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  1. Started tuning in this morning, less because I was excited about, but just to see if Windows 11 could be any more awful than Windows 10.

    I didn't think it was possible, but Microsoft has just proven me wrong again. Just when I thought things couldn't get worse.

    Seriously, Windows 11 looks like the garbage popularly known as "Mac OS".

    Panos can talk for hours about how "Windows should feel like home, familiar" and I'll say "Heck yeah, so I'll stick with my Windows 7, thank you very much."

    I'm 120% sure that all these Microsoft execs from 2012 on are ex-Apple employees there just to drive their products into the ground.

  2. 6 minutes ago, Tripredacus said:

    There is no point to raise gas prices on the consumer alone in order for them to stop using gas, when there is no current alternative for many applications. You think too small if you are only thinking of people driving in cars and going to work or on vacation or whatever. Think about the immediate impact it would have onto the economy, specifically in the supply chain and service industries. If you think the situation is bad in the world now, doubling gas prices would compound that.

    Well, at this point, the economy is part of the problem. There is no economic incentive to get stuff locally when possible when we get all this cheap crap from China all the time, shipped halfway across the world, destroying the oceans and marine life. Rasing gasoline would reverse that, and force all sectors of the economy to shift incentives towards local production.

  3. 37 minutes ago, ArcticFoxie said:

    I have often proposed a solution that I believe very STRONGLY WILL work.

    The KEY is consumption, CONSUMPTION, CONSUMPTION !!!

    And how do we CURB it?

    I personally think there is an EASY solution.

    According to https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/ - the National Average gas price (using the USA as a reference) is $3.035 as of 5/26/21.

    The solution - DOUBLE IT !!!

    People won't drive so much if the price were DOUBLED !!!

    You'll think twice about driving to SIX different grocery stores in ONE day when you CAN get everything at ONE, albeit not your favorite "brand" or whatnot.

     

    Drop-dead serious, DOUBLE IT !!!

     

    Yeah, politically, it would never work, because no politician has the guts to do that, but that's what we need to do. And tax electricity too in equal proportions, because electric vehicles are no more innocent. Nothing comes for free, nothing.

    People think it's okay to consume all these resources like water, because they will always be there (and even water won't).

     

    I have a bunch of phones here, the two main ones on my desk are from 1957 and sometime in the 60s (the date on the second one says it was refurbished in 1992). I have other phones from the 70s and 80s as well.

    All of them work perfectly, much better than the plastic junk people have to pay $1000 for every three years to keep "upgrading" to the next "phone" that sounds awful as hell.

     

    My stereo, which has tape/CD/aux/AM/FM all in one, is 22 years old, somewhere around there. It's starting to show its age in that the buttons on the unit don't work so well (I always use the remote), and the CD player's starting to skip, but I mostly keep it on radio, and it works great. Wouldn't have it any other way.

    I have two monitors on my desk, the smaller secondary one is an early LCD monitor that's also around 20 years old. It had flickering problems for a while but after a few years in the basement, with brightness all the way down, it works reasonably well. It works, what am I going to do, trash it? No, works fine, I'll keep using it until the pixels fall out.

     

    Got an electronic piano with a floppy disk reader in it, dates to 2003 - again, 19 years old now. But it works perfectly fine, except the E key below middle C has been stuck now for the past half year. But otherwise, works great, what should I do, get another piano we don't need?

     

    Got an MP3 player that has 128 MB of storage and who know's how old it is. Like a lot of my electronics, it's hand me down - literally. But I only use it when travelling, and it can play enough hours to make it all the way through one cycle, so it's all I need. Why would I replace it?

     

    Sometimes, it seems like GDP is a better measure of environmental destruction than progress.

  4. 23 minutes ago, Tripredacus said:

    The impact a consumer makes is nothing to the manufacturer. Even if a person decides to not buy a certain type of car, or even if enough people decide, the industry could take years to adjust and stop manufacturing something. So the environmental impact from manufacturing is not something the consumer has any control over. And besides, the manufacturer already had made that car that is on the lot, the impact of its creation already occurred.

