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The problem, if I am not wrong, is how to make a XP TPC unattended install cd given a XP pro cd and the recovery cd from the tablet manufacturer (acer in my case). Any idea how to do this?
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Though you can incorporate the two, I would doubt that unless your able to load it with a DVD, you'd be able to do it all on a CD. If it were possible to put it all on a CD/DVD, then I would suggest you take a look at the folder structure of both disks, and see how they are layed out. If there are files in an i386 folder on the Disk 2, then you would have to worry that your not overwriting something important on the Disk 1, unless it's needed to make it work. You also will want any drivers from the Disk 1 so you can install it once your done slipstreaming everything. Not having Disk 2 myself, I couldn't tell you exactly how to go about doing it.
Though I would venture to say, that unless your using the OEM disks from the manufacturer, the key you have wont work with any other purchased copy of the disks as they are usually coded to a certain disk. Which is my problem with HP's MCE that I have. Without the actual OEM disks, I am screwed as I cannot just download the Disk 2 from somewhere and use my copy of XP Pro with the Disk 2 to make the slipstreamed copy using the key I have from my HP computer.
From what I was told by M$, the keys that they send to manufacturers such as HP/Compaq, are keyed to certain disks/computers. Therefore, if you go to an OEM supplier and get a copy of a disk from them, (being the same exact O/S version such as XP Home/Professional/MCE/TE,) the key from the HP/Compaq wont work that new disk as it's coded to a certain disk. The key from my Mac OS X Virtual PC version of XP Professional, for example wont work on my PC as either a stand alone copy of XP Professional or on the Virtual PC for the PC. The Home keys I have from my HP Home, won't work with an OEM CD with Home that can easily be purchased from places such as New Egg for use on another computer, as they are keyed to the disks that put them on the comptuer to begin with.
Hope you can understand my explanation of this, I realize it's a tad long winded, but that was how it was explained to me by a M$ tech at their 900 number, also what it says on the M$ website, after I did an exhaustive search there for it. I finally found it, from an email they sent me to the link, which I no longer have due to a recent reformat of my HDD's, I lost it.
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k thanks..
btw. when i bought my comp. at best buy, i got some kinda service plan with me ($250). I can replace stuff with it, like the screen, and they said that they would come to my house and repair it. But i dunno if this also covers problems with the hdd and stuff. You got any clue?
Yea, when did you get the computer at Best Buy? If you haven't had it for 30 days, then they have to take it back, take it back to them and tell them thanks but no thanks? Then go online and get one from Cyberpower or one of the other reputable dealers online. Monarch is another I would reccomend, as is Shuttle and Alienware, which you can also purchase through Best Buy. (The Alienware is purchaseable through Best Buy in store at thier computer store.) OF course there are others for those with bigger pockets, such as Falcon North West, Velocity Micro, Vicious PC, and Voodoo. Stay away from Dell, unless you get the XPS, and also stay away from Gateway and most definately the HP/Compaq branding. They are nothing compared to what they used to be back in the day.
You get what you pay for, $ 4 $, the Monarch and Cyberpower are going to be your best bets. Money being no object, Falcon NW, Voodoo, or Velocity Micro would be my choices, if not able to build it yourself, which would be by far my first choice. Then you get not only what you need/want/can afford, but you get the satisfaction of not only doing it yourself, but also the pride of doing it yourself, while learning at the same time. From someone who has built their own PC's since 1985, I am always learning each time I build a new PC.
As far as the service plan goes, it should cover everything with your computer and yes, it should replace your hdd, still I would take and download the format utility from the manufacturer and run it prior to having them mess with it. This way they don't get any information you don't want them knowing off it. Such as passwords, pictures, log-ins etc.
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Your talking about two different programs, one is Adobe Acrobat the other is just a reader. The non-reader version is packed with the ability to create PDF's, but the reader-only version only will read those PDF's. Yes the reader-only incorporates "junkware" but it also incorporates into IE, Mozilla, etc. and includes plug-ins to view things that the non-reader doesn't need plug-ins to do, as it's all incorporated into the full program.
There are two versions of the installer for Reader. The basic downloads everything from Adobe's website, the full version has everything in it so you only have to download it once, and you would want to have the full version for putting on a CD/DVD install so your not trying to download everything from the internet when you install it. It just saves time and headaches in the future when installing.
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In his situation, his best recourse would be to go and get the disks from HP first, also grab the files from his HDD manufacturer and reformat that drive, once he does that and uses the CD set from HP, he will regain control of his HDD.
