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  1. ... and to make it worse, it doesn't seem the profile can be moved.

    I *copied* (I suspected moving might be a bad idea) the old profile folder to the new location.

    Initially I got all the standard welcome new user stuff when opening MailNews.

    Now I get:

    image.png.cbef519852cba9ae841aae49f714efb3.png

    Ugh.... I'm an id*** now for upgrading these programs "just cause"... I really just wanted the updated New Moon for the nullish coalescsing/optional chaining support, not this whole can of worms. If there's no way to fix this, I literally have to spend 4 hours setting up my email and another 8-12 hours syncing it. Biggest headache ever.

     

    -

    Okay, looks like moving the *contents* of the profile folder as opposed to the profile folder, and overwriting all the default files, does work.

    The folder statistics had to rebuild, but at least no lasting damage appears to have been done - my email is back in business.

     

    Now I just need to figure out the New Moon stuff. I didn't have many customization to it, I can rebuild it if necessary and don't mind much, but it would be nice to be able to migrate the profile folder if that can be done.

  2. Okay, don't mean to go off on a rant here, but seriously, WHO CHANGES THE PROFILE LOCATION in MailNews?

    I've upgraded MailNews before, usually a couple times before, along with New Moon, and it's all gone well before using my auto install scripts, since it upgrades the application.

    However, it now appears to be looking in %userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\OpenSource\MailNews instead of %userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Binary Outcast\Interlink\Profiles

    This is a *HUGE* break in compatibility and a divergence from the previously offered backwards compatibility.

    Sorry if I missed some announcement about this or something, but this is a huge change that is bound to mess up the entire userbase. I have 11 email accounts and 8 GB of email, it literally takes 3 hours to get the email accounts setup properly in MailNews. (Modern TB, to give it credit where credit is due, is way way faster, maybe less than half an hour. Interlink still uses the obsolete conception of separate IMAP and SMTP servers for who the heck knows why, which makes configuration of Interlink/MailNews a total PITA)

    And it seems the same thing has happened with New Moon as well - EVERYTHING is gone, and I can't even locate where the new profile folder is yet to move stuff from the old one to the new.

    Okay, sorry, </rant>, but this definitely made for a grumpy morning and in the future - please, please - such ABI changes should really be avoided unless absolutely necessary, this seems like it wasn't to me, changing Binary Outcast\Interlink to OpenSource\MailNews. At least now that it's happened, hopefully it won't change again.

    On a different note, much thanks as always for your continued development on these awesome forks, hope they will continue to be around for a long time! :)
     

    But also serious question - WHERE did the New Moon profile folder move to??? I can't find it.

  3. 2 minutes ago, VistaLover said:

    Without me sounding pessimistic, any effort in 2022 targeting Chrome 49, for the benefit of XP/Vista users, is a futile one...

    Chrome 49 is extremely outdated by today's WebCompat standards, not to mention security wise (has more holes than Swiss cheese...)

    That's true, I would never use it myself.

    New Moon on Windows 2000 can do TLS 1.3, I'd have no reason to use Chromium on an older system.

    2 minutes ago, VistaLover said:

    It practically unsupported by Google store, as it only supports CRX1 extensions, when even CRX2 ones are en mass being phased iut in 2022 (and would be fully deprecated in 2023); I keep a copy of it myself, and I can tell you it's a "dead man walking"...
    Under XP, you would definitely need to couple it with a TLS 1.2/1/3 secure proxy to access most of today's sites, but rendering is dire...

    Supported by the Google store is irrelevant, since the entire Google store is irrelevant to old Chrome as it is. chromefill is manifest v2 which is no longer accepting new ones anyways.

    It's a fact of Google that you are on your own at this point and if you want to make an extension targeting old browsers, it will NEVER be in the store and you'll have to upload it manually from source using developer mode.

    Does make me think: we should probably save all the important Manifest v2 Chrome extensions locally before they're removed from the Chrome Web store. Or at least, be able to get them locally from source, e.g. uBlock Origin

    2 minutes ago, VistaLover said:

    If you intend to bridge all the missing Web APIs introduced after Ch49 (to, say, chrome 70 stage) via polyfills, that would be a pharaonic task, if at all feasible... But be my guest, of course...

