Software for downloading movies?

[martha]

Hi Cluberti,

Thank you very much for your suggestion, I looked a little bit at this software and found that many users aren't so pleased of its work and some of them decided to give up using it and turn into another software. Can you please tell me if that it's true? Or is it working well for you?

Regarding illegality, I just want to have those episodes on my pc just for my personal use, for travelling or for later view and not for sharing so, I don't think I'm doing smth wrong.

Thank you!!

Edited December 3, 2009 by martha

[nathan_s]

Well, maybe the torrent itself isn't illegal, but the files u download with torrent are nothing but cracked and hacked so they are against the rules, that's why I don't want to use it, plus they are full of viruses.

I was thinking about those screen capturing software which just rerecord the files played in backgrounds and they seem not to be illegal cause they don't have nothing to do with cracks.

You are misunderstanding, video files of any kind cannot be cracked or hacked, the "breaking of the law" part here is that you get an illegal copy of a copyrighted video on your PC, which you also do by screen capture. If you haven't purchased a licensed DVD or CD or whatever with the video and are not paying for it - you are bypassing copyrights, which is illegal, not only the way you do it.

If I share a number of my photoes through BitTorent - that's OK, there is nothing cracked, its legal no matter how you transfer it

If you get a recently released movie, a TV show series, cracked software - that's illegal, but you'd be breaking the law anyway even if you brought this things to your PC on a flash drive, or use screen capture, not just because you use torrents.

I do hope this info was useful since the twisted moral about law breaking torrent users pretty much makes the discussion in this topis useless

[jaclaz]

And here comes again the differences with local laws.

Most Europe countries have developed a "tax" on blank media:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

We are in the paradox that someone willing to record on CD or DVD his own data (say the novel or programs yo have written) pays a compensation to "content providers".

There is even a CLRA:

Copyright Levies Reform Alliance

http://www.out-law.com/page-6821

http://ec.europa.eu/avpolicy/docs/other_ac...col_2006_en.pdf

(Please read BSA vs. Majors)

The original site, eicta.org, is now here:

http://www.digitaleurope.org/index.php?id=1

http://www.digitaleurope.org/web/news/tele...r.php?iddoc=816

If I may, lot of bla-bla's and nothing actually done.

It is foreseeable that similar levies will be introduced to hard disk like devices.

jaclaz

[MrJinje]

And here comes again the differences with local laws.

Most Europe countries have developed a "tax" on blank media:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

How much is the levy on a 50 spindle of DVD's. Is it more than 10,000 lira ?

[jaclaz]

And here comes again the differences with local laws.

Most Europe countries have developed a "tax" on blank media:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy

How much is the levy on a 50 spindle of DVD's. Is it more than 10,000 lira ?

We don't have Lira's since the adoption of Euro, January, 1st, 2002

If I am not mistaken current levies have not changed since their adoption:

Decreto legislativo 9 aprile 2003, n. 68

Art. 39

1. Il compenso di cui all'art. 71-septies della legge 22 aprile 1941, n. 633, è fissato fino al 31 dicembre 2005, e comunque fino all'emanazione del decreto di cui allo stesso art. 71-septies, nelle seguenti misure:

a ) supporti audio analogici: 0,23 euro per ogni ora di registrazione;

b ) supporti audio digitali dedicati, quali minidisc, CD-R audio e CD-RW audio: 0,29 euro per ora di registrazione. Il compenso è aumentato proporzionalmente per i supporti di durata superiore;

c ) supporti digitali non dedicati, idonei alla registrazione di fonogrammi, quali CD-R dati e CD-RW dati: 0,23 euro per 650 megabyte.

d ) memorie digitali dedicate audio, fisse o trasferibili, quali flash memory e cartucce per lettori MP3 e analoghi: 0,36 euro per 64 megabyte;

e ) supporti video analogici: 0,29 euro per ciascuna ora di registrazione;

f ) supporti video digitali dedicati quali DVHS, DVD-R video e DVD-RW video: 0,29 euro per ora, pari a 0,87 euro per un supporto con una capacità di registrazione di 180 minuti. Il compenso è aumentato proporzionalmente per i supporti di durata superiore;

g ) supporti digitali idonei alla registrazione di fonogrammi e videogrammi, quali DVD Ram, DVD-R e DVD-RW: 0,87 euro per 4,7 gigabyte. Il compenso è aumentato proporzionalmente per i supporti di durata superiore;

h ) apparecchi esclusivamente destinati alla registrazione analogica o digitale audio o video: 3 per cento dei relativi prezzi di listino al rivenditore.

Article d ) has been changed :

http://gazzette.comune.jesi.an.it/2004/119/4.htm

d ) e' sostituita dalla seguente:

«d ) memorie digitali idonee per audio e video, fisse o

trasferibili, quali flash memory e cartucce per lettori MP3 e

analoghi: 0,36 euro per ogni gigabyte»;

from € 0.36/64 Mb to € 0.36/1 Gb !