Personally, if you haven't had it for over 30 days, I'd return it to where I got it and get one from either Cyberpower or another online source, that includes a regular cd set from M$ with the O/S on it. If you have a way to put it in another computer first, I would take the HDD out and format it still with it's utility, at least run it 10 times to make sure everything is removed from it and everything is totally zero'd out before I sent it back to them. Especially if you have done any banking or have any other information on your hdd that you don't want someone else knowing.
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Just having the CD set from HP wont make you, "Just fine" but it should make the installation go smoother, because you will need the drivers from it to install your O/S back onto it. They are only about $20 U.S. for the set to have them ship them to you, $10 of that is for shipping 3 day via UPS. It's $5 to ship via U.S. Mail that takes about 2-3 weeks to get them to you. Once you reformat the HDD and use that set it should go really smoothly, also make sure you tell them you want the ones for 2004 edition with SP2 integrated, as they should provide you with those, since they are the newest updates for the computer. Just follow the brief directions that appear on the screen once you boot the computer with the first CD in the drive.
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According to his specs he only has one HDD it's installed with the operating system as a partition on the HDD. IF he obtains the replacement CD's from HP, (usually $20 for the set of 7/8,) then he will be able to reformat his hdd and start over, but it would be best if he had a backup of his files to another hdd first that he wants to save, which he would have to have an O/S on to access those files. Besides all that, since he's not worried about losing what's on the hdd, then he can just download the utility from the manufacturer of his hdd, which can be found on the top of the hdd or from asking HP, then obtaining their utility, (SUTIL or similar,) to format the drive with before he uses the crappy install disks from HP, then he should be able to get rid of the virus that is causing his issue, if not then he will need a new hdd.
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My Q would be, do you have the disks from HP? Or are you attempting to use some other copy of MCE? You have to have the disks from HP so as to have the drivers that are needed to access the sata drive that is being used with that setup. Doing it from any other version of MCE would require those drivers to be able to access the HDD. IF it's gone beyond the 40 min with the processor you have in there, then you have waited too long, there is either something wrong with the cheap, (more than likely samsung,) hard drive that is included with most HP's these days, or the even cheaper HP DVD burner that's included with them, which I reccomend upgrading both to more reliable equipment as a first result, second result would be to take Astalavista's suggestion and take an axe to it and get a "real" computer!
I should mention I have had three of HP's computers, two of them had HP home on them the third is an MCE, 873n, (one of the originals,) and none of them are worth the money spent on them, the MCE was a prize and haven't spent anything on it...but it's still not worth the metal used to produce it.
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That is correct, every link I post, is done from memory. Pretty good memory don't ya think?
Who's memory? How much memory do you have in that 286?
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no offense DisabledTrucker.
but i have a good feeling that this guy is really a newbie probably around 16 to 18.
Lets go easy on the little guy. He maybe a little slow but he seems nice.
YOU CAN DO IT!!!
No offense taken, and might I suggest around 8-9? Slow yes, nice yes, but not sure about age.
As jacmatsu still hasn't grasped the fine art of "Search", or "Google".
No, you should see that, just let it do what it needs to to finish installing Windows XP, your fine. What your seeing is natural for an installation of an operating system that is fixing to modify your new hard drive. OF course unless it's fixing to wipe out some data from a partition which already has data on it that is necessary to keep, then you will be in trouble if you let it go on and do what it's saying it's going to do. I recommend backing up whatever you have or finding another partition to put it on.From the above message, do I need to use 6 startup disks to reboot? And, then install it from CD.0 -
Which one shows your clock?
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I guess I wasn't clear enough, I don't have a problem accessing it from another computer, I don't want to clone it, as that too wont give me what I am looking for. When I install the 7/8 disk collection to the HDD of the HP computers, and shut them off, pull the drives to put them into another computer to grab the D:\Recovery partition, a lot of the files have already been copied over to C:\Pavilion partition as well. Both of these partitions are using different file systems. Recovery is on some weird screwed up version of fat32 and the Pavilion partition is on NTFS.
Though HP with the MCE gives a way to perform a CD copy of everything, I end up with what I already have, 7/8 CD's with everything backed up. What I am wanting is one single DVD with all the information on it in a single partition (DVD) so I can upgrade it, change the files/drivers, and then use that single DVD to put it back onto the HDD.
It also doesn't solve the other problem I have with accessing these files prior to them being seperated into the different partitions, which is what I am looking for, and need help with. Once I can get that, I can make the DVD and thus should be able to slipstream SP2/2004, along with whatever I want to put in the files/drivers folders, into that and put it back onto the HDD. What your suggesting wont work, as I have already tried it before, with various cloning utilities, (what a waste of money that was!)
From further inspection, they seem to use a Windows PE way of installing the O/S with all it's garbage files, is there a way to seperate what is PE and what is the actual O/S?
