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Understood. One consequence of this is the likelihood of posters confining themselves to as few threads as possible because it means less work backing up the comments. That brings up something else. We used to be able to select the amount of comments displayed per page. From my now locked thread full of details of IPB issues ... Can you please find out what the story is with this option? This rollback nonsense is a perfect example of why it is nice to have the large option of 150 per page, it makes archiving simple and finding old or missing items is a breeze. Missing this choice is still the main problem IMHO.

;;;;;; THIS WAS A POST LOST IN THE ROLLBACK ... Steve Ballmer is Going to Frickin' Retire From Microsoft! ( Mini-Microsoft 2013-08-23 ) Mini-Microsoft is back for another post after a 9 month hiatus since the Sinofsky firing ( see that important thread here here ). Read through it for yourself ( 162 comments so far ) because it is very interesting. The comments are mostly from Softies and ex-Softies ( certainly a few more ex-Softies than in the past ). There's a lot to learn from the inside from mostly non-sycophantic non-MicroZealots. One overwhelming common theme is that along with Ballmer, the majority seem to want the following people to leave with him and not be considered as his replacement ... Lisa BrummelKevin TurnerJulie Larson GreenTerry MyersonMore than a few commenters are expecting a "coming purge" before Ballmer exits. Favorite quote so far ... Also prominently mentioned is the infamous Stack Ranking review system, a real morale buster if there ever was one.

;;;;;; THIS WAS A POST LOST IN THE ROLLBACK ... This article deserves special mention as its reporting seems to fit the available evidence ... Ballmer forced out after $900M Surface RT debacle ( ComputerWorld 2013-08-23 ) From that same article comes a good comment ... Sounds plausible. EDIT: fixed spacing

;;;;;; THIS WAS A POST LOST IN THE ROLLBACK ... Incomplete Roundup of articles about Steve Ballmer's future exit ... BILLION DOLLAR BALLMER: Microsoft chief makes $1bn simply by quitting Hmm, what could I do to boost the value of my stock portfolio? ( UK Register 2013-08-23 )Ballmer's emotional farewell to Redmond: I LOVE THIS COMPANY 'I look forward to continuing as one of Microsofts largest owners' Heh heh ( UK Register 2013-08-23 )Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to Retire in 2014 ( Paul Thurrott 2013-08-23 )Ballmer forced out after $900M Surface RT debacle ( ComputerWorld 2013-08-23 )Update: Microsoft CEO Ballmer to retire in 12 months ( ComputerWorld 2013-08-23 )Is Ballmer's Retirement a Prelude to a Microsoft Split-Up? ( Dvorak PC Magazine 2013-08-23 )Ballmer's Biggest Hits and Misses at Microsoft ( PC Magazine 2013-08-23 )Microsoft: The Steve Ballmer Years ( PC Magazine 2013-08-23 )Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer will retire within the next 12 months, special committee begins search for a successor ( TechSpot 2013-08-23 )No More Funny Faces: Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to Retire Within a Year, Seeks Successor ( Maximum PC 2013-08-23 )Timeline of Steve Ballmer's Past 33 Years at Microsoft ( Tom's Hardware 2013-08-23 )Steve Ballmer to Retire as CEO of Microsoft ( Tom's Hardware 2013-08-23 )Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire in the next 12 months ( NeoWin 2013-08-23 )Microsoft stock surges after Ballmer announces retirement plans ( NeoWin 2013-08-23 )Here is Ballmer's email telling his employees he is retiring ( NeoWin 2013-08-23 )Here are some people who could take over the CEO spot at Microsoft ( NeoWin 2013-08-23 )Microsoft: Planning for Ballmer's departure began three to four years ago ( NeoWin 2013-08-23 )Ballmer's biggest regret while CEO was Vista's 'loopedy-loo' ( NeoWin 2013-08-23 )From The Forums: Neowin reader posts 'campaign ads' for Microsoft's next CEO ( NeoWin 2013-08-23 )Steve Ballmer's retirement letter to Microsoft employees ( PC World 2013-08-23 )Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer to retire within 12 months ( PC World 2013-08-23 )Microsoft's next CEO: Let's handicap the candidates ( PC World 2013-08-23 )Steve Ballmer's wackiest, craziest, downright funniest moments at Microsoft ( PC World 2013-08-23 )Beyond Ballmer: who will be Microsoft's next CEO? ( The Verge 2013-08-23 )Steve Ballmer to retire, Ben Affleck is Batman, and 'Star Wars Episode VII': 90 Seconds on The Verge ( The Verge 2013-08-23 )Steve Ballmer to retire as Microsoft CEO ( The Verge 2013-08-23 )Microsoft's Ballmer on his biggest regret, the next CEO and more ( ZDNet 2013-08-23 )Microsoft's Ballmer: Why Microsoft doesn't want to be IBM (or Apple) and more ( ZDNet 2013-08-23 )Let's note for the record that Paul Thurrott's often cited 'sources inside Microsoft once again left him high and dry as they did for the Sinofsky firing ( and Xbox backtracking and many other things ). Why should we put much weight into all your 'insider' articles? Hmmm? Still no Sinofsky interview from Paul nor a single explanation of his exit to this day.

