe2/3, and a new coming builder can be added to list, still all not fit builder requirements for various reasons. I also have same wish with Kullenen_Ask for some years now, hoping a real good programmer, seeing such high requirement on internet, having some freeware open source soul, with free time to develop such thing, one day.

Hi Killerdog, JFX made some updates to Gena, which may help !?!? To ease your tests (in case you miss update) here is current Gena packed http://www.mediafire.com/?sjtx9cadoxyvgvz Good luck.......

Short Version of Previous Post: Gena package updated with great set of improvments, fixes, enhancements with the help of many valuable contributers..... You can download "Gena Meal Archive" here http://www.mediafire.com/?z6imajacqjw42en Have fun.

Hi All, Gena zip archives updated :>:>. with lots of fixes and a lot improvmets (Thanks to Saydin77, JFX, BlueLife, Nikzzzz, Olegpov, Acus, JonF, Amalux, Arvy and all.....) After initial release at mid-march, with hardwork, Gena come to a state of Solid-Stability now. Some improvments. Windows Theme support now available (Thanks to JFX) We now have experimental (& expandable) Mass Storage x64 plugin waiting contributions... REAL Pre-Build Shortcut creation now done perfectly helping to boot faster. (Thanks to Galapo, JonF) And many more available with new plugins and more options ... Some new plugins: WinNTSetup2 (JFX) LetterSwap (Nikzzzz) SwapAdd (Olof) DnsJumper (BlueLife) RegCPE (BlueLife) BootIce (Pauly) .... ps: pictures at post1 also updated Also, After long term discussions, zip archive distribution method Settled :>, we have 3 zip distribution: Gena Meal: Main Distribution, You can easly get a Rescue CD with a small set of useful applications along with ALL available Gena build options. Gena Appetizer: A VERY Small build to demonstrate "Basics" of Gena (Light Gena). If you are very new user and want to figure out what Gena based on, try this baby. Gena Sweets Addon: An addon to Gena Meal containing many additional and useful Application plugins you would like to use. more info here Download links of Gena Archive(s) can be found here http://galapo.net/gena/Compressed/

Gena is an extremely flexible PE1 project which uses Explorer as shell, supports SATA/IDE drives (thanks to DriverPacks), USB devices, and many other features and tweaks. Gena builds from a Windows™ XP/2003 Install CD. Features of Gena: Gena uses saydin77 Builder Core (the best ever), which is the first opensource, first multi-architecture, first multi-language supporting core. Gena supports all multi-language sources (e.g., Arabic, Chinese, English, Greek, Japanese, Hebrew, Turkish, etc.). Supported combinations of architecture and service packs are: XP-x86-SP3 (Adviced), XP-x86-SP2, 2k3-x86-SP2, 2k3-x86-SP1, XP/2k3-x64-SP2, XP/2k3-x64-SP0.By default, Gena boots fine with 96 MB available RAM (128 MB advised). Of course, RAM requirement can be easily lowered with some techniques (but we do not believe today’s users have PC with lower than 96 MB available RAM). Depending on which script selections are made and how many apps are included, Gena builds at around ~60 MB with full mass storage driver support. Using WimBoot Gena builds at around ~30 MB, which makes for easy and quick booting (esp. PXE booting conditions).Gena is fully opensource on PE1 building steps, including tweaks, with all credits referenced correctly.Profile handling is now significantly improved, with all localised names able to be utilised.More up-front and organised “Basic” level scripts which allow for easy setting of important build options.Four Backup/Restore scripts have been added to substantially simplify rebuilding the project from a given state and/or stage.Boot time has been greatly improved in most cases due to the addition of new scripts which unmount floppy drives at early boot (thanks to Blue Life).“Adjunct”-type scripts have been relocated for organisation.“Component” scripts have undergone the following improvements:Pre-Build Shortcut creation now done perfectly helping to boot faster (without requiring fix-after-boot workarounds that cause delays). (Thanks to Galapo and The Great Au3 team)Gena now explicitly supports multi-boot scenarios with provision made by way of “OtherOS” organisation à la PE2/3 (script level 7) in conjunction with BootsectorPE script. Many, many thanks to ALL who have contributed so far! We hope you like Gena as much as we do! Gena Homepage: http://Gena.cwcodes.net/ Gena Home forum: http://TheOven.org Gena Packages: http://Gena.cwcodes.net/Compressed/ Gena Hot Files Server: Gena.cwcodes.net Gena Hot Files can be obtained through the winbuilder Download feature using the following address: Gena.cwcodes.net Alternatively, a (generally up-to-date) archived of Gena can be obtained here. An index of plugins may be found here. Regards, Galapo & Lancelot. Ps. Some screen shots from various Themed Language builds of Gena: Gena English Small Picture: Full sized Pictures: Gena English http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_t_English.png http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_c_English.png Gena English x64 with WOW64 http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_t_x64_with_WOW64.png http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_c_x64_with_WOW64.png Gena Japanese http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_t_Japanese.png http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_c_Japanese.png Gena ChineseHongK http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_t_ChineseHongK.png http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_c_ChineseHongK.png Gena Turkish http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_t_Turkish.png http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_c_Turkish.png Gena Russian http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_t_Russian.png http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_c_Russian.png Gena Arabic http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_t_Arabic.png http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_c_Arabic.png Gena Greek http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_t_Greek.png http://gena.cwcodes.net/files/gena_pictures/Gena_c_Greek.png