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As it's next to impossible to obtain the actual MCE edition, that would be difficult at best to obtain to be able to perform a slipstream of if there's not a way to grab what I need from the HDD or compile the CD's somehow to grab it. And after spending absurd ammounts on these systems, which are supposed to have full versions of the O/S with them on CD, (per M$ rules,) I don't feel as if I should have to fork out another $200 for each copy Home I have, as well, to obtain a copy I can upgrade to SP2 to put back on there.
Since their keys wont work with other "real" versions of OEM XP then I am screwed unless I can get what I need from these installs to perform the upgrades I want. Otherwise I would just borrow a CD with OEM home/MCE on it to get what I want.
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If you have questions about something that is written on paul's site, I reccomend sending him an email or checking out his forum's as they probably have already been answered there...But yes doing this it should allow for you to install Windows without the use of the floppys to install, if you are using a full version of XP with/without a SP installed, as long as you have performed the process properly.
From what I can tell you used one program to burn the disk with, while looking at the directions from another. My reccomendation, once you have made your slipstream, go to the link I gave above, get the files for the O/S version your using, XP PRO, MCE, and TE, all use the CDImage_Pro, and for Home, you use the CDImage_Home. Using it by it's included directions, you should be able to make an ISO file. IF you don't already have it, I suggest you find DVDDecrypter from it's dot com site and download the latest version of it. There is directions there as well as on this site, (not to mention 1000's of others,) that tell how to use it's ISO feature. Open the ISO file you made with it, and burn that file to CD/DVD and reboot to it, it should work just fine if you don't encounter any errors with the program. Should you encounter any errors with it, I reccommend looking in the forums for DVDDecrypter at it's site first, and shooting a response out there first before trying another site for the answer. The guy who writes DVDDecrypter spends a lot of time answering posts there on his own, though he doesn't always get to them all, he has others there that pretty much know what is going on to help him out when he's not available. For a free program, this has got to be one of the best supported around that I have used, besides Shareaza.
Anyways, it's rather quick and painless as I have since used it to burn many an ISO to CD/DVD so far. His settings are really easy to understand, and the program is rather configurable, such as the ability to pull DVD's from store bought copies, which I wont go into on here, but even that is possible from it, as that was it's main purpose to begin with. Once you burn the CD/DVD it should work without errors when you load it up. Next time I reccomend using the directions that are abundant from this site as to how to go about doing slipstreams/unattended installs.
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No prob. Check out my .NET SP1 installer too
Been OTLO 4 it, but haven't seen it, maybe I was looking in the wrong place?!?
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yes, basically, it's not from M$ from what I gather, but one which is equivilant.
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My solution would be to purchase a gateway/router which can be picked up for less than $100 U.S., and solve 90% of your problems, if not 100%.
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YQW glad to be of whatever assistance.
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No thanks, I am not ready for M$ to control my DRM yet, don't much care for it being integrated into WMP9 but at least it's still able to be cut out of it in v9. Besides, the last beta of it worked like crap on all my test systems, so I will stick with v9 till I have to upgrade, then I more than likely will go another route, as I am not impressed with being told where and how I can listen to my purchases.
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Just go here: Finalising your Unattended XP CD and download the files you need there, you don't need the M$ version, it also compiles your XPCD to an ISO file for you so it's ready to burn to CD/DVD, which you can do with DVDDecrypter, Nero, or the like. You can also just pull that file from the download for CDImage_Pro/Home (*dependant on your version of XP*) which is on that page.
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You installed SP2 on it...lol
Seriously, which version of SP2 are you using?
What steps did you take to install SP2?
Which particular drivers are we talking about? (I am assuming video, but need to be sure.)
Finally, what are the exact errors your getting in these blue screens? Need in particular what it says as far as any codes, (0x000000,etc) as well as if it gives any particular information, (device driver from ATI caused page fault,) if available.
Also, did you try to F8 prior to booting into Windows and upgrading/reinstalling your video card drivers?