;;;;;; THIS WAS A POST LOST IN THE ROLLBACK ... Several stories sure to get lost in the wake of Ballmer's announcement ... Report: US government expanding bribery probe involving Microsoft ( NeoWin 2013-08-22 ) Remember this story from back in March? Despite the cries from NeoWhiners it is still in play. Report: Microsoft Surface Touch Cover prices cut to $79.99 on Aug. 30 ( NeoWin 2013-08-22 ) Oh man! Another cut, errr I mean another tiny reduction. I thought they wrote off a bunch of Surface expenditures, so why the little baby steps? These keyboards should be free with the unit. Who was the genius that thought that shipping a tablet without a cover was a good idea anyway? The first batch of Jolla's Sailfish smartphones have all been spoken for ( TechSpot 2013-08-22 ) Another competitor birthed thanks to Microsoft and Nokia. Thank you Microsoft and Nokia. Ubuntu Edge smartphone is dead, but lower-end variants still in the cards ( TechSpot 2013-08-22 ) They failed to meet their crowd source funding goal. One must wonder what the he!! is wrong with Canonical and Shuttleworth to first set such an insane challenge as raising $32 million in a month! Are there no corporate suits that even possess a brain in their fat heads? Then, they seem to have failed to even entertain a Plan-B which should have been about procuring a deal with a deep pocketed philanthropist, bank financing, or digging into their own pockets. Seriously, you have to wonder if this idi0t Shuttleworth even wanted this to succeed. With Microsoft's daily screwups he should be capitalizing on all manner of opportunities. For Linux to not gain new traction at this juncture is criminal and demonstrates negligence on the part of Canonical. They should be busy making deals to fill some of the XP retirement vaccuum. Stunning mismanagement IMHO.

Yeah, I can think of at least one post that was lost from this thread: the one where you explained to me how to insert a video into a reply. (Thank you for that BTW, now I only wish I'd saved the information!) Oh, wait. Didn't you have another set of long (and, as usual, fantastic) posts giving headlines and links from around the tech world on a variety of topics of interest to this thread? And come to think of it, I may have lost did lose a post or two of my own. This has been happening so often lately that we're going to have to make saving our posts (in Notepad, Outlook, etc.) a regular part of the posting routine. Otherwise, it's very discouraging to spend time crafting a post and putting its elements together, and then having it vanish into thin air. These problems with forum software may end up doing more damage to the Forum (in terms of traffic and membership) than any bad publicity, scandal, or badmouthing could hope to accomplish. --JorgeA EDIT: Figured out which posts of mine were lost during the latest Forum maintenance. Damage indeed. Prior to the IPB "upgrade" I noticed over a thousand views per day just on this very thread. It has been sliced in half. I would like to know if this is a typical Invision IPB screwup or if it lies in the crappy Microsoft SQL backend. Could go either way really, with this horrifically buggy editor that IPB has foisted on their customers and Microsoft's penchant for cloud errors. For a technical forum it is irresponsible for the backend to lose content. This is not an instant messenger or a social situation. It is closer to a MSKB style reference. It all really serves to highlight the absurdity of cloud-based anything. It is a disaster. I've often said that NuMicrosoft should never be allowed to supply software or cloud services to anything important, especially defense or medical scenarios. It is suicide really. You want Skynet or WarGames? Give Microsoft the contract. You want to destroy the health-care system further? Give Microsoft the contract. You want an unreliable technical forum? It looks like all you have to do is give the contract to Invision.