    With just GitHub in mind, they provide a facility/wizard with which one can inspect all MISSING Web APIs in the client for it to fully support their latest GitHub incarnation:

    https://github.github.com/browser-support/

    Currently latest St52 has as missing (in RED) only customElements and RegExp Named Capture Groups, so support for these has currently to be implemented via an extension (i.e. palefill); I fear that wizard, if at all rendered in Chrome 49, would have many RED entries...

    And for me, only NC and OC are red :realmad:

    2 minutes ago, VistaLover said:

    Using the wizard with declining Chrome versions (starting at v69 and going down by one major version), you can test which minimum version is currently supported by the extension as-is and then decide how "low" in the Chrome versions you want/is feasible to extend support to (on the availability of polyfills for the missing APIs as you go down the range...).

    Right, and maybe 49 is a bit too low but I think the 60s are quite doable.

  4. Just now, VistaLover said:

    ChromeFill isn't intended for such an old a Chromium version, unfortunately... :(

    BTW, and this has been discussed quite a few times in the MSFN forums, be it in the past, Advanced Chrome wasn't essentially based on Chrome 54; much of it is in essence Chromium 48 based, with only traces of code borrowed from Ch49/52/54...

    @InterLinked should have been more verbose in his README.md and/or enforce a minimum Chrome version in his extension's manifest.json, so as not to create false expectations...
    I haven't tested fully all the range of Chrome versions in which the extension successfully restores GitHub and other supported sites, but as an educated guess I'd claim that anything under Chrome 68(-ish) is unsupported...

    As I stated already, ChromeFill for XP/Vista users currently only targets 3360EEv11/12...

    Ideally, I would like for the extension to support those versions that might not work now, such as between 48 and 68. I use 70 since that's the last usable version, but obviously folks on Vista are older will be on 49, and other folks may be on other versions inbetween.

    The reality is though that I don't have the ability to test all these different versions for breakage, so it's up to the community to report any issues on the issue tracker, otherwise I simply don't know about them. I have tried to keep up with reported issues that way to add polyfills where needed.

    So officially it should support all of these versions and if it doesn't, that's a bug that would be great if folks could report.

  5. 1 minute ago, AstroSkipper said:

    I've already tested the ChromeFill 0.1 extension in Advanced Chrome (CH54-based), and unfortunately, GitHub doesn't work properly. I couldn't note any differences with or without ChromeFill. The account menu is completely broken, and pop-up boxes, too. :( In 360EEv11, no need to add a Polyfill extension at the moment. All functions I need to use are working. :)

    What errors show up in the developer console when you do this?

    I only test on version 70, so it's entirely possible that there are things supported by my browser that aren't by yours (introduced between 54 and 69).

  6. 8 minutes ago, VistaLover said:

    For GitHub exclusively, you may want to have a look at
    https://github.com/martok/palefill/issues/29#issuecomment-1186046465
    and
    https://github.com/dirkf/palefill/commits/df-optchain-patch
    https://github.com/dirkf/palefill/releases/tag/v1.19df

    The dev(s) use simple transpiling JS code for just those two operators, nothing more (the rest can be handled by polyfills, like already done in your extension). You might have to ask kindly though ;), because the dev(s) are primarily concerned with SM 2.53.12 and/or PM < 31 support... :(

    That's probably a lot better than Babel, yes!

    You can filter by using data-plugins it seems, but I'm not noticing any performance difference. It still takes about 15 seconds to run on GitHub.

    The code seems simple enough, but I'm not a great JS dev, nor I am super familiar with modifying JS via Chrome extensions, so it'll probably be a fair amount of hacking to try to figure out how to kludge that in.

    8 minutes ago, VistaLover said:

    Target groups for a "fixed" GitHub via your extension, ChromeFill, would be most XP+Vista users on low-end HW, currently using 360EEv11 (Ch69-based) and/or 360EEv12 (Ch78-based) ...

    I dunno, target group is ANYONE to me using a non-screwed UI Chromium version.