    And the one thing that the politicians do not take into account, when they make these laws (or want to or are trying to) regarding cars and the environment... such as changing of emission standard or saying that gas powered cars can't be made after 2030 or whatever, is the fact that we will just be replacing one environmental issue with another. Not having cars run on gasoline means that cars will run on electricity and that is the big push right now. We already know that creating electricity damages the environment no matter how it is produced although perhaps it could be argued that hydroelectric is the cleanest. Windmills and Solar have their own issues but they are different environmental issues than coal plants. Nuclear sounds great unless something goes wrong then we have to wait 10,000+ years because we haven't figured out how to properly handle the waste or deal with a meltdown except by covering it with concrete. And then there is the situation regarding the batteries which are created using rare earth minerals which are mined from the ground and cause damage not only to ecosystems but also pollute groundwater.

    So people seem to be tricked into just trading one pollution problem for another.

    Finally someone who understands how the environment really works. Moving to electric cars just moves the profits around. We really new *FEWER* cars. Better public transportation in urban areas. More walking and biking, much more. Going from two car to one car families is a good first step, and maybe people in urban areas can do without them altogether. I'm more of a rural person myself so I don't see myself not having one. But it certainly won't be an electric one. Not that I'm a fan of gasoline, but there wasn't much else 60 years ago.

    "Bright Green Lies" by Derrick Jensen is an eye opener into how environmentalism has been hijacked into a faux environmentalist movement. Electric cars and LED lighting, etc. has no place in an environmentalist movement.

  5. 2 hours ago, UCyborg said:

    There are hints that the time may come when old cars just won't be acceptable anymore due to emissions.

    So far, everything has been grandfathered in, and hopefully that would continue to be the case. What are they going to do, pull you over and ask for you MPG?

    All the electric cars do anyways is relocate the emissions from the tailpipe to the smokestack. The environmental "benefits" are a complete joke. Lithium batteries are extremely toxic, and store energy non-densely.

    2 hours ago, UCyborg said:

    Regarding safety, do they mean crash resistance? Renault 5 does fall apart rather easily. :P What about the bulkiness of many modern cars? Is it all about safety standards, something about being easier on the unlucky pedestrians if they're hit or are there other reasons?


    Does anyone have an experience with CHECK light? Mine's been on for years, it was said there's nothing to worry about. It stays off for a day or two after yearly mechanic visit and on a very rare ocassion, when it may decide to stay off for few days. It seems not a single year passes when the mechaninc doesn't find anything to fix. I didn't get around asking him what he thinks about that light though.

    So the manual says it's about emission control system and the description that something's wrong with the system for driving the engine and that the car should be taken to official manufacturer's workshop. Then I read on some site that the most radical and expensive solution might be replacing catalytic converter and one of the easier solutions that could work was to pour in a can of Cataclean fuel additive and eventually reset the warning light, which you can supposedly do by unplugging the battery for several minutes. Now I wonder if that Cataclean is actually good for something. Also, the gas stations here all have the text on the pump that says their fuel cleans the engine. :dubbio:

     

  6. On 4/17/2021 at 5:22 PM, Dave-H said:

    A bit late reporting this time, but a cornucopia of no less than seven Office 2010 updates this month.
    To paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of the End of Life of Office 2010 have obviously been greatly exaggerated!
    :D

    KB2553491 Office
    KB2589361 Office
    KB4504739 Office
    KB3017810 Excel
    KB4504738 Office
    KB4493185 Outlook
    KB4493218 Word
    :)
     

    Thanks, Dave!

    I think my supersedence chart is all up to date: https://w2k.phreaknet.org/files/o2010.xlsx

    Anyone have any of these and able to say what the version numbers since 2020/10 have been?

    It's funny, because Microsoft's O2010 page says "The last updates for O2010 were from October, 2020".

    Clearly, Microsoft's different departments are not communicating, probably the patch people don't even know support has "ended"! Or maybe this is internal resistance against Office 365. Either way, thanks, Microsoft!

  7. 5 hours ago, Mr.Scienceman2000 said:

    What is strange many think new products are better for climate and safer than keeping using old one. Nothing is user servicable today.

    Yup!