Definitely some lost posts here. Does anyone have a copy of the thread before the most recent rollback?

"Portable software" means software designed/modified to be as independent from your physical computer as possible, as many software dependencies as possible are kept local with respect to the executing program in its physical directory structure. So for example, if it is ran from a flash drive the dependencies and saved settings are kept there with it, not leaving footprints on any "host" machine that the flashdrive is used in ( in settings files or the registry or placing its own system files into the host ). Naturally there are dependencies to an operating system that cannot be portable, the API that the software requires is expected to be present in the host operating system, and if software is written to be more neutral or version agnostic ( Windows "platform" based based rather than Windowws "version" based ) then you have a better chance of it working in older operating systems. But Microsoft has been busy destroying the concept of a generic Windows "platform" for a very long time ( heavily since Vista, but also some examples from even earlier ) and they have been doing this by adding and promoting new features to new versions of Windows that when implemented by the software author ( usually through the development tools ) makes him a party to planned obsolescence wittingly or unwittingly. Microsoft also deprecates features of older operating systems that breaks existing older software when used on newer Windows, for example HLP files and CHM files and so on. For a new browser to work on Win9x, portable or not, it must use only Windows APIs present on the entire Windows platform from then to now. In this day and age it means they would have to author the software in a tool/IDE/compiler that respects that, Visual Studio up to version 6 or so, or Delphi to around 2006 ( I believe ). Then there is the 16-32-64 bit conundrum, another advancement that Microsoft capitalized on in order to further its planned obsolescence. 64-bit Windows drops 16-bit support killing any software that has 16-bit API functions. And since 64-bit support is obviously not present on 32-bit Windows it means that for software using the Microsoft designed 64-bit methodology there is no graceful fallback to 32-bit APIs which are obviously present. This was intentional. It pushed the workload requirement to the author to be responsible enough to compile a separate version for 32-bit Windows if they chose to, and obviously not everyone will choose to. Planned obsolescence by capitalizing on the laziness of the software author. At the chip level, Intel has implemented the ( ironically ) AMD designed x64 extension so that physically a CPU is perfectly backwards compatible to 16-32-64 bit operations, it is the operating system that is broken, again, by design. In a perfect world the compiler would generate code that falls back to whatever level hardware is present. No 64-bit registers? Then use 32. No MMX or SSE or SSE4 or whatever? Then fallback to previous. No Direct-X 11? use 10, etc ( or OpenGL ). This is the biggest failing Microsoft has perpetrated. Their development tools, and those of me-too 3rd parties are evolving into "today-only" tools, again, by design. Thus, Windows is hardly a platform these days, but is instead a moment in time. It used to be you would break down software by Mac or Windows or something else ( "this requires Windows" ), and this is exactly how Microsoft became huge and successful with Win3x and the promise of a standardized "Windows platform". And it carried through the Win9x years. Then they became evil. "This software requires Vista 64". Software that requires a specific version of an operating system is well on the road to the walled garden model. It lets Microsoft dictate what people run on their own computers even though that computer contains a CPU capable of running almost anything ever written in the x86 universe back from 1980 to 2013. Rant over ( for now ). Oh, yes there are many sites for "portable" software. These are our modern heroes in my opinion. I'll let others give their own suggestions but for starters visit: PortableApps.com and PortableFreeware.com. EDIT: typo

By any chance do you have the lost posts from this thread?