    I use Chromium 70 on Windows 7 and Windows 10. OS and hardware are completely irrelevant. This extension is necessary to get Chromium to work properly on the web these days (and the NC/OC support is unfortunately an almost-must-have at this point).

    8 minutes ago, VistaLover said:

    I would have been quite taken aback, had they actually done anything... GitHub's fate is under Microsoft's rule for years now, they're currently focused on their latest crapware/adware Windows 11 OS, together with their illicit lovechild, Microsoft Edge (the "fruit" of them having intercourse with Google :angry: ...); I'm confident they don't give a rat's a** about Net Neutrality or have any iota of intention to support those marginal "few" still on browser-engines not compatible with the evil operators (already implemented in Chrome 80...); BTW, I did "upvote" your - currently still "unanswered" - GH community issue; 3 weeks have now gone by, it's quite telling that no official GH dev will act on it... :realmad:

    Yup, truly horrible. Shows how much they really care about "open source" and "projects"... when they don't even practice what they preach.

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  7. On 3/24/2022 at 12:35 AM, xrayer said:

    Well, so the problem of RB is they use too new JS syntax that is not supported by old browsers. How Polyfill Addon can help with it? It doesn't work with Seamonkey but can be installed in MyPal. Or could be helpful Grasemonkey plugin to inject/patch some code?

    Is there any chance to implement newer JS interpretter into some XP browser?

    I've finally been able to incorporate automatic transpiling into my extension for Chromium browsers, so a lot of sites theoretically might be unbroken by this.

    GitHub for example now works fully again on my system. However, there are some caveats, crossposting:

    Good news and bad news.

    Bad news: GitHub still has done diddly squat about their use of the evil operators. Thanks to those who have given this a thumbs up, I  think personal comments explaining how this has impacted YOU (or how you feel about it) would also be good: https://github.com/community/community/discussions/20973

    Good news: I have managed to incorporate automatic transpiling capabilities into the Chromefill extension. This means that GitHub now works fully again in old versions of Chromium. See https://github.com/InterLinked1/chromefill

    More bad news: Unfortunately, this is not an elegant solution and probably never will be. Transpiling is SLOW. Reeaaaaaaalllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyy sssssssssslllllllllllllooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwww. It takes about 15 seconds to fully transpile GitHub with all the garbage that they use on their site, and this is blocking. Transpiling is also very CPU and memory intensive (think compiling, essentially). It's also page blocking, so you can't interact with it and transpiling is done. In the case of GitHub, since it's mostly a single page app, that actually means you only need to do it once per tab and afterwards everything just works for your browsing session, but still, not pretty.

    Sites that don't use JavaScript or use minimal JavaScript don't really see any impact. It's only very bloated sites with hundreds of thousands of lines of JavaScript like GitHub that see a significant performance issue.

    I think it could be sped up if we could incorporate a transpiler that only focused on these two syntax issues rather than everything, but I'm not sure if such a thing exists.

    I repeat, this is not really a solution, it's more of a hacky last resort that can force things to work when sites like GitHub behave idiotically and moronically and refuse to do the right thing.

    That said, if this functionality is useful, by all means go for it.

    Because of the impact this can have on a site, this functionality is not enabled by default in the extension, it has to be whitelisted per domain. Currently, only github.com is on the list, because that's the only site I use that has this issue. If there are others, feel free to let me know or submit a PR to add it to the list. The goal is to not enable that functionality unless it's actually necessary for a site to work properly.

    Anyways, happy browsing, if you do use this, let me know how it works out for you.

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  8. All right, everyone.

    Good news and bad news.

    Bad news: GitHub still has done diddly squat about their use of the evil operators. Thanks to those who have given this a thumbs up, I  think personal comments explaining how this has impacted YOU (or how you feel about it) would also be good: https://github.com/community/community/discussions/20973

    Good news: I have managed to incorporate automatic transpiling capabilities into the Chromefill extension. This means that GitHub now works fully again in old versions of Chromium. See https://github.com/InterLinked1/chromefill

    More bad news: Unfortunately, this is not an elegant solution and probably never will be. Transpiling is SLOW. Reeaaaaaaalllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyy sssssssssslllllllllllllooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwww. It takes about 15 seconds to fully transpile GitHub with all the garbage that they use on their site, and this is blocking. Transpiling is also very CPU and memory intensive (think compiling, essentially). It's also page blocking, so you can't interact with it and transpiling is done. In the case of GitHub, since it's mostly a single page app, that actually means you only need to do it once per tab and afterwards everything just works for your browsing session, but still, not pretty.