    5 hours ago, Mr.Scienceman2000 said:

    Issue is beyond electrical devices. It even affects todays car industry. Many modern car for example you cannot even change battery. Car refuses start engine if old battery been drained to empty and/or removed to good charged one and need take it service to make it work again. Also modern car sensors causes lot of issues. I know few cases where brake by wire caused car car accident since brakes did not work. And peoples say buying new car is good for climate and safer than old ones...

    Back in day many peoples drove cars until it broke then fixed and kept driving. There was lot car mechanics to do stuff like replace drivetrain, change headgasket etc. Many properly cars made it until 400 000-500 000km before needed any big maintenance. Nowadays cars are designed last way less since "who drives car over 10 000km nowadays". Today car companies wants you buy new car instead or repairing old one. I dare to say 40 year old saab 900 turbo with 2.0l engine that been properly maintained is way better to climate than any modern car that is meant last few years at best since repairbility. If companies would make simple user repairable cars with manual transmission, no drive assistants, fusebox accessible under hood, normal gauge cluster without fancy displays, no computers and reliable but simple engine I would buy it but it seems nobody does.

    I have no plans to ever buy a new car. I probably won't even consider buying anything that's not at least 40 or 45 years old when I get one.

    6 hours ago, Mr.Scienceman2000 said:

    here they stopped use of landlines by increasing price of contract to ridiciliously high compared gsm prices then stopped selling landlines with excuse nobody wants use. Sure nobody does when it was ridiously high priced to push cell phones. So there is no option. I here. I chose less evil option. Older early 2000 GSM mobile phones (got few nokia, siemens and samsung ones). In finland we got good GSM coverage, last time had call dropping 12 years ago.  I miss landline as option.

    all my cellphones from late1990/early 2000 have survived and still operated. Few of them needed fresh battery after been sitting forever in closet. Back in day cell phones were built to last too but one point they started reduce body/build quality and blocking repairs. All I need to take apart my 6600 is needle. Not all cell phones are total garbage and breaking. Most just think cell phone as iPhone or other non locked down device not oldschool one. If they ever drop GSM I stop using phones. Not going to modern smartphone in any case.

    If there really aren't, maybe you can look into VoIP as an option? At least you can use good quality landline phones instead of POS mobiles that sound and feel like crap.

  8. 1 hour ago, forjonny said:

    I am using Office 2007. Yes I can go to Office in Programs in Control panel and remove items I don't want. Anyhow still doesn't answer my question about why I am getting all those updates that I don't have. Can't Updates look at the system and see what I have? Other downloads can look at your system and tell if you have 64 bit and what version of Windows you have so why can't Microsoft Updates be more exact to what my system has on it? Stupid! I don't know if this is a mistake in their system or they are control freaks that think they know what I need. Or don't need but they want to put their footprint on my computer even deeper. Fools!

    I want to say that in the past I haven't noticed getting updates like this but I haven't paid too much attention.

    I have updates disabled now and every couple months I go in and install updates manually by downloading them from the Download Center or catalog, now that there aren't many updates for W7, no point in having the update service running in the background.

    If you want to be really picky about that, I suggest you look into WSUS if you want to control what updates go through.

  9. 27 minutes ago, Dave-H said:

    If you install Office 2016 (IIRC) or any later version you have to install everything, there is no way of selecting which parts of the suite to install as there was on earlier versions.
    If you have a version earlier than 2016, you can change the configuration using the programs and features dialogue.
    If you only had Word installed, I'm surprised that you suddenly got everything when the program updated, I'm sure that shouldn't have happened!
    Which version are you actually running?
    :dubbio:

    Hmm... maybe this only applies to certain Office products.

    I deployed Office 2019 Professional Plus just last week using the Office Deployment Tool and you can uncheck all the stuff you don't want. In this, I unchecked Skype, Teams, and OneDrive products and just left the "real" Office applications in, as this was in a corporate environment.

    The click to run version might not prompt for that, but I think using ODT you could change it or go into Change the installation afterwards and uninstall those components.

    Not as straight forward as the MSI installer I use for Office 2010, but it should still be possible. I'm most familiar with 2010, but based on my experience with 2019/365, it seems that capability is still there as well. Maybe this is the home 365 version or something?