Not again! Another rollback losing posts?

Did we just lose a bunch of posts?

It is connected wirelessly to a router by an usb antenna. She uses Norton but I used Malware bytes to remove the viruses. (The firewall is a router firewall and windows 7 firewall) Check the firmware settings that the router firewall is actually enabled and for manually opened ports. Or you can re-flash it or reset it and start over. Either way you need to drag a fine-toothed comb through the router settings. It helps to search the exact model in Google for administration tips. And make sure you disabled universal PnP on the router and also the service in Windows ( this is one way for router ports to be opened from software despite the router ). Oh yeah, make sure she is not using an Admin account. The Windows firewalls are crap but better than nothing I guess. From an Admin account on her PC, check for exclusions ( these are easily added by software ). P.S. Remember that if you remove Norton or McAfee ( in order to install something else ) to use their specific cleaners after the normal uninstall.

Well that came from nowhere. He was supposed to hang on for several years IIRC. While I was watching NASDAQ yesterday go offline and suspend trading I kept wondering if Microsoft was involved somehow ( in the buggy software behind the scenes ). We'll see how this factors in today. EDIT: both stories: Ballmer and the NASDAQ errors are being discussed on CNBC.

What Microsoft believes is truly irrelevant now. They used to be able to strong-arm when there was lots of competition between OEMs, but that is over in the retail channel. Lenovo is the only big box maker routinely operating in the black ink and that is largely because it is China with slave labor and a huge barely tapped market nearby. If Microsoft wants to threaten them they will suffer huge consequences. I encourage them to try. Most importantly, their secret agreements saying what is "allowed" are not worth the paper they are written on. Never were. A lot of the fanboys in those threads about Pokki are confusing Microsoft with Apple. These machines are not Microsoft computers, they did not build them. Microsoft is the vendor, the 3rd party OS provider. They have no say in what the actual 1st party OEM builder installs. They have no more right to tell them not to install Pokki than telling them to not allow dual-booting Linux or anything else. If they think they can dictate what is installed then I encourage them to once again try some more of their patented back-room shenanigans as in the past, which would bring down the wrath of the Chinese government and other governments in any country that Lenovo ships to. The fact that there are so many MicroZealots and MetroTards in those comments saying "Microsoft should not allow ..." speaks volumes about the brainwashing that they have perpetrated on the public. They actually believe the world revolves around Microsoft. I got news for them. Even if Microsoft chose to exercise the only power they do possess by canceling the contract and NOT supplying Windows, they would only succeed in accelerating the move away towards Linux or Android or something else entirely. Microsoft has to thread a needle now because their leverage is vanishing. This is why they are switching to the nebulous cloud and services thing in the first place. Lenovo to preload Start menu replacement on Windows 8 machines ( TechSpot 2013-08-22 ) SweetLabs to have its Pokki Windows 8 Start menu installed on all Lenovo PCs ( NeoWin 2013-08-22 )

Wow, awesome report FF! So how many Surface and WP units do they need to sell before that Berlin location will turn a profit? The interior design looks expensive, rent must be astronomical, the electricity there is not cheap, they are spending tons on marketing, if I had to guess this is the ultimate loss leader ever imagined.

Yep, I was thinking the exact same thing. Unless it is a well thought-out disinformation post he is admitting he is not a Softie, yet. He'll need to edit a couple of comments before his interview though.

Speaking of 'Tard lessons, check out Dot MetroTard himself actually badmouthing his beloved master in this thread ... Windows 8 and Hyper-V Read through it before he edits it!