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Not sure if this has been asked and answered before here, but doing a search of HP backup turned up nothing I was looking for. Basically, I want to do a back up of an HP computer so as to have a full DVD of all of the files etc prior to booting it up for the first time, once that is done it seperates the files and puts some on the newly created "C:\Pavilion" partition while leaving the rest on the "D:\Recovery" partition. What I am trying to do is make a full backup of my XPHome/XPMCE so I can add the SP2/2004 upgrade to it prior to installing it, since the only disks I seem to be able to get from HP are multiple CD's with the full backup on it, not the actual disks from M$ with the O/S on it, then all the B.S. extras that they include with the system on seperate CD's, everything is combined. Since it's this way, I was looking at incorporating SP2/2004 upgrade into the "D:\Recovery" partition prior to initial boot so I don't have to do it later everytime I have to "recover" their crappy installs, due to file deletions of unnecessary crap they install on their systems. My final result will be I will replace their crappy software with software of my choice on this DVD with the slipstreamed version of XPSP2/2004 to include on future "recoveries". Though I could attempt to purchase another copy of the operating system, I got screwed by HP by buying their crappy systems and not being given a copy of the actual software on CD's when I purchased the systems. Had I known this at the time, I wouldn't have purchased their crap to begin with, but now I am stuck and need a reasonable solution. I have the disks to replace both the XPhome/MCE editions back on these computers but I want to consolidate them into a DVD with the incorporated SP/software of my choice.
TIA for any assistance that can be given on this subject.
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I only noticed those in the reg file after I went and copied it from Regedit after installing SP2, they were already that way except the netfx one. That I changed to 1 later, wondering if that will allow for the installation, if done in a reg file when installing.
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You can do the same thing using CDImage_Pro/Home from this website, it already has the boot.img file that you need, you wont have to do the extraction of the Windows version, but as mentioned you can extract it using the utility that they metion from any M$ boot disk, such as with an operating system on one of their disks. I too have a copy of it, if the board allows for and doesn't violate M$ rules for transferring this.
You can pick up CDImage_Pro/Home here:Finalising your Unattended XP CD
FWIW: Might I also add, I personally use DVDDecrypter to burn the ISO's that this makes and it does a wonderful job it, now that I have DVDDecrypter figured out. I have also used ElaberateBytes version of Daemon Tools type tool, (not the same company, but ElaberateBytes is much easier imo and free,) and it works really well for use with .ISO's as well. Though I have yet to use it in a VM, as I have yet to find a VM that is free and I can't afford any of the others on a more permanent basis, my trials have all worn themselves out.
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My problem is using netbios ipx/spx to a Panther based computer while networking, I cannot see the Mac nor will the Mac see my XP based computers. Only way I can see the printers between my XP and Mac based computers is to put the XP machines in an unsecured simple file sharing mode, otherwise the Mac wont see the XP and XP wont see the Mac, is there any way of getting around this without having to resort to using a third party utility such as Dave? I thought that Panther was able to do Netbios IPX/SPX, is this not so? How else can I do it without having to share the printers using the unsecure Simple File Sharing? I only want to be able to share my files/printer behind the lan, not with the entire world, preferrably without having to purchase 3rd party software to do so. All XP based computers have SP2, I also have a trial copy of Server 2003, if I can somehow use the Apple transport off of it on the XP machines. All XP machines that need this capability are Professional versions.
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Looks like you have really messed up your installation process. The following is my reccomendations:
1. It looks as if you have several drives, I would recommend that you put Windows 9x on one of them, if you have to, reformat it and reinstall it and it's applications, though you should be able to just move everything to it, if it's not already there, (unless you suspect that it's messed up,) you can safely do this within XP, though this step may not be necessary. Especially if it's already on it's own drive and it's not messed up in any way.
2. Once you have your Windows 9x on a seperate drive, (or partition if you so choose, though directions here will be assuming seperate drive,) unplug that drive from your system as well as it's power cables, only that drive. Install Windows XP to one of the other drives, (I recommend the one that you installed it to previously and wipe it out, (make sure you have already backed up all the files you want to keep on it first though,) you can do this as you install it, (if you have an upgrade only version you just need to put in a CD of a previous version of windows for verification,) When you get to the screen where it asks where you want to install Windows to, use the "D" option to remove all previous installations from that HDD, once that is done, create, ("C" option,) your new partition, (you can use the full hdd by just clicking on that newly deleted full partition and hitting "Enter",) I reccommend using between 20-30GB of that hdd for your Windows XP installation. Once that is done finish installing Windows to that newly created partition by clicking on it and hitting "Enter", I also reccomend using NTFS instead of Fat32 for the format here.
3. Once Windows XP has installed and you are into the desktop for the first time, (this is assuming you have made a partition for your XP installation,) you can go into Start->Control Panel->Computer Management->Disk Management and find the empty area that is still unformatted, and click on it, then either partition it further or just format it, (I am assuming your going to use the rest of the space and just format it,) using NTFS, unless you need to access it with Win 9x, then do it with Fat32 instead.