    Sites that don't use JavaScript or use minimal JavaScript don't really see any impact. It's only very bloated sites with hundreds of thousands of lines of JavaScript like GitHub that see a significant performance issue.

    I think it could be sped up if we could incorporate a transpiler that only focused on these two syntax issues rather than everything, but I'm not sure if such a thing exists.

    I repeat, this is not really a solution, it's more of a hacky last resort that can force things to work when sites like GitHub behave idiotically and moronically and refuse to do the right thing.

    That said, if this functionality is useful, by all means go for it.

    Because of the impact this can have on a site, this functionality is not enabled by default in the extension, it has to be whitelisted per domain. Currently, only github.com is on the list, because that's the only site I use that has this issue. If there are others, feel free to let me know or submit a PR to add it to the list. The goal is to not enable that functionality unless it's actually necessary for a site to work properly.

    Anyways, happy browsing, if you do use this, let me know how it works out for you.

  9. 26 minutes ago, dmiranda said:

    It would make sense. W7 was the last non-spyware (if well set up) version of MS. W8 already was banned for governmental use in GE among others, I reckon. Many will resist (or be prevented from) "upgrading" from W7 and move to linux if support is not extended.

    Yup...

    But don't let MS tell you what OS to use. Support is a benefit, but not a requirement.

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  10. 9 hours ago, dextyckroms said:

    Microsoft maded avalaible for Windows 7 ESU year 4, 5 and 6. Chrome ends support for this OS in January 2023 maybe you could be interrest in modify a Chrome browser in the future like catsxp or similar

    Where did you find out about a year 4-6 for W7 ESU? I don't see anything about that anywhere. AFAIK, there are only 3 years, ending Jan 2023

  11. 1 hour ago, DrunkenTanker said:

    I suppose that to leave Github is the best way. I have lost too much time.
    It they want to make experiments then without me. I'll move to more constant system.

    Well, **tell them that** in that case. A boycott that they don't hear about has no effect!

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  12. The reason GitHub doesn't work anymore as of the past few weeks is because of nullish coalescing and optional chaining. Unlike everything else, these can't be polyfilled which is why they are a disaster for the WWW. See the bottom of the README for more details: https://github.com/InterLinked1/chromefill (also https://blog.interlinked.us/69/nullish-coalescing-and-optional-chaining)

    The maddening thing is that GitHub tried this before briefly, realized there was massive breakage, and then went ahead and reverted it. They apologized and said they would not do it again. They actually did the right thing! That was several months ago, earlier this year.

    Then, without warning, they went ahead and deployed it again, which means **they lied to us** and actively decided to screw us with operators that serve no legitimate purpose in the first place. Their justification is that it allows for a size reduction which increases performances (you know, since you save a character each time you use it). I call BS. The website isn't performant at all if **it doesn't freaking work**!

    Basically, GitHub seems to have decided that it the small gain in bandwidth reduction (for files that are generally cached anyways) is more important than breaking compatibility with literally most of the web browsers in existence, those that aren't by "the big 3" from the past year or two.

    I highly urge everyone to take a minute and file a GitHub support ticket. They do read tickets and do engage with people, and they need to be aware that this is not acceptable. Even if you don't actively use GitHub, it still helps as if we lose GitHub, then that is a big loss for open source, diverse browsers in general.

    You can submit a ticket here: https://support.github.com/contact

    You don't have to write essays to them like I have - just take 2 minutes letting them know how this has impacted you and how you feel about and how GitHub has let you down by doing this.

  13. 3 hours ago, Caporeira said:

    Hi,is there a possible to download Windows 2000 bootable image included new drivers ?

    I have PC with Gigabyte GA-P55A-UD3 and I'm getting blue screen with 0x0000007B error code, when I trying install W2k.