Facial Scanning Is Making Gains in Surveillance ( New York Times 2013-08-21 ) Government Perfects Crowd-Scanning Facial Recognition Tech for Use by Your Local Cops ( BetaBeat 2013-08-21 ) It's simple to see where this is going. Imagine a live feed of a crowd of people, the technician moves the mouse over a face and on another screen pops up the dossier on that person. The screen shows past email and blog posts, political affiliation, spending habits, address and cell number. It's a brave new world. Secret court 'troubled' by NSA surveillance, ruled illegal ( ZDNet 2013-08-21 ) NSA collected thousands of US communications ( Associated Press 2013-08-21 ) So the Star Chamber court throws us a bone to placate the critics, big deal. It's something they got down to a science - distraction. US court rules masking IP address to access blocked Website violates law ( SJVN ZDNet 2013-08-21 ) Sorry! You can't even attempt to disguise yourself! One of those wonderful precedents put in place to pave the way for the next bite into privacy. Expect executive orders or new laws to outlaw all manner of spoofing and privacy itself. The NSA's phony national firewall proposal ( ZDNet 2013-08-21 ) This was one of the tricks they were gonna play on the sheeple. Set up a trillion dollar program and then showcase a few "successes" with malware or music copying or child porn as justification for a Chinese firewall! Don't do us any godam favors huh! Leave us the frig alone. Anyone else seeing a thread running through all this stuff? I'd say all the conspiratorial talk for decades of OWG ( one world government ) and NWO ( new world order ) has kinda arrived now. Except, the thing is really about all existing governments simultaneously jumping in to the use the empowering technolgy citizens pioneered for communication to instead preserve their own power. It is less about the "Internet" and Intellectual Property though. In fact it appears that these technologies which could be used to protect people from their rogue governments are in the process of of being hijacked for use by governments to protect themselves from their citizens. The New Zealand story shows how precedents here in the USA trickle down to the farthest corners of the planet and we can just imagine politicians down under saying "Hey, we gotta get in on this too, we'll just say it's to prevent terrorism". Expect some carefully timed but vaguely defined thwarted attack to be used to grease the skids for later "advances" in your national security. I doubt ( but cannot rule out ) the NWO or OWG stereotype of a smoky backroom filled with Bilderbergs making international policy, but what's the d*mn difference if the outcome is really the same. The most dangerous thing so far is one government using another for its black bag ops ( The UK smashing computers for the USA ) so they get plausible deniability against scrutiny at home while achieving their aims abroad. We're not just gonna need a new "Internet" but a whole new paradigm shift. At least we have the theoretical possibility here in the USA where we can in any 6-year interval replace all 537 elected members of the federal bureaucracy, we just gotta get the sheeple to wake up. You folks elsewhere have it much worse, but maybe, just maybe it would trickle down despite the entrenched establishment. EDIT: fixed spacing

On the "Security" front ... UK Tried to Stop Snowden Stories by Smashing Hard Drives ( Tom's Hardware 2013-08-21 ) The UK gestapo doing the bidding of their USA commanders. I won't comment on the lack of a First and Fourth Amendment over there, but from our point of view a government that gets another government to do to their press what would be clearly illegal here, is an out of control government, period. Privacy concerns cause 'PJ' to close Groklaw ( SJVN ZDNet 2013-08-21 ) Comments from SJVN on this unfortunate story. His comments are good because he knows her personally and they have overlapping interests. New Details Show Broader NSA Surveillance Reach ( Wall Street Journal 2013-08-20 ) The NSA is capable of monitoring 75 percent of U.S. Internet traffic ( TechSpot 2013-08-21 ) NSA can monitor 75% of internet traffic ( NeoWin 2013-08-21 ) And they got all the way to 75% without telling the citizens a thing! That last 25%, which is probably more like 10% will be quite simple for them to achieve if the sheeple don't wake up. Controversial new spy law passes final reading ( TVNZ 2013-08-21 ) Spy law passed in New Zealand ( ZDNet 2013-08-21 ) What a terrible law, just read it. Our friends down under have managed to match us point by point and then exceed it. It's almost as if all governments of the world are racing to join a club of spies. Why would they all do that I wonder?