Thanks a lot JFX, B)

Welcome ChrisR Waiting for a long while now for this nice news, Thanks

I am Glad to see Patch Master around Welcome JFX @jperry Sorry jperry, no comment about topic, JFX is a verry good friend which we missed his sharing wisdom for a long while. (well, truely we see JFX on 911cd and forum.sanbarrow.com time to time , sharing some true good works, google would help if you wonder...) Since it is his first post around msfn, I feel to welcome him.

Just for the record, here is the parallel thread on boot-land: http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=12300

I know, neither did i anyway, it was just an idea to show an easy way (once practiced you will see) about providing difference between Boot.wim and your WIN7PE.WIM. Rest is up to you.

Hi Küllenen Aşk, For compare, my favorite (which is also portable) http://winmerge.org/ use WinMergeU.exe To demonstrate usage I compared xpsp2 to xpsp3: To have a "quick" compare Edit-->Options-->Compare==> File Compare Method: Modified Date http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8310/75422850.png Drag and Drop 2 folders (here I use H:\XPSP2_Enu\ and H:\XPSP3_Enu\) and do not forget to enable "subfolder" checkbox http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9618/22909495.png and Click OK After list created, I clicked "Comparison Result" to get different files list at top. (which most needs I guess ) http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4900/58370256.png Than Click "Tools-->Generate Report" http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4495/76324054.png I used "Tab-seperated list" http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9820/62378262.png Result is: http://lancelot.winbuilder.net/5F/201005262248_kullenenasktest.rar To open, I use spread32 (free) http://www.byedesign.co.uk/ File of Type: choose --> Tab delimeted text http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3351/19976417.png after a simple resize on columns one will get a nice list..... http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1866/44793815.png I hope you like, keep good work.

@AhmedKayihan Read carelfully and I write again, I am successfull by using "USB Connected Optical Drive"+"Integrating Fernando's Driver to XPx64sp2 and creating a cd with this XPx64sp2". It is very rude to write "liar" to anyone without knowing his/her faults. From my experience "USB Connected Optical Drive" is a very good, reliable mobile helper when installing XP/2k3-x86/x64 etc. to any pc with having right drivers integrated with a right way. My hardware: Asus P5B , jmicron raid0 (2 connected disks) , intel ahci enabled (3 connected disks), a usb case for dvd-rw to connect cd. (dvd-rw is ide connection, simply converted to usb connection with converter in the case) --> I installed xpx64 both ahci enabled disks and raid0 disks without interacting bios knowing fernando's drivers work great. Besides As I wrote above I used and adviced using usb connected cd/dvd to many all returning with success. I feel your problems will continue with ufd setup which you are looking for, as written before seach google for it. Anyway Good luck with bootable ufd creating on topics you find with google.

hi Kullenen_Ask, WBZipMgr http://www.paraglidernc.com/winbuilder/Utilities/utilities.htm works on XP, but I requires .net (I have 3.5 on my hostos) to be installed. (I use it on xp) ps: when i post wbzipmgr here, webpage was not ready. if you are familiar with batches , unwbzip is great too and does not need .net framework get latest unwbzip from post 15 http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=10783 Maybe helps: There are positive results saying Joakim's LODR-U http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=8329 of .net working when RC7100 used as source. (ps: do not worry, LODR-U is not a script and no relation to winbuilder, it is shortly portable form of .net) as i wrote before, .reg files and file lists are the universal source of information. Can be converted to anything in anyform. Keep the good work.

in the past yes , with Fernando's help not anymore.attaching dvdrom from usb and ahci/sata etc. things are totally different. At least you can be sure connecting through usb has no issue on installing xp (x64 or x86 etc.) , I use usb connection my self for years to install. I strickly advice you to follow Fernando's posts providing required information asked properly, be sure there is light in the end @Fernando I just figured out to use msfn pm, and just send one to you, I hope I managed . Thanks a lot again.

Have you followed Fernando's instructions on post #1 of current topic !!! (your initial post make me feel you have not yet)

Hi AhmedKayihan, I am a XP x64 (the greatest windows) user and using my ahci + raid disks (xpx64 on raid0 disks) too. Follow Fernando's great work to success and feed back on further success or failures etc. btw, I am not a strick tester but I guess* xpx64 performance is not very good with raid0 . Check google for comments. Good luck edit: @Fernando I can not use msfn.org's new skin to pm on something not directly related about your current topic, how can i pm to you (maybe through 911 or ...)