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You might be able to install Debian GNU/Linux on it. Debian supports lots of different architectures. With LXDE or IceWM for the GUI the performance should be decent, and it will be a lot more secure and stable than Windows 98. Phil

Let's say someone wants to install only official updates using Auto-Patcher. In other words, exclude the unofficial patches and install everything else. Is that possible? Phil

Hello William, I understand your concerns. My suggestion is that you download all of the patches yourself, excluding any unofficial patches. Then burn them onto a CD (make several copies as an extra precaution). Since Windows 98 is no longer supported, you won't have to worry about downloading a bunch of updates for Windows 98 ever again. However, you may want to consider some of the unofficial updates, with the caveat that you understand what is in them and how they were created. Phil

Is there any reason why this program wouldn't run on Windows 98 SE? Phil

I trusted Windows Update to update a driver on my mother's computer once, and it messed up her computer. It installed an incorrect driver. Phil

Hi Fred, Thanks for providing additional info about this utility and the warning about not using NT4 on production systems. In my case, I am interested in running Windows NT Workstation 4.0 in a VM and maybe also on old, "junk" computers. In both cases, Windows NT will not be connected to a network, or will have very limited network access for specific purposes which do not include e-mail or web access. I was originally thinking of using Windows 98, probably slimmed down a little with 98lite, for particular applications where a "light" version of Windows is desirable. Then, a few months ago, I ran into a comment about how NT Workstation has excellent performance in a VM, and I realized that it might be a better choice than Win9x for what I want to do. Phil

cyberformer, I don't think you'll need modem drivers if want to set it up for DSL, as long as it's an external modem. You only need a driver for the Ethernet card. I am using Debian GNU/Linux with a Westell DSL modem, and I didn't need a driver for it. Although it came with a CD, I didn't need it at all. Phil

I was surprised to find this today. I searched the forums several months ago, looking for information on slipstreaming NT4, and totally missed it. I just searched the forums again and was also surprised to find no discussions about this utility. I guess I'm not the only person to have overlooked this. Has anyone tried it? Phil (Found it here: http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showto...st&p=745252 )

Thanks for the replies. I am not really interested in Auto-Patcher or unofficial service packs. I'd rather build my own "service pack" or update CD so I have total control over what goes into it. Phil