    Probable some driver are needed.

    I think it's against TOS to distribute modified ISOs here.

    However, you should be able to make one yourself somewhat easily.

    Have you followed the steps here? https://w2k.phreaknet.org/guide

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  14. 1 minute ago, VistaLover said:

    ... On June 26th/27th, bloody Microsoft :realmad: devs unleashed a set of newer-JS-syntax-containing GitHub scripts; "new" JS features included the dreaded Optional Chaining ("?.") and Nullish Coalescing ("??") operators, that can't be polyfilled :((but, perhaps, could be transpiled...).

    Fortunately for "us", very recent UXP-based roytam1 forks (e.g., I use myself St52 and, occasionally, NM28) have these two operators natively supported, thanks to the efforts of an "upstream" dev! :thumbup; of course, you need either the github-wc-polyfill (v1.2.19) or palefill (v1.14) extension in order for GitHub to be usable in UXP-based browsers, but, all things considered, latest Serpent 52.9.0 (and, probably, latest NM 28.10.6a1) survived these most recent GitHub changes practically unscathed... :thumbup

    Goes without saying that in browsers lacking such support (older UXP-based builds, Chromium forks based on Ch<80 - yes, these include both 360EEv11/v12 :( ), GitHub is basically now BROKEN (you can simply browse GitHub pages, but you can't do many "useful" things on them :no: ...).

    And here comes Serpent 55.0.0 :rolleyes:; after the recent "sync" with UXP (thanks roytam1), and for a brief period of several weeks, GitHub was fully functional in St55, provided, of course, gh-wc-polyfill/palefill had been force-installed there (neither of these two extensions cater "officially" for the moebius fork...).

    AIUI, latest St55 [v55.0.0 (2022-06-22) (32-bit)] should have native support for both "?."+"??" operators, backported from UXP; however, after the recent GH changes, I find that GH is no longer usable there :( :realmad: ; I have gh-wc-pf_v1.2.19 force-installed and many GH pages do work as expected, but other pages cause the browser to fully crash :( ; example is the main repo page of any GH project, e.g. 

    https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock

    zeQwm2g.jpg

    https://github.com/JustOff/github-wc-polyfill

    etc., the issue tracker of a project will also, often, produce a crash and, last-but-not-least, trying to access your GH account via your avatar (top right) will ALWAYS result in a full-blown browser crash... :realmad:

    @roytam1 : Please, can you reproduce at your end? :dubbio:
    Given that latest St52 doesn't suffer from this, does this mean you need to transfer more UXP "stuff" to moebius for GH to work, or is that no longer possible?

    As I've posted in the past, GitHub is a site I use many times daily, I already lament the loss of proper support in 360EEv11/v12, I thought St55 would've been my third option besides St52+360EEv13, only to sadly find it, too, has been broken by Microsoft... :(

    Personally I noticed this almost immediately as I use GitHub quite regularly.

    It was broken on Monday, working for a brief period of time yesterday, and broken again today.

     

    I have contacted support before in the past and gotten them to revert the changes in the past. They also said they would not do this (the ?? and ?. operators) so now they've lied.

     

    Please *DO* file support tickets and complain about this BUG since they have broken the website and made it inaccessible. It violates the spirit of their platform and they need to hear from a lot of people. **They do actually listen** but they DO need to hear from you! Please take a minute and file a bug report now. It will only take a minute and they will hopefully put a system in place to ensure this is reverted and does not happen again if enough people complain.

  15. 11 minutes ago, XPerceniol said:

    Never owned a smart phone and don't want one, but I do have a dumb phone because it was too costly to justify them getting me a land line phone.

    Then go VoIP. It's cheaper than both.

    Point is to use a landline PHONE and the actual service can be VoIP or true POTS, etc.

    Then again, I'm a VoIP/telephone engineer in my spare time so I have to remember it's not as simple for everyone ;)

    11 minutes ago, XPerceniol said:

    Have you beat - both my PCs are going on 18 years old but my main monitor is only 10 years old. My Old Dell that came with my old Dell Dimension 3000 still works but causes massive headaches.

    In my case, all the equipment was free anyways, so it was either use such a PC or watch it be recycled...