Free Surface RT tablets for schools: Should kids have to use what adults don't want? ( ComputerWorld 2013-08-21 ) <--- Headline Award Winner! Microsoft launches ad-free Bing For Schools; takes another shot at Google ( NeoWin 2013-08-21 ) Microsoft launches ad-free Bing for Schools, will award free Surface RT tablets in exchange for using its search engine ( TechSpot 2013-08-21 ) Microsoft offers schools free Surface RTs as Bing search rewards ( ZDNet 2013-08-21 ) Personally I hate that any of these companies are targeting kids under the guise of education. This is certifiable child abuse. Or at the least stealth marketing. Facebook bug hunter paid $10K by community, not company ( ZDNet 2013-08-21 ) The researcher who hacked Zuckerberg's page to get rewarded but not from Facebook ( NeoWin 2013-08-21 ) How about that last quote from a primary partner in the government spying! Hypocritical scum. Facebook CEO Reveals Plan to Connect Rest of World ( Tom's Hardware 2013-08-21 ) Mark Zuckerberg Has a Plan to Bring Internet Access to Everyone ( Maximum PC 2013-08-21 ) Zuckerberg outlines plan to connect the next five billion people ( TechSpot 2013-08-21 ) Facebook, Nokia and others form Internet.org to help expand net access ( NeoWin 2013-08-21 ) Zuckerberg's tech partnership to take the internet to the world ( ZDNet 2013-08-21 ) Prior to two months ago this might have been seen as altruism albeit pie in the sky. However, the spying leaks have come and we must ask what the heck is the reason to bring Internet into places that do not have it and perhaps do not want it? It sounds exactly like something that was hatched in a meeting between the spooks and their corporate partners. Big Technology wins because it gets some new customers. Big Brother wins because their reach is extended further and they get Big Technology to do it for them.

Windows 8.1 has not been RTM yet. It is likely it will be after this August 23rd date in this "report" http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-81-final-internal-testing-date-is-august-23rd-rtm-to-follow Its a misnomer (sic) in these articles that refer to MS as "shipping" stuff to OEMs. They don't ship anything anymore by default like they used to. If after something hits RTM you can special order it on physical media, but there is a delay of a few weeks. I don't know why anyone would need to order it since you can just download everything and make your own DVDs and CDs. OEMs to receive another Windows 8.1 build this week ( NeoWin 2013-08-21 ) Yes, I stand corrected, RTM has not occurred yet. And you're right, the "shipping" thing is definitely a misnomer, it's more like locking the code down. So the question becomes, will they hold back RTM ( set for less than a week from now ) and fix the RTC bug in time? This "bug-feature" might not even be Windows Update-able since it is designed into this pOS from the ground up. Meanwhile a little more info on that ... HWBot: Windows 8 benchmark errors don't show up on AMD PCs ( NeoWin 2013-08-21 ) Naturally the excuses are beginning to show up in blaming Intel or drivers or pink elephants. Anything except their beloved Playskool toy operating system.

To be honest I just don't know. I myself have not used an automatic XP update for several years, just the odd manually executed one here and there. I'll keep my eyes out for XP info with regards to this last update fiasco.

I have cleaned up a lot of Vista/7 systems myself. It is as bad or worse than the early XP years. Despite these Vista/7 systems with full CPU consuming antivirus suites, and using standard non-admin accounts, and with automatic Windows Update, there is no end in sight. How did her computer physically connect? Was there a router with working hardware firewall?

Security ... Surveillance concerns bring an end to crusading site Groklaw ( CNet 2013-08-20 ) Groklaw legal site is the latest victim in NSA privacy revelations ( TechSpot 2013-08-20 ) ( already mentioned by Formfiller ) I agree about the Diva description, but it has been an important site. A lot of people are gonna notice. I'm just glad she laid the blame squarely on the feds and email becuase it will likely wake up a few more sheeple. More about the Windows 8