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What's that winrar and what hacks do you run?
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StartAllBack 3.7.10
Quote- 24H2: Control Center repositioning
- Fixed old RTL issues
- Fixed no Search tab on tabbed Ribbon
- Disabled newer weather animated icons
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Taskbar2 alpha version allows to reorder tasks within a group.
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This issue is specific to specific multimon display configuration with DisplayPort connection.
When/if secondary taskbars will be reimplemented we'll try to figure that out.
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3.7.9 does not disable itself on 23H2; reinstall proper version from the website.
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That doesn't sound related to taskbar at all?
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Please respect the rules; do direct comparsion with 3.7.9 to improve feedback quality.
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1 hour ago, mackid1993 said:
I have noticed that both old style deskbands and newer overlays like Networx work well! That's a big piece of functionality that keeps me wanting the old taskbar, so I'm glad to see that works.
That functionality is not recreated yet and provided by existing taskbar code. Refer to checklist
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CAL are not required, licensing is per host PC.
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Functionality checklist
Task icons
- Enumeration of existing; adding, removing classic/uwp apps; AppID, title, icon task update reflection
- Virtual desktop filter toggling / switching
- Enumeration of existing pins; pinning via other UI; pinning via drag & drop; unpinning from other UI, jumplist, if shortcut deleted; policy preventing pinned apps
- Reordering by dragging: single / multiple rows
- Click to activate/minimize; combined button click shows thumbnails
- Ctrl+clicking group or LastActiveClick registry key switches between combined button tasks
- Shift+clicking button or middle-clicking launches new app instance; ctrl+shift+clicking group launches elevated app elevated
- Right-click, dragout: show jump list
- Shift+right-click: window system menu or shortcut context menu
Layout: all combinations
- Different icon size / padding / screen DPI / metrics
- Vertical / horizontal layout on different screen edges
- Multiple horizontal rows: filling each visible row with maximum density
- Different visible / total rows: scrolling and scrollbar position
- Combined/auto-combined/uncombined behavior
Task list extensibility
- Overlay icons + badges on uwp apps: grouped/grouped
- Progress bar: paused/error/normal/indeterminate; grouped/ungrouped
- Window flashing: depends on caret blinking speed
- Custom windows added or removed to list; alternate activation windows (Office < 2013?)
Thumbnails
- Thumbnails are shown after ExtendedUIHoverTime (default hover time)
- Thumbnails are used when there are less than NumThumbnails (16) tasks
- Thumbnails are sized according to display aspect ratio no bigger than MaxThumbSizePx (200)
- Hover thumbnails should close if any key is pressed
- Click to activate window; press-and-move to rearrange
- Right-click for system menu
- Close with red button or middle-button click
- Window tabs (IE? VMWare?): active tab, tab order/switching/thumbnails
- Thumbnail toolbars: lot of rarely used behaviors; special media toolbars for UWP apps
- Snap groups: activation, closing, group context menu
- Window sharing (webex/Teams): not for groups or tabs
- Hover for Aero Peek: shows if DisablePreviewWindow(0) is not 0 after ThumbnailLivePreviewHoverTime(250) initial hover
Keyboard:
- Win+{number}: same as click with one-window button; switch between tasks while help
- Alt+Win+{number}: show jumplist
- Shift+Win+{number}: launch new apps instance
- Win+(Shift)+T, F6/Tab/keyboard arrows/space/enter: navigate between icons and thumbnails
- Accessibility: Narrator / automation
Misc:
- Drop file over icon / thumbnail to activate window
- Animations: open/close, collapse/expand, hover, launch feedback, added to group, flashing, progress bar, move from icons to thumbnails
- Taskbar on virtual desktop switching animation (unfinished)
- Fullscreen classic / uwp app behavior
- Tooltips
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"Taskbar2" is new StartAllBack (partially) recreated taskbar prototype. It's not a product and is for testing only.
Task buttons:
- Better: ungrouped icons are pixel-perfect if possible
- Different: does not depend on immersive shell / shows faster
- Different: no horizontal 1px padding; no drag&drop to pin to apps
Thumbnails:
- Better: can be rearranged with drag and drop
- Different: list of windows overflows into multiple columns, not scrolling
- Different: animation, Win7 design, Snap Groups / Window sharing / Toolbar design
Alpha Milestone 1 limitations:
- No multi-monitor taskbars
- No perks (centered, segmented ex.)
- Still totally depends on classic taskbar code
Those to be researched later. Expect major degradations or never shipping at all.
- Please stay strictly on topic. Do regression testing (compare with existing classic taskbar)
Judgment Day: http://startisback.com/T2.exe
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You'll notice when/if SAB reimplements taskbar.
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No, some weirdos like it very much.
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Yeah jumplist drag invocation can bug like that.
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Do you have other customization software like Fences?
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That's right, 1px top or bottom is cut
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I don't think any kind of speculation can help. Google human contacts can though.
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No, there's nothing. AI has determined app as 'potentially unwanted software' and there's no way to appeal.
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@Ups that how taskbar works. Window activation and taskbar click are asynchronous actions, that behavior is to be expected. Russian website is clearly visible on https://www.startisback.com
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Good to do. No idea why AI overlord decided to dislike StartIsBack
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For Dark Magic I have an experimental vector styling engine in the works. However it's not coming any time soon, sorry.
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Latest update removed altering style for any .msstyles which is not \Windows\Resources\Themes\aero.msstyles.
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Control Center is screwed up and total degradation on 24H2, blame Microsoft.
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It's expected for now. Not that Insider is generally supported
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StartAllBack for Windows 11
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That's standard behavior with multiple rows