    11 minutes ago, XPerceniol said:

    I've never owned a car and I can't imagine how people afford to drive, one of the guys that pick me up says a full tank lasts for only 1 week, but he drives all over. I walk, but not as much as I should be. Hard to explain, phobia(s).

    Right now I live in the city, so yeah, no car. In a few years I'll probably move somewhere more rural and then I'll "need" a car, but for now I don't so no point in having one.

    11 minutes ago, XPerceniol said:

    I guess its just sad that this is not the country my dearly departed father hoped it would be. I'm glad I don't have spawn (hehe) as I worry about the state the world will be in when I'm cremated.

    Yeah, kind of the same myself...

    11 minutes ago, XPerceniol said:

    I (personally) find the whole funeral thing and religious crap extremely offensive - people are there at the end crying over the coffin when where the heck were they throughout their life when that person really needed them.

    I"ll haunt anybody that does that =P. Actually, I'm so isolated that nobody would even know if I dropped off the face of the planet tomorrow, and I prefer it that way. Wouldn't even be in the paper ... "poor troubled soul was he" .... hurl. 

     

     

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  16. 2 minutes ago, cc333 said:

    I'm tired and depressed after yet another day of observing humanity's ineptitude and people's utter lack of concern for each other, so I won't go on much....

    Re: EV vs. ICE:  I don't know.  I think maybe EVs ultimately aren't a terrible idea,

    Don't be fooled, even for an instance. They are a terrible idea. Environmentalists should not settle for the "lesser" (if it is that) of two huge evils. There is a third, better way.

    2 minutes ago, cc333 said:

    but I agree wholeheartedly with many comments here that the available options leave much to be desired, create needless complications, and simply manufacturing them and their components (the plastics, the metals, and, most notably, the batteries) actually creates almost as much damage to the environment than driving around a 20+ year old gas/petrol powered car.

    I'm a little bit more positive about it, in that I don't think it's 100% about milking more money out of people, but I do believe that the current push, at least over here in California, USA, is severely misguided at best, because we have an old, outdated electric grid that isn't equipped to supply the kind of power output that several tens of millions of EVs would need, except perhaps in the major cities.  What about all the people living in rural areas, though? 

    Yup, exactly. And consider how toxic most urban areas are these days, most environmentalists live in or are relocating to rural areas.

    2 minutes ago, cc333 said:

    Where I am now, every third car is an EV of some type, and those who own them have the money to not only buy the car, but to also upgrade their homes with a proper charging solution.  Attempting to drive an EV in a mountainous rural area, while doable, isn't practical or financially sustainable by most;  therefore, I don't think it's wise to force everyone to adopt them right now.

    In time, my hope is that the technology will improve, new methods of manufacturing will be invented that reduce the environmental impact, and the electric grid will be upgraded and rebuilt, but with all the political inertia and red tape, it's gonna take decades at best for all of these things to happen, and nobody seems to care.  Hopefully when nuclear fusion power gets invented, things will improve.

    These are the bright green lies society is banking on: that in the future, we'll have better technologies that will make the problem disappear. The problem is *that's not going to happen*, it's not physically feasible, and all of this is destroying the planet *right now*.

    2 minutes ago, cc333 said:

    And now for electronics.

    Take cellular/mobile phones, for example.

    I like my iPhones, but it's gotten to a point now where every phone on the market is some kind of Apple (iOS) or Google (Android) based flat slab of glass or plastic with cameras galore.  For years, I haven't really cared about the latest and greatest, preferring instead to use older phones, and to keep using them for longer than the average person might (we used TracFone (a US prepaid service) with a 2G phone until late 2013 or so, LONG after most everyone else I knew switched to an iPhone), because why upgrade if it still works?  I mean, the main purpose is to

    I'd keep using my old Nokia 5190 or Motorola StarTAC indefinitely if I could, but as the 2G and 3G signals get shut down over here in the US, the situation is becoming increasingly bleak and depressing, because pretty soon, only brand new smartphones will work.

    Ditch your "smart" or "dumb" phone altogether, and get a real phone. My 1957 Western Electric 500 blows your phone out of the water any day. Or any other phone manufactured by Western Electric before Divestiture.