I have a copy of the Microsoft Windows Security Update CD from February 2004. Although it is now out-of-date, a few days ago I got the idea that perhaps the CD could be modified into order to make a new CD containing current patches. Here are the INF files for the part of the CD that updates Windows 98 SE: ; Copyright (c) 2003 Microsoft Corporation, All Rights Reserved. ; WSEsetup.INF ; This launches the install process for the Windows 98 SE Security Update CD [VERSION] AdvancedINF=2.5, %AdvPackWarn% signature=$CHICAGO$ [DefaultInstall] CustomDestination = CustomSourceLoc RunPostSetupCommands = UPD_INST AddReg = Upd.AddReg [CustomSourceLoc] 49700 = SrcDrv,17 [SrcDrv] HKLM,"SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup","QSSourcePath",, [UPD_INST] "%49700%%ComPath%\IE6SP1\ie6setup /c:""ie6wzd /S:""""#e"""" /q:c /r:n /x:1""" "%49700%%ComPath%\WMP\WMP9\MPSetup.exe /q:u /r:n /c:"""setup_wm.exe /Q /R:N"""" "runonce -q" [Upd.AddReg] ;entry to resume update installation HKLM,Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run,"Continuing Windows 98 SE Update.." ,,"rundll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %49700%%SEPath%\WSEresume.inf,DefaultInstall,2,N" [StepThruInstall] CustomDestination = CustomSourceLoc RunPostSetupCommands = UPD_INST_Step AddReg = Upd.AddReg.Step [UPD_INST_Step] "%49700%%ComPath%\IE6SP1\ie6setup /c:""ie6wzd /S:""""#e"""" /r:n /x:1""" "%49700%%ComPath%\WMP\WMP9\MPSetup.exe /r:n /c:"""setup_wm.exe /R:N"""" "runonce -q" [Upd.AddReg.Step] ;entry to resume update installation HKLM,Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run,"Continuing Windows 98 Update.." ,,"rundll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %49700%%SEPath%\WSEresume.inf,StepThruInstall,2,N" [Strings] ;Non-localizable 98Path = "content\win9x\win98" SEPath = "content\win9x\Win98SE" ComPath = "content\win9x\common" ;Localizable strings AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll." ; Copyright (c) 2003 Microsoft Corporation, All Rights Reserved. ; WSEresume.INF ; This resumes the install process for the Windows 98 SE Security Update CD [VERSION] AdvancedINF=2.5, %AdvPackWarn% signature=$CHICAGO$ [DefaultInstall] CustomDestination = CustomSourceLoc AddReg = Upd_Add_Reg DelReg = Upd.DelReg RunPostSetupCommands = UPD_INST_Post [CustomSourceLoc] 49700 = SrcDrv,17 [SrcDrv] HKLM,"SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup","QSSourcePath",, [UPD_INST_Post] "%49700%Content\Win9x\W9XSetup.exe /pm" RUNDLL32 URL.DLL,FileProtocolHandler %49700%%98Path%\docs\onreboot.hta %49700%%98Path%\updates\238453USA8.EXE /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\245729us8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\256015usa8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\259728usa8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\273727usa8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\314147usa8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\329048usa8.exe /q:a /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\249973usa8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\274548usa8.exe /q:a /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\323172usa8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\329115usa8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\811630usa8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\823559usa8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\273991USA8.EXE /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\314941USA8.exe /q:a /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\323255USA8.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\telnetup.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\q240308.exe /q:a /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\q313829.exe /q:a /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\q330994.exe /q:a /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\q828750.exe /q:a /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\js56men.exe /q:u /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\KB819639.exe /q:a /r:n RUNDLL32 URL.DLL,FileProtocolHandler %49700%%98Path%\docs\finalcomp.hta %49700%%ComPath%\directx9b\dx9_98.exe /q:a /r:n %49700%%ComPath%\mdac2_8\mdac_typ.exe /c:"""dasetup /qnt""" "runonce -q" [Upd_Add_Reg] ;entry to resume update installation HKLM,Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run,"Finishing Windows 98 SE Update.." ,,"rundll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %49700%%SEPath%\WSEfinish.inf,DefaultInstall,2,N" [Upd.DelReg] HKLM,Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run,"Continuing Windows 98 SE Update.." [StepThruInstall] CustomDestination = CustomSourceLoc AddReg = Upd_Add_Reg RunPostSetupCommands = UPD_INST_Step DelReg = Upd.DelReg [UPD_INST_Step] "%49700%Content\Win9x\W9XSetup.exe /pm" RUNDLL32 URL.DLL,FileProtocolHandler %49700%%98Path%\docs\onreboot.hta %49700%%98Path%\updates\238453USA8.EXE /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\245729us8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\256015usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\259728usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\273727usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\314147usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\329048usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\249973usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\274548usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\323172usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\329115usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\811630usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\823559usa8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\273991USA8.EXE /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\314941USA8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\323255USA8.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\telnetup.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\q240308.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\q313829.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\q330994.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\q828750.