well see, I agree with you Boogs, but as far as i know, a dictionaries purpose is to try different combinations of passwords in a given amount of time, which is like it would try "123123123asldkhj" then "123123123asldkhj2" etc etc.. About the time thing, that really can be passed by , like a script, per say PHP script.. and then when you forward that php script, you can also set an interval of reading from the dic file.. And as far as i know, no host can control the number of logins allowed on a specifc script. If there is anything that is going to block login from vBulletin, it is vBulletin it's self indeed. It is pretty confusing ofcourse, im not saying it is true, but there is a possibility imo.. :hohum Blackwar