  10. 4 hours ago, Dave-H said:

    Which version of Office are you running?
    Later versions it's all or nothing as far as I can see, I'm a bit surprised you managed to only install Word if you're using a later version.
    :dubbio:

    What do you mean "all or nothing"?

    So far as I'm aware, one has always been able to go Add/Remove Programs -> Change and then uncheck the Office programs you don't want.

    It's always annoyed me that some organizations disable some of the lesser used programs - hey, SOME people might want to use those!

    That said, I disable SharePoint, because I have no use for it. I install all the other programs, including Access, InfoPath, Publisher, etc.

  11. Hey, everyone - looks like the clocks are rolling forward next week:

    image.png.ba47f18ea5bb22e0c3cd3903f147583a.png

    Posting this here, since I know all the people in Windows 10 land will be completely ignorant of this. Hey, it's Windows 10 - you don't get what you didn't pay for - or what you did pay for!

     

    Seriously, I can only imagine what the Windows 10 product managers were thinking:

    Bob: We don't want the operating system to be too intrusive - let's take out the Daylight Savings nag so people don't get annoyed.

    Alice: Great idea! Let's send updates to all the Windows 7 users to tell them how awesome Windows 10 is and how to get their free upgrade!

  12. On 3/5/2021 at 11:52 PM, i430VX said:

    Vanilla Windows 7 is only (first party) supported at this point if you pay microsoft for ESU or have some sort of private ($$$$) arrangement. Support in this context does not equal updates, though they would almost always be included in a support contract. Support means the company is supporting the product to the end user(s) (you). Third-Party/Community support? Yes, of course that still is going strong. But just because you're getting new updates on a 7 box does not mean you are supported, per se. As in... if you call microsoft support, they will not help if you are not paying them to do so, at this point.

    You see many open source or freeware programs, even frequently updated ones that are "...provided on an AS-IS basis." For all intents and purposes, this is the same scenario.

    This is definitely a rant, but there is a (clear) line in the sand to be drawn between updates and support, when you are taking updates intended for another product/payment scenario and putting them on yours.

    Maybe true, but when has Microsoft ever offered free "support" for their products anyways? You can't call up Microsoft if you have a problem with a "supported" OS like Windows 10 and ask for help. Unless you have an enterprise support agreement, even if the problem is THEIR fault, you are SOL because you don't matter. I don't care squat about whether Microsoft will supposedly offer "support" - they never have anyways for the consumer market! So, it's a bit irrelevant IMO if they are "supporting" something or not, because the outcome is the same either way. If there are software updates, then that's more than good enough for me.

  13. On 1/19/2021 at 7:12 AM, Sergiaws said:

    I use Office 2003 on my machine, and I want to know if can we still use outlook 2003 for seeing and receibing emails, and if not, with what email providers can we use outlook 2003 such as gmail, hotmail, protonmail. I tried with a gmail account and it don't work.

    Why Office 2003? Office 2010 is the most superior version (in my opinion, of course).

    I used to be a diehard Outlook fan, but I learned the hard way over time that it, quite frankly, sucks as a mail program. Every version of Outlook does, it's a chronic Microsoft problem. They don't know how email works. It's so broken that I eventually just gave up. The workarounds are poor and insufficient.

    I use the excellent MailNews from Roytam1, a fork of Interlink, which is a Thunderbird based client. Not to say it's perfect, I have many gripes with it, but at least it works.

    I used Outlook for non-email stuff as Exchange is still awesome - I use it for calendar, contacts, tasks, and journal, etc. but just not for email.

    Bit of a split reality, but what can I do about it??

     

    Also, it seems G-Suite will stop supporting password sign on this year without OAuth for organizational use that is not grandfathered in. MailNews supports OAuth but some clients don't. It's getting hostile out there, folks...

  14. On 2/9/2021 at 5:58 PM, Dave-H said:

    Yet another one today!

    KB4493222 (Excel)

    :thumbup

    More updates for Exchange Server 2010, woot woot!

    "Microsoft isn’t even waiting until next week’s Patch Tuesday to distribute them, signalling the vulnerabilities’ seriousness. The update fixes Exchange Server 2013, 2016 and 2019. There is also a Defense in Depth update for Exchange Server 2010 with Service Pack 3."

