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It really does put it in Windows\Local Settings\Sun\Java. And it's not the only app that has put it's settings in that folder. And I had the same thought too since I also have XP on this computer. There is one other thing that I thought of. When I installed Quick Time, it modified the Autoexec.bat file with 2 lines. I don't remember the exact entry but it was something like Set CLASSPATH= then the path to QTJava and set JAVA= something I don't remember. Since I knew that I was going to be installing and using Sun Java, I deleted those lines and copied over from ME's Autoexec.batr file the lines that Sun Java will put there. Now I wonder if Sun Java looks at the bat file and thinks it's already installed and that I am looking for any updates to Sun Java. I guess it's worth a try to just delete those lines out of the bat file tonight and retry the install. Any thought about that?

Yes I have the same file in my ME installation. That was done 14 years ago when Sun probably still had that location available. See above replies for more info. And like I said above "The only thing that does happen before the install terminates is that it makes a folder in Windows\Local Settings\Java\jre5\ with 2 files in it. One is the msi. I have tried running that msi but it just does the same thing. BTW, I did try Java 6 update 31 last night but it does the same thing as all the others."

From your screen shots it looks as if it's from XP. Have you tried this update on a 9x OS?

Absolutely the same. In fact the approximately 10 versions I've downloaded and tried are all the same 17106MB with a Sun sign-off on October 9 (from the Digital Signatures tab of the properties page). And last night what I did instead of pulling the telephone wire out of the wall socket was to delete the internet connections completely so there was nothing to go to. The install terminated even quicker. I wonder if there are some switches that can be used for this install that turn off the update feature. Something like "-noupdate". I'm pretty sure that what it's trying to do is check for any updates or patches for this version. Anyway, an offline update that has to go online to complete an install is not truly an offline update. I suppose it's possible that there is something unusual with my 98se installation but damned if I know what it could be. It's a fresh install with all the MS updates applied.

Nothing is in Add/Remove programs. Nothing in Common Files. No registry keys have been made (I use InCtrl5 to monitor installs). The only thing that does happen before the install terminates is that it makes a folder in Windows\Local Settings\Java\jre5\ with 2 files in it. One is the msi. I have tried running that msi but it just does the same thing. BTW, I did try Java 6 update 31 last night but it does the same thing as all the others. Guess it's about time to give up on this.

I guess there's a misunderstanding here. I do not have high speed internet only dial up. I don't use the internet very much. So I don't think the dial up is interfering. Only thing I can do with that is pull the telephone wire out of the socket.

No. Never. I went from 1.1 to 1`.3 then to 1.5 update 18, then 21, and then 22 (on my ME setup). That's what the error message said....1.5.0_06-b05.xml. This is the first time installing on a fresh installation of 98SE (naturally all the MS updates have been done already). And that's the installer version I have on my system 2.0.2600.2. And I already had installed KernelEx. In fact I have tried these installs with KernelEx turned off in case it was interfering with it somehow.

Thanks awduck. It looks to be the same as all the others I've tried. But I'll try it anyway. Reason for that version is that it was the last to support the 9x series OS's. Supposedly the Java 6 update 31 will install with KernelEx and I'll try that too as a last resort.

That's what I figure too. But Oracle isn't interested in servicing a nearly 20 year old app and the location, which I think is java.oracle.com/update/1.0.5.22 etc, has probably long ago been de-activated. And as I said above, when I cancel the connection, the install terminates with nothing done. The only way I see now is to get that XML file and put it in the folder with the executable. But I have searched for that XML file online and find nothing. I suppose I could try the Java 6 update 31 which supposedly works with KernelEx and see what happens. I also have some previous versions that I saved (Java 1.1 and 1.3) and I did try 1.3 to see if it worked and it did. But that's going backward.

I have tried all the versions that have been provided and some that I found. They all do the same thing. Start the Internet connection. When I've allowed them to go ahead with the call they return an error that they can't find some XML file that is required to complete the install. When I cancel the Internet connection they end and do nothing. I don't know how to make that any clearer.

I'm going by what the Oracle webpage said. It showed an offline version that ended with a -p.exe and an online version that ended with a -itfw.exe. Also. the -itfw.exe version was much smaller which makes sense. So I assumed that all the java -p.exe updates out there were the offline version. Not all websites really know what they have. All the versions I've tried so far have cranked up the internet connection and when I cancelled the internet connection, the update ended with nothing done. That's pretty decisive. I'll try the one you mention above but I'm pretty sure I already downloaded the version that was on OldApps.