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\js56men.exe /r:n %49700%%98Path%\updates\KB819639.exe /r:n RUNDLL32 URL.DLL,FileProtocolHandler %49700%%98Path%\docs\finalcomp.hta %49700%%ComPath%\directx9b\dx9_98.exe /r:n %49700%%ComPath%\mdac2_8\mdac_typ.exe /c:"""dasetup /r:n""" "runonce -q" [Strings] ;Non-localizable 98Path = "content\win9x\win98" SEPath = "content\win9x\Win98SE" ComPath = "content\win9x\common" ;Localizable strings AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll." ; Copyright (c) 2003 Microsoft Corporation, All Rights Reserved. ; WSEfinish.INF ; This displays completion information for the install process for the Windows 98 SE Security Update CD [VERSION] AdvancedINF=2.5, %AdvPackWarn% signature=$CHICAGO$ [DefaultInstall] CustomDestination = CustomSourceLoc DelReg = Upd_Del_Reg AddReg = Upd_Add_Reg RunPostSetupCommands = UPD_INST_Post [CustomSourceLoc] 49700 = SrcDrv,17 [SrcDrv] HKLM,"SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup","QSSourcePath",, [UPD_INST_Post] RUNDLL32 URL.DLL,FileProtocolHandler %49700%%98Path%\docs\finish.hta "%49700%Content\Win9x\W9XSetup.exe /rp" [Upd_Add_Reg] HKLM,"Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion","SubVersionNumber",,"B" [Upd_Del_Reg] HKLM,Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run,"Finishing Windows 98 SE Update.." HKLM,"SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup","QSSourcePath" [Strings] ;Non-localizable 98Path = "content\win9x\win98" SEPath = "content\win9x\win98SE" ContentPath = "content" ;Localizable strings AdvPackWarn="You need a newer version of advpack.dll." A file called WSEFiles.txt was also found in the same directory as the above INF files: KB 238453: 11\VIP.386 KB 245729: 11\MSNET32.DLL KB 256015: 11\VMM32\IFSMGR.VXD KB 259728: 11\VIP.386 KB 273727: 11\NWLINK.VXD 11\VSERVER.VXD KB 314147: 25\SNMP.EXE 25\SNMPAPI.DLL KB 329048: 11\DUNZIP32.DLL 11\DZIP32.DLL 11\ZIPFLDR.DLL KB 249973: 11\RICHED32.DLL 11\RICHED20.DLL 11\USP10.DLL KB 274548: 32\Accessories\HyperTerminal\HTICONS.DLL 24\Program Files\Accessories\HyperTerminal\HTICONS.DLL 32\Accessories\HyperTerminal\HYPERTRM.DLL 24\Program Files\Accessories\HyperTerminal\HYPERTRM.DLL 32\Accessories\HyperTerminal\HYPERTRM.EXE 24\Program Files\Accessories\HyperTerminal\HYPERTRM.EXE KB 323172: 11\XENROLL.DLL KB 329115: 11\CRYPT32.DLL 11\CRYPTDLG.DLL 11\SCHANNEL.DLL 11\SOFTPUB.DLL KB 811630: 25\hh.exe 11\hhctrl.ocx 11\mui\0401\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0403\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0404\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0405\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0406\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0407\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0408\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0409\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\040A\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\040B\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\040C\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\040D\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\040E\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0410\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0411\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0412\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0413\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0414\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0415\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0416\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0419\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\041B\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\041D\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\041F\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0424\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\042D\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0804\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0816\hhctrlui.dll 11\hhsetup.dll 11\itircl.dll 11\itss.dll KB 823559: 33\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV\HTML32.CNV 24\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV\HTML32.CNV 33\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV\MSCONV97.DLL 24\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\TEXTCONV\MSCONV97.DLL KB 273991: 11\VSERVER.VXD KB 314941: 11\SSDPAPI.DLL 11\SSDPSRV.EXE 11\UPNP.DLL KB 323255: 25\hh.exe 11\hhctrl.ocx 11\mui\0401\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0403\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0404\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0405\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0406\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0407\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0408\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0409\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\040A\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\040B\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\040C\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\040D\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\040E\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0410\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0411\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0412\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0413\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0414\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0415\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0416\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0419\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\041B\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\041D\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\041F\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0424\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\042D\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0804\hhctrlui.dll 11\mui\0816\hhctrlui.dll 11\hhsetup.dll 11\itircl.dll 11\itss.dll KB 240163: 25\TELNET.EXE KB 313829: 11\SHELL32.DLL KB 330994: 11\msoert2.dll 11\msoeacct.dll 11\inetres.dll 11\inetcomm.dll 11\msident.dll 32\Outlook Express\msoeres.dll 24\Program Files\Outlook Express\msoeres.dll 32\Outlook Express\msoe.dll 24\Program Files\Outlook Express\msoe.dll 32\Outlook Express\oeimport.dll 24\Program Files\Outlook Express\oeimport.dll 32\Outlook Express\msimn.exe 24\Program Files\Outlook Express\msimn.exe 32\Outlook Express\oemig50.exe 24\Program Files\Outlook Express\oemig50.exe 32\Outlook Express\oemiglib.dll 24\Program Files\Outlook Express\oemiglib.dll 32\Outlook Express\wabimp.dll 24\Program Files\Outlook Express\wabimp.dll 32\Outlook Express\wabfind.dll 24\Program Files\Outlook Express\wabfind.dll 32\Outlook Express\wabmig.exe 24\Program Files\Outlook Express\wabmig.exe 32\Outlook Express\wab.exe 24\Program Files\Outlook Express\wab.exe 33\SYSTEM\directdb.dll 24\Program Files\Common Files\SYSTEM\directdb.dll 33\SYSTEM\wab32.dll 24\Program Files\Common Files\SYSTEM\wab32.dll KB 828750: 11\SHDOCVW.DLL 11\SHLWAPI.DLL 11\URLMON.DLL 11\MSHTML.DLL KB 814078: 11\JSCRIPT.DLL KB 819639: 11\WMP.DLL Does all of that make sense to anyone? I understand some of it, but not much. Mainly, I suspect that the files could be modified in order to make make a new, more up-to-date CD. I'm not 100% sure of that, though, and I'm also not sure it would be worth the trouble even if it is possible. So, does the idea have potential, or is there a simpler way to accomplish this? Phil