    Not sure with DID means, but there is an update, despite ES 2010 going EOS in October 2020.

    https://www.itworldcanada.com/article/microsoft-urges-admins-to-patch-on-prem-exchange-server-installations-immediately/443293

  15. On 1/12/2021 at 6:09 PM, Dave-H said:

    Another four updates this month!

    KB4493181 (Office)
    KB4493186 (Excel)
    KB4493145 (Word)
    KB4493143 (Office)

    Not bad for something that was supposed to be out of support months ago!
    :D

    Weird, you didn't get offered KB4493142?

    Seems like there were 5 total updates.

  16. 6 minutes ago, abbodi1406 said:

    I wish i saw this topic eariler, i would have recommended to try WHDownloader program (you can find at majorgeeks or softpedia)

    a downloader for Windows and Office updates, including 2010
    it require .NET 4.x
    after running it, press on the upper left blue arrow to download update lists, then choose Office2010-x86
    all updates are post SP2

    if you don't want to use the program, you can check this text file which contain download links for the updates
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/ryxbk6ef9cfimd5/Office2010-x86.txt
    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/cq3k8prbzd9pnus/Office2010-x64.txt

    most are exe files format, and the rest are in cab files format (because they removed old exe links from download center)
    for some multilingual updates, the links are for other text files that contain detailed links for each language

    to update or create Office 2010 ISO with SP2 + post-SP2 updates:

    - you don't need any SP1 files, so you can remove them from Updates folder if exist

    - download SP2, and extract the file pointing to Updates folder, example:
     

    
    officesp2010-kb2687455-fullfile-x86-en-us.exe /extract:"C:\Office2010\Updates" /quiet

    - optional: delete the extracted xml files, not needed
    you can also delete most proof-xx-xx.msp files for language you don't have, leaving only main lang + companion proofing langs

    - mandatory: rename all SP2 files adding pre_ prefix, example:
     

    
    pre_clientshared64mui-en-us.msp
    pre_clientshared64ww-x-none.msp
    pre_clientsharedmui-en-us.msp
    pre_officesuitemui-en-us.msp
    pre_officesuiteww-x-none.msp
    pre_osamui-en-us.msp
    pre_proof-en-us.msp
    pre_proof-es-es.msp
    pre_proof-fr-fr.msp
    pre_proofing-en-us.msp
    pre_projectmui-en-us.msp
    pre_projectww-x-none.msp
    pre_visiomui-en-us.msp
    pre_visioww-x-none.msp

    - mandatory: add updated osetup.dll and ose.exe to Updates folder

    updated osetup.dll can be found inside:
    SP2 officesuiteww-x-none.msp
    or
    kb4022208 osetup-x-none.msp (newest)

    updated ose.exe can be found inside:
    SP2 officesuiteww-x-none.msp
    or
    kb4022206 ose-x-none.msp (newest)

    you can use 7-zip to extract the files

    - then, add post SP2 updates to Updates folder

    - Important note:
    for some products that have 2 updates each, one is neutral and the other is multilingual (Localizations)
    you only need the language msp file from multilingual update, the main msp file take it from neutral update

    example:
    wordloc2010-kb4461625-fullfile-x86-glb.exe
    word2010-kb4486740-fullfile-x86-glb.exe

    you need:
    wordintl-en-us.msp from wordloc2010-kb4461625
    word-x-none.msp from word2010-kb4486740
     

    Wouldn't this download all post-SP2 updates though, including those that have been superseded?

    My thinking was just to download the relevant ones, to reduce the size of the files on disk. Already this is taking up several GB on my hard drive.

  17. 13 hours ago, Win10-Hater said:

    Alternative solution: upgrade to Windows 8.0 or 8.1 (I use 8.1 on my secondary laptop), and tweak the UI to make it look like Win7 or Vista.

    I know people who do that, but can't understand why. Why not just use an OS that doesn't require such tweaks, like W7?

    W7 still requires tweaks, but at least they can all be done through GPOs or reg edits or built-in OS toggling. No third party software needed to make it not drive you insane!

    Compatability for 8x can be even worse than 7 so I can't see that being a bonus, either.

    Security updates for 8x will end before or at the same time as security updates for 7 do, IIRC.