     

    2 minutes ago, cc333 said:

    The carriers all say they need to maximize capacity for the new hotness they call 5G, but I just don't buy it. 

    5G is an environmental disaster. It's going to significantly increase carbon emissions and compromise any current targets for carbon neutrality. It's yet another we don't need that is bad for the environment on multiple fronts.

    2 minutes ago, cc333 said:

    4G was plenty fast for my needs (I mean, even 3G is good enough for what I want to do;  2G is pushing it, but even that's still OK for the occasional email or something), so why do we need to keep making things faster?  Did anybody actually ask for it?  I didn't.

    And don't get me started on all this SaaS rentware garbage.  And cryptographically locking down all aspects of the hardware architecture that rentware runs on is just wrong.  I don't want to pay $1000 or more for a computer, only to be locked out by the manufacturer a year later when they decide to stop supplying OS updates because it's "too old".  And when they inevitably say that the newer OS is safer, I cringe, because while there can be some genuine risks in high security settings, I feel that the average user need not care too much, as long as they practice good browsing habits and the software in question is updated enough to work with modern standards (I consider Windows XP to be the practical minimum here, with 7 being my preferred recommendation for those who aren't quite as technically minded, because XP requires a lot of hoop-jumping nowadays, whereas Windows 7, provided the hardware is compatible, still more or less works out of the box once updated a bit (and Spectre/Meltdown mitigations are disabled, because I think the danger of exploitation is mostly theoretical (and requires direct access to the hardware, if I'm remembering correctly), and thus in practice poses relatively little risk to the average home user).  I developed a soft spot for Windows 8.1, because I could make it work and look mostly like 7 with some minor tweaks, but I avoid 10 like the plague because I don't like it.  11 is worse in this regard, and has rendered 100% of my hardware (some of which I've paid thousands of dollars for over the years) obsolete.

    I'm with you there. Windows 7 is my main OS, and I'll continue running it on hardware from around 2010 for a very long time. (Lots of it being recycled so I have ready access to it)

    2 minutes ago, cc333 said:

    Anyway, I guess I went on longer than I thought.  Oh, well.

    Maybe someone, somewhere, sometime will invent a time machine that we can all use to go back in time to a point when the world as we know it seemed like a better place (for all its turmoil, I find that the bulk of the 20th century seems like a happier time than the 21st century has so far turned out to be (of course, looking back through modern history, few periods have been quite as thoroughly miserable as the past ten to twenty years have been).

    You can do this if you don't want.

    I don't have a cell phone or any other low-quality, high environmental impact consumerist crap technologies. I only use landline phones (mostly Western Electric, which is the gold standard as far as phones go). I've got an early 2000s Canon point and shoot camera that works great. I've got everything I want and need, and it works better than all the crap that everyone else is taking on debt to buy.

    My PC and monitors are all 12 years old.

    I don't have a car yet, but when I get one, you can bet it won't be newer than 40 years old.

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  17. 3 hours ago, UCyborg said:

    Expensive gas -> expensive everything else

    A big downvote from me! :thumbdown

     

    That's kind of the point... stop the real killer of the planet and cause of climate change... rampant consumerism, waste, and excess.

    Throwing a wrench in the economy is an easy way to reduce environmental impact quickly.

  18. 45 minutes ago, UCyborg said:

    EU is talking about forbidding of sales of cars with classic gasoline engines.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/09/goodbye-gasoline-cars-eu-lawmakers-vote-to-ban-new-sales-from-2035.html

    Great, they've now jumped on the "gasoline is evil" bandwagon....

    Exactly what I would expect these rich out of touch lawmakers to do. If they really wanted to make a difference, maybe they would ban the sale of new cars or heavily tax driving any car. But no, they just push subsidies for certain environmental atrocities while condemning others. At the end of the day, the earth loses either way.

    Personally, I'd rather see gas stay at $5 per gallon than a complete ban on gas vehicles. For them, it's about having their cake (pretending to make a difference) and eating it too (enjoying the benefits of car culture)...