That download link is not working for me. Phil

There is also the free version of a-squared Anti-Malware: a-squared Free. Phil

Has this "slopstream" method been successfully applied to NT4? It would be great to be able to run a script and have it automatically merge the files, apply tweaks, etc. Phil

I believe that you will need to install IE 4 first, and then IE 5.5. However, I agree with the other comments that doing so is a bad idea. I recall reading that you could end with a memory leak. Be sure to make backups so you can restore your computer after the Win98 shell messes it up. Phil

I think you should post a message in the nLite forum and let us know exactly how you did that. Then others could look at it and maybe comment on how you could improve your method. Phil

NOTE: I just updated my original post (first message in thread) with new data. Phil

Here's a less expensive alternative to VMWare that you may want to try: Parallels Workstation for Windows & Linux Phil P.S. How does QEMU confuse you?

If all you did was format the drive, then there's a good chance you can get your data back. Whatever you do, though, do not write anything to that drive. Phil P.S. Will be back with more info later.

I don't know the answer to your specific question, but here's an article that you may find helpful: JSI Tip 3651. Why does Windows 2000 include Progman.exe? Phil

Out of curiosity, I recently performed a simple experiment on a Windows 98 SE system (266 MHz Pentium II, 64 MB of RAM). I tried three different shells and measured the amount of free RAM available right after booting. I ran no other programs other than the one to measure the free RAM. Results: Shell __________ Free RAM explorer.exe - 19,973,461 bytes blackbox.exe - 24,462,677 bytes liteshell.exe -- 25,888,085 bytes progman.exe - 33,464,320 bytes Note: The program blackbox.exe is from an installation of bblean that I had on the computer. Based on those results, I think that using progman.exe as the shell could be useful for situations in which one needs to install Windows on older computers that don't have much RAM. I am also thinking about using it myself for when I need to run Windows inside QEMU or VirtualBox to access a few Windows-specific programs. Although Progman is rather spartan compared to Explorer, I don't see that as a big problem if I normally only need to use a few Windows programs. Phil EDIT: Added liteshell.exe and updated all results to an average of three readings rather than just a single reading.

Thanks for the tip, though it didn't work. Apparently it requires some component from windows that I already removed in Nlite. I don't think it's a completely standalone program. Oh, that's too bad. I just had another idea. If you don't mind a retro, Windows 3.x look, you could try using progman.exe instead of explorer.exe. Be aware, though, that you have to get the file from a pre-SP2 version of Windows XP (according to what I read). The version of progman.exe from SP2 won't work (probably by design). To find the program, look in the i386 directory on the installation CD. Phil

Explorer - Emerge Desktop

I don't know if it would help you, but have you tried Emerge Desktop? Phil

I think you may find that the information on this page is helpful: http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/sitemap Phil

Hi eidenk. Are you also aware of any reliable 'cloaking' method(s) that would foil any such malicious attempts to identify a system (specifically 9x systems in this context)? What about Proxomitron? In addition to filtering web content, you can use Proxomitron to make it appear that you are using IE7 and Windows Vista (just one example), even though you're actually using Opera and Windows 98 SE. Phil