4. Reboot, make sure you can still get into Windows XP without any problems, then shut it down. Plug the Windows 9x drive back in and start back up, you should now see two options "Boot to Windows XP" and "Boot To Windows" You can boot to either drive from here, check out them both to make sure you have no more problems, if you do, it will be on the drive with Windows 9x on it, which requires either a reformat of it, or removal of it altogether. Your programs that you used with Windows 9x may or may not work with XP, all you would have to do is reinstall them in XP, and use the rt click option to get to the properties of the installer so you can change the Program Compatibility to Windows 9x for installation. This doesn't work on all programs though! The ones it will work on, will install and be usable within Windows XP. One more note on this subject, you may have to install them from the hdd instead of their CD's, which will require you to make a seperate folder on one of your hdd's to do the installations from.
I know this is long winded and there are other ways to do this, some are more favorable than others, this is the most definative way of fixing your mess up. It has happened to me in the past as well, and I found that just doing this worked best of all. Different people will have different results with various other ways, as none of the other ways was satisfactory for me, this was the way I did it, and will in the future. As messing around with the boot sectors on the hdd are out of the question for me, and changing the MBR is too hazardous for my tastes, so I let the software do it itself. If your reformatting the whole drive over, I reccomend using the software that comes from the manufacturer of the drive and doing a full erase of all the sectors, which will restore it to new and clear out any MBR additions that will be there from previous attempts on that drive. IF you have data that your not wanting to have erased from a partition on that drive either move it or, do not do the above as it will wipe out everything you put on that drive.
As I mentioned these are my suggestions, there are other ways of doing this, but this is the safest way I know how to make sure that you only have one of both operating systems. IF your trying to just upgrade your Windows9x then maybe someone else can point you to where you can find instructions on doing that, or you can just wipe it out entirely as well and start with a blank slate, even with an upgrade only CD of Windows XP, as all you need is the prior O/S's CD for recognition that it's there to do the upgrade, this can either be in a secondary CD drive, as long as both are connected to the system when doing the installation, or as a swap in an only CD drive setup.
HTH
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@DisabledTrucker - Not sure about the netfxocm.inf change. You should give it a try and let us know.
I will as soon as I am able to finish rebuilding my XPSP2 DVD.
I would be willing to attempt it, but I have no idea as how to go about doing file comparisons, without having to resort to looking at each file individually and writing them down with all their differences, I heard there is a program to do this, I just dont know what it's called or how to use it. Surely once I found out what has been changed, I can compare the two and make a combined version of them with the SP to version 1.1 included, as well at the update to version 2.As for the cab files in 1.1, they are a different format than those of 1.0. They could be made similar, but that means someone would have to do it. Along with that, I'm sure the netfxocm.inf will also have to be edited, since it has all the regkeys, and locations of where the files go.If you did a SP2 slipstream, you can find the netfx.cab file on the root of the xp cd, in cmponents/dotnet folder.I knew where to find the files, just wondered if anyone else had tried doing what I mentioned as of yet?
Edit: Think I may have found a registry key that may allow for installing the one on the disk at installation, take a look at the included Setup.reg file for more info.
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WoW! This thread has gone a lot further than I ever thought it would, thanks to RyanVM again for making something wonderful out of it! Great of you to make an unattended version that can easily be downloaded and inserted into installations. Thanks again!
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I like quoting that one best...rofl
As jacmatsu still hasn't grasped the fine art of "Search", or "Google".
Installing WinXP Pro. problem.
in Windows XP
Posted · Edited by DisabledTrucker
You only need to change the Master/Slave/Cable Select setting if you have more than one hdd on the same IDE controller. For example, if you have a hdd on IDE 1 and a CD and a DVD on IDE 2, then you don't need it. IF you have two hdd's on IDE 1 and a CD and a DVD on IDE 2, then you would need to make sure that one of the hdd's are set to master and one to slave or both to cable select, if your not sure what your doing. Usually you'd want the drive you have your copy of the O/S on, on drive 1 and the other your using either for a secondary O/S or data backups/etc on drive 2 and Drive 1 would be the master and Drive 2 would be it's slave.
Most times, when I have a problem with both drives being set to Master only one drive will work and the other on the slave portion of the cable wont even be recognized, though this may not be the same with all motherboards. To find out if they are being seen correctly or not, look in your bios, (hit either F1 or Del more than likely to access it,) and look there if you see both your hdd's in the initial screen, if not then you have something wrong.
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BTW, if you do have a CD and a DVD on the secondary IDE, then one of them should be set to Master and the other to Slave as well, it's your choice which is which. I would suggest though that you put the one that your writing to on the Master and the one which is a player only on the secondary. If you have a DVD+/-RW and a CD-RW, put the DVD+/-RW on the master and the CD-RW on the slave, even if the CD-RW is faster, you can always use it to install with on either position without any recognizable differences.