  19. 6 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

    "amy" (the creator of Proxomitron Reborn) was going to look into "spoofing" the 'fingerprint' that Cloudfare uses but that was several months ago and I've never heard any status so I can only assume the project died before it even left the ground.

    Hmm... so apparently this is why I can't access any sites on medium.com

    For about a year now, I get their "1020 Access Restricted" - owner may have blocked you blah blah

     

    Spoof user agent from Iron 70 to Chrome 98 and boom, now it works.

    The people who run medium.com are total freaking retards, there is no other logical or plausible explanation.

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  20. 4 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

    So far, the answer has been that the end-user will have to do this manually for each and every web site that said end-user wishes to restore functionality.

    The best example thus far has been one by @UCyborg here  --  https://msfn.org/board/topic/183484-polyfill-whats-all-this-then/?do=findComment&comment=1216216

    I have personally not been able to repeat this on an American Water web site but I haven't fully given up yet.

    It is not a trivial process, the average end-user will not have the patience to do this manual process for every web site they encounter.

    I also am attempting via chromefill whereas UCyborg was successful only via palefill. (I have not been able to get American Water to work with non-polyfill NM28 with palefill.)

     

    That was actually the idea that I had suggested / been thinking about a few weeks ago... chromefill applies polyfill automatically, why not run it through something like Babel to transpile it from newer syntax to older "vanilla" JS syntax on the fly?

    It just seems there isn't a tool for that *now* but we could make one, and clearly it does work if done manually. Great work and good to see! The challenge will be automating it.

     

    4 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

    UCyborg's process is fairly easy to follow, once you narrow down the problematic script (his test site only has two, American Water's test site has over 200 scripts).

    He narrowed the "??" issue down to this script  --  https://docs.microsoft.com/_themes/docs.theme/master/en-us/_themes/scripts/d48a1159.index-docs.js

    If you open that script and paste the contents into Notepad++ and do a search for "??" (without the quotes), you will find 34 hits.

    Now open this web site ( https://babeljs.io/repl ) and paste the script contents into the left pane (center pane if you include the far left settings pane, keep all of them at their defaults) of Babel.

    Give it a few seconds and the translated script will appear in the right column.

    Copy and paste the right column into a new tab in Notepad++.

    Now do a search for "??" (without the quotes) for the new script - you will now have 0 hits.

     

    So "all of that" was required in order to "magically" convert the polyfill "??" to something that will work in a non-polyfill web browser.

    But you still need to add palefill or chromefill extension depending on Mozilla or Chromium based browser.

     

    Ideally, something like this would be part of one of those extensions.

    I would add it to chromefill myself in a second, if only I knew how. I don't think there's any way to do transpiling on the fly automatically.

    Alternately, perhaps if there is some JavaScript based Babel transpiling to convert the syntax, that could be part of the extension and all the JS could be run through that...

     

    4 minutes ago, NotHereToPlayGames said:

    And you still need Proxomitron Reborn to have your web browser replace the original script with the converted script.

     

    Problem there is going to be this - very few folks here at MSFN seem to be interested in Proxomitron Reborn (I've used it since 2004 (the original, the Reborn is not that old) and I still don't fully understand "everything" that it is capable of doing!).

     

  21. Just now, NotHereToPlayGames said:

    Totally Cool !!!  I thought I was the only one!  I don't have a landline or a cell phone!  Haven't since 2001.

    No cell "phone" here either.. though I think the term "mobile" is better since they are an insult to telephony.

    On the other hand, I have about 10 phones of varying vintages within arm's reach, so I guess I still have a phone problem :(

    In my defense, I do a lot of testing, and that's actually what I'm doing right now, speak of the devil...

  22. 5 minutes ago, UCyborg said:

    How do you people feel about DST? I've read USA is going permanent DST while Europe will continue to change clocks at least until 2026. Initially, it was supposed to end by 2021 or so, but I didn't catch what time would end up permanent.

    I think either two options above are bul***** and vote for permanent standard time. Daylight Stupid Time belongs in the history books.

    I agree. Permanent Standard Time. I'm a morning person and I prefer the "real" time.

    I know some people who refuse to observe DST and they basically live in their own time zone during DST...

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