Yep. I looked thru my ME installation but didn't see any XML file. Probably does a clean up after the install. I do have copies of all the Java versions I've ever installed but they all seem to be online versions. I even found one on the web yesterday that was supposedly the offline version but it wasn't. Every update I've ever done on my systems I've saved and burned to disc in case they disappear from the web. Appreciate you taking the time to look thru your ME installation.

Did that earlier today. Although I'll try it tonight, I'll bet it's the online version. The only downloads on Oracle's site are the SDK versions (offered as online or off-line) , not the JRE versions. If someone still had that XML file that would help. Don't remember if Java does a post install clean-up but it probably does because I checked my ME system and it wasn't there.

Anybody know where I can get the offline version of this update? The version I have wants to go online to a now non-existant web page. I have the app and the jrestub but it wants to download a file named 1.5.0_06-b05.xml to complete installation. Any help appreciated. Thaqnks.

Never mind. I had a hunch that it was related to the sound card not be installed before I installed DirectX 9c. I re-installed it and it works fine now. Thanks for your help.

Correction on this. From memory only 1....VEN is 8086 (Intel) but I don't remember the PID but it was only 1..

I'm at work right now so I can't tell you right now but my guess would be several. I'm going to be away until Monday so I'll get you a better answer then. Thanks.

After fixing the sound problem I went back to checking everything that's been installed so far to make sure everything is OK. I found a new problem: Direct X Diagnostics has a problem. At start up it gives me the error message "0x80004005 (Generic Failure). The Sound tab gives me the same failure code for a different reason as shown in this picture. Failure at step 3 (Direct Sound Create). The Music tab gives me the same failure code again, for a different reason, but only when highlighting the Microsoft Synthesizer entry as shown in this picture. Failure at step 6 (Activating the Direct Music port). All the other items work fine and produce the expected test sounds. So my questions are could the installation of DirectX 9.0c before I fixed the sound problem be the problem? And what is the Micrsoft Synthesizer? Is it the DLS Synthesizer? Here are 2 pictures of the same thing in Millenium. The second picture is scrolled up a little to show all the entries in Millennium. Millennium has no problems. Also, there are more entries in Millennium. Is that because Millennium is a little more advanced than 98se or am I missing something in 98se?

Ooops! Correction. KS means Kernel Streaming.

Finally. After working on this off and on since October...SUCCESS! It was those reg entries for the audio mixer that were needed (after I fixed them to point to the right driver). Last week I was reading an article on Microsoft's website regarding the KS system (which stands for kernel sound) to see if there was any info that would help me. It was useful in that I learned that the audio renderer (the AC'97 sound card) and audio mixer are necessary to make sound. It was also interesting that after all this time it hasn't changed much. Except for the addition of a couple new KS categories, the sound reg keys are still the same. These are the INF files that were needed from Millennium to install the AC'97 sound card and mixer: KS, KSFILTER, WDMAUDIO AND WDMA_INT. I still have a couple more things to do regarding sound such as the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synthesizer. I did import some Millennium reg entries for it as part of what I was doing to get the sound working, but since it wasn't the main focus of getting the sound to work, I didn't search the registry for every occurence. That's next. It currently isn't being shown on the MIDI tab of the Multimedia properties page but it should be, along with the Roland MPU 401 instrument. Anyway, I appreciate your help and I guess that it's not necessary to upload the contents of the WDMA_INT.INF file now.

I could make a text copy of it and insert it into a reply here and hope that it's not forbidden. At this point I can't see why not. An Inf file is just a script for an install. What is different between ME's KS and wdmaudio is the addition of a few more products including the AC'97 sound card. Right now I think the problem is the audio mixer. It wasn't listed in the System Information as it is in ME. That's when I searched the registry in ME for keys relating to the audio mixer. I found several which I exported and had intended to import them into 98se last night which I did but it didn't work. Reason for that was I forgot to edit those files before importing due to the fact that in ME the Enum\SW entry points to CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Media\0002 when in 98se it should point to Media\0016. That would be a very good reason it didn't work. I fixed them last night but finished at 1:45AM and it was time to crash. I'm going to do it again tonight with the correct information. The key for the Audio Mixer is B7EA......and it should be listed in the Enum\SW section as a subkey. The problem stems from the fact that the initial install of 98se had no info on the AC'97 sound card so it didn't make any registry entries for sound. And the reason I'm working on it now is because several apps will not install without a sound card present. Namely Nero and Windows Media Player Classic and there may be others in the Entertainment category too. I'll put the contents of the wdma_int.inf file up here tomorrow along with the results of tonight's attempt. Hey and thank you for being interested. I appreciate it and will always listen to someone else's opinion.