  18. 14 minutes ago, noobie91 said:

    Do you know that the telemetry in Windows 7 and 8.x can be easily disabled (without third-party tools) and that it is not as obtrusive as Win10's telemetry?

    • Night mode can easily be implemented in any other Windows version through f.lux. 
    • Dark themes are available for older Windows versions also, so you can't say that it's a very useful feature introduced in Win10.

    Without patching the operating system in a way that makes sfc /scannow fail? Enlighten us, please...

    14 minutes ago, noobie91 said:
    • Individual PowerToys can be downloaded and installed on any other Windows version. 

    The W10 PowerToys are useless IIRC. The XP ones were more useful.

    14 minutes ago, noobie91 said:

    Open Shell, however great it is, makes ZERO sense to me on Windows 10. It's only for Windows 8.x IMO. And also, is Open Shell the ultimate solution to making Win10 look like Win7? Please tell me.

    Well, I think I'd go mad if I didn't have OpenShell on W10 when I have to use it :realmad:

    You're saying people should just use the default sorry excuse for a start menu?

    It looks more like what an 8x real start menu would have looked like but the point is functionality not look necessarily.

    Best solution: upgrade to Windows 7, and forget about Windows 10, if you can!

  19. On 7/13/2020 at 8:37 AM, Tripredacus said:

    The jury is out on whether we can even do anything to stop or change the path of the climate, however it is more important that we can agree that pollution of any sort is bad and we can always do more to cut down on that and make our environment better for each other.

    E-waste is primarily caused by many things, of which I can think, but these may be limited to the US.

    - manufacturers creating products with planned obsolescene and/or not following standards, resulting in short lifespans.
    - manufacturers using designs that are not publicly documented, or keep documentation behind paywalls or subscription plans.
    - manufacturers that replace whole parts (such as boards) instead of fixing or replacing individual components.
    - manufacturers that sue repair shops
    - trades (in general) not seen as important and not taught in schools, especially electronics

    Going back to the 1990s, there were repair shops all over the place. You could take you electronic gadget to get fixed and it was an actual fix and not just a PCB replacement. Or you could get the service manual and do the work yourself. Even to this day, if you buy some older electronic device, you can find the service manual online and be able to do a repair yourself. With new products, that isn't an option.

    As things changed, the removal of electronic repair shops, the disappearing of stores to buy components (although most can be found online), the ceasing of schools teaching trades like electronics/repair and likely the fact that costs have come way down on products has made it so people do not have the same attachment to something they once had. It is cheaper to just "buy a new one" instead of trying to find someone to repair it. Companies do replace products if they are under warranty, but they are doing wholesale changes and does not solve the e-waste issue. It is cheaper for a company to just replace a PCB and sell the "bad" one to a recycler than to spend time to diagnose and repair a problem.

    So in the current day, there is too few options for what to do with broken or unwanted electronics. Pay a recycler to take the thing? Put it out into the garbage? Throw it into the woods or the ocean? We had a ton of electronics years ago and didn't have this waste problem because the products lasted longer and they could be fixed. And fixing something was cheaper than buying a replacement, or cheap enough to make waiting for a repair a better option than buying a new one.

    Exactly, I'd say these are all excellent points.

    I know retrocomputers comprise a good portion of this forum, and as such they/we are all doing our part insofar as electronics go.

    Today, nothing is built to last, all kinds of rare earth minerals are endlessly purged and wasted - look at sour companies like Apple. They are the epitome of planned obsolescence. Proprietary hardware, exclusive software, planned obsolescence, hardware and software incompatibility, and mobile first. As an environmentalist, it disgusts me. As a technology enthusiast, it disgusts me even more.

    I'm also a bit of a telephone collector, sort of. My main phones are all vintage Bell System / Western Electric 500 rotary or 2500 TouchTone sets. Those things were built to last. I've plugged in 80 year old phones and those just work! Personally, I don't use anything older than the 500, which started in 1949. The F-style handsets before '49 are too uncomfortable. The G-style handsets on modern rotary and on 2500-type and Princess phones are the best. They're still widely used today - on pretty much all payphones and 2554 courtesy phones you often see in hotels, hospitals, convention centers, etc.

    I don't have a mobile (cell "phone") of any kind. Absolutely no interest in dropped calls, crappy call quality, brain cancer, wasting energy, or having a useless "computer" the size of a fingernail. Or something that needs to be charged over and over. It's so nice not having to charge ANYTHING on a regular basis. And MUCH better for the environment. Also, did I mention cell phone audio quality sucks? It really does.

    This kind of lifestyle is a complete rejection of e-waste, fads, frivolity, etc. I believe in things that work well that work well for a long time that are quality, durable, environmentally friendly, and top notch.

    So, environmentalist technologist types, here we are:

    - Using older operating systems and reusing or refurbishing older hardware

    - Using timeless telephones built to last. No cheap/expendable electronics here. Probably I'll die before any of my phones do. Half of them are already older than my parents. If anything ever breaks (doubt it), easy, just open up the phone and fix it. They were made for that. (SIDE NOTE: remember when you could actually go to a REAL phone story and buy a phone? Now, the only phone store is eBay, maybe flea markets. You try finding one these days, all you find is junk, maybe a couple real modern electronic phones in Office Depot if you're lucky...)

    - Using wired technologies. Ethernet cables are a superior species to radio waves. Seriously, who wants a high-latency low-quality connection? Ditch the Wi-Fi and cordless phones, and even more, ditch the 3G/4G/5G/etc.

    - Not subscribing to the whole continuous never-ending "upgrade" culture. As Windows 7 -> Windows 10 has shown (or pick your favorite good OS -> bad OS transition), the wow doesn't always start now, sometimes it already started and it's OK to hop off the train for a while, maybe forever.

    P.S. Vista is a good OS, I mean that in a different way.

    Technology today is responsible for about as much CO2 as the entire airline industry today - about 2%. So, technologists have a responsibility to the environment. Anyways, I'll be here, all Ethernet wired up, using Windows 7, Office 2010, Adobe Reader 11, and my classic top-notch telephones, no wireless or cordless products in sight!

    It's more than most people in developed Western countries are doing, at least 95% or maybe 99% of folks, so a good start I'd say!

  20. 10 hours ago, DanR20 said:

    Does anyone know of any sites that still use flash? I haven't been able to find any lately but there's probably still some around.

    For those it might be a good idea to consider keeping an older version for Basilisk since from what I've read Adobe put a time bomb on their last version set to explode Jan 1, 2021. I've got v32.0.0.453 just in case, although there is supposedly a flash emulator available somewhere that will hopefully install in these older FF versions.  

    Plenty. Especially lesser used, obscure, or academic sites. Keeping an old version on hand would be a smart idea. I've also got that version I believe safely downloaded from the Wayback Archive.

    The bomb goes off Jan 12, not Jan 1.

  21. 5 minutes ago, Jody Thornton said:

    But the more compatible you make it, the more RAM it will take up.  Websites, data sets and scripts are just too large to run in small amounts of RAM.

    I'm running Windows 8 with the old Vista mail client Windows Mail kludged in.  Right now, it occupies 25.5 MB.  Notepad, teensy weensy Notepad with a blank page takes 1 MB.  What you want is something with the overhead of Windows 95, that yet can browse the modern web - WILL NOT HAPPEN  :)

     

    Yeah, you might be right... but I feel like you could get close.

    Windows Mail, when I ported it to W7, just crashes mostly. MailNews is nice but with 11 accounts it's a memory account.

    Something like QTWeb that makes it easy to toggle on/off different things like JS would at least allow easy reduction of resources. Also has automatic ad blocking which is probably more efficient than ublock origin.

  22. 4 hours ago, UCyborg said:

    Lightweight and compatible with modern web is an oxymoron. Moonchild Productions' browsers are good for bells and whistles, but also have problems with memory leaks, though that seems to be a common problem with anything descending from Firefox.

    I was afraid that was the case :(

    We just need QTWeb updated for the modern web...

    I was able to get it to not crash on one page by disabling JS, so that's a relief, but o/w, it loads many things slowly, improperly, or not at all.

     

    If someone could make a decent browser that was lightweight < 100 MB idle, < 150 MB with a couple tabs open, that would be awesome! $$$$.

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