But article h-bis) has been added:

b ) dopo la lettera h ) e' aggiunta la seguente:

«h-bis ) apparecchi esclusivamente destinati alla masterizzazione

di supporti DVD e CD e software finalizzato alla masterizzazione: 3

per cento dei relativi prezzi di listino al rivenditore».

3% tax on actual recorders/burners AND related software

The referenced document:

http://www.digitaleurope.org/web/news/tele...r.php?iddoc=816

says €0.25/700 Mb instead of the above €0.23/650 Mb for "Data" CD's, but result is the same

If you get a 50 CD 650 Mb spindle:

• if the CD's are marked "Audio" you pay 0,29 x 72/60 x 50=17.40 Euros <- this is roughly 34,000 "old" Liras
  
• if the CD's are NOT marked "Audio". you pay 0,23*50=11,50 Euros <- this is roughly 22,000 "old" Liras
  

or if you prefer respectively 0.348 and 0.23 Euros apiece

It is not clear if producers can get a "discount" on this levy or not.

jaclaz

[cluberti]

Thank you very much for your suggestion, I looked a little bit at this software and found that many users aren't so pleased of its work and some of them decided to give up using it and turn into another software. Can you please tell me if that it's true? Or is it working well for you?

Most people with camstudio problems are usually trying to capture full screen video with a fairly underpowered CPU or GPU, or have problems with codecs. I've never personally had an issue with the software in the year and a half or so I've used it, but the PC it's on is fairly new (Core2 Quad 9550, 8GB RAM). I didn't have trouble on an old P4 3GHz machine w/2GB of RAM I ran it on before this without issue, for what it's worth.

I would say use it, and if you have problems, look around for an alternative. However, if you've got a decently muscled PC and/or don't plan on capturing video at HD resolutions, you should be fine.

[martha]

You are misunderstanding, video files of any kind cannot be cracked or hacked, the "breaking of the law" part here is that you get an illegal copy of a copyrighted video on your PC, which you also do by screen capture. If you haven't purchased a licensed DVD or CD or whatever with the video and are not paying for it - you are bypassing copyrights, which is illegal, not only the way you do it.

If I share a number of my photoes through BitTorent - that's OK, there is nothing cracked, its legal no matter how you transfer it

If you get a recently released movie, a TV show series, cracked software - that's illegal, but you'd be breaking the law anyway even if you brought this things to your PC on a flash drive, or use screen capture, not just because you use torrents.

I do hope this info was useful since the twisted moral about law breaking torrent users pretty much makes the discussion in this topis useless

Using torrents is illegal cause sharing your own files is illegal. If you purchase a movie and then share it on torrents is illegal. The difference between the screen capturing software and torrents is that the copy you make with the software is just for your personal usage and not sharing it with another people. If you use torrents you have to share your personal files and this makes it illegal.

@cluberti,

Thanks, I'll give it a try, I hope everything will be ok.

Edited December 4, 2009 by martha

[jaclaz]

Using torrents is illegal cause sharing your own files is illegal.

And again, using torrents is legal as long as what you download is legal.

"Sharing your own files" is NOT illegal as long as you have the license to distribute them, if they are really "your own" you have this right, of course.

Sharing a non-redistributable file (and downloading it) may be illegal depending on your local laws.

Torrent is NOT "evil" in itself, the use that it is made of it may.

jaclaz

[martha]

Ok, let's say you're right and torrents are not illegal... Can you please give a link where I can read about its legality? Cause as far as I found and read torrents are illegal. If there is a country which allows piracy, or don't care about the copy right laws, this is another thing.

[Guest]

Torrents are just a method of transferring files. You could do the same with email, www, ftp, usenet, p2p. What makes you single out torrents and think that they are illegal?

[MrJinje]

It all depends on the licensing in use. For instance Creative Commons licenses are very flexible and in many cases can allow for 100% legal redistribution.

There are even legal trackers that monitor and try to maintain only freely distributable torrents.

[iamtheky]

what does any of that have to do with obtaining digital copies of southpark legally, remember...the original question?

Ya'll should start a separate thread where you can all convince each other that the legal usage of the torrent protocol outweighs the non.

[jaclaz]

@martha

Some reference it's NOT so hidden:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(p...l)#Legal_issues

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_with_BitTorrent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_and_the_law

http://www.mininova.org/faq#legal

http://www.what-is-torrent.com/legality

http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Legal_torrent_sites

In other words:

you seem more like:

“A weapon which you don't have in your hand won't kill a snake”

I am more like:

Not the glittering weapon fights the fight, but rather the hero's heart.

jaclaz