Yes I did.

No luck so far but I did find one more thing that doesn't look right. Using System Information in 98se and clicking on Multimedia showed the AC'97 Sound card, Gameport Joystick and MS Kernel Audio Renderer installed, active and no problems. I wanted to see what Millennium said so I did the same thing there too. There it showed the above 3 items but also showed the MS Kernel Audio Mixer as well. I'm assuming that 98se should have showed that as well so I started hunting in Millennium's registry and found some more keys related to the Audio Mixer. I exported them but ran out of time to import them into 98se's registry. I will do that tonight and see what happens. The thing I wish I knew is the trail of files that produces sound in Windows. It's all broken down into subprograms with one subprogram doing it's thing and then passing that onto another one that does it's thing and so on. I really believe that this is registry entries and not missing files. This could all have been avoided if there was a way to break into the original install of 98se and put the Millennium Inf's relating to the sound card in SE's Inf folder and then continue with the install but to the best of my knowledge there isn't. That leaves me with the task of finding all those entries and importing them into 98se. Daunting to say the least but I'm not giving up. What's also a shame is that no update ever came out to fix this problem. I had already installed all the 98se updates that MS issued, which included some for sound, but none of them did anything for this. You'd think that MS would have become aware that sound cards were now being integrated into the mobo even though PCI/PCMCIA sound cards were also still being used and they would have issued an update. Oh well! For anyone that's interested, MSINFO32 from 98se works on ME as well without going thru the Help and Support center. The files are the same size to the byte. I didn't like that I actually got less info from MSINFO32 in ME so I just tried 98se's MSINFO32. Some other things that work are Spider Solitaire and Pinball from ME on 98se. Also MSBackup from 98se works in ME. And if you look in ME's Applets file in the Inf folder, you will see the paragraph for MSBackup but it's remmed out. Wonder if they were going to give ME that too but decided that System Restore would do the same thing. Ha!

In my last post a few months ago I was thinking that maybe the motherboard didn't have all the correct drivers installed so I was going to try the driver update. When I ran the update it said I already had them installed. OK so I did a search in Millennium Windows\Inf for any files that had AC'97 Sound Card or the registry key: VEN_8086&DEV_2415&SUBSYS_3151109F&REV_02 in them (I have 4 hard drives on this computer one of which has Millennium). I found 3...KS, wdmaudio and wdma_int. I think the _int in wdma_int stands for Intel. This inf doesn't exist in 98SE's Inf directory. So after renaming 98SE's KS and wdmaudio (so I don't lose them), I copied all 3 over from Millennium to 98SE. I also copied all the registry entries from Millenium that had anything to do with the AC'97 sound card (which is really an onboard integrated chip) and imported them into 98SE's registry (I made a backup first in case there were any problems). Then I went into Device Manager in 98SE and did the "update driver" for the Multimedia sound device which at that time was in the "unknown" category. Well this did make a difference. In the Mulitmedia properties in Control Panel it now shows the AC'97 sound card as the preferred device for Recording but the Playback is still "greyed out". Something is still missing. Does anybody know what file 98SE uses to communicate with the sound card driver? I'm wondering if this might be the problem. I have a few other ideas too but wanted to see what any of you think. 98SE and Millenium are fairly compatible. The other OS on this computer is XP Pro and both Millenium and XP have no sound problems. Funny thing is that when the eMachines 633ids was released it did come with 98SE then later Millenium.

That's OK. Didn't mean anything by that. I could be more clear myself. The Trigem Cognac motherboard comes with 2 built in USB 2.0 ports and the AC'97 sound chip. It was the fact that the built in USB ports didn't work that clued me in to thinking that this was a motherboard driver issue for 98SE. When a mobo has special features that are new to the computer world, the manufacturer usually will do a pre-install of the drivers necessary to use those features. They will not come with Windows unless Microsoft already knows about them in time for the release of their new OS. Due to the timing of the release date of 98SE and the release date of this mobo, MS didn't include the appropriate drivers to use these new features. They would have already been installed by the manufacturer. I didn't think about that initially because the 98SE version that I had, already had them loaded. I originally got 98SE on a drive that I removed from a computer that was being thrown out where I used to work. When I installed that drive on my system everything worked just fine. Then came the day that drive went berserk along with the other one that was hooked up to a raid controller card. So I lost 98SE and it's backup (which was on that other drive). My copy of 98SE is an ISO of the retail version. which doesn't include anything other than Windows. So I have been re-installing 98SE and didn't even think of that. Anyway, I do have the mobo drivers now and I will see if that takes care of this. It should. Thanks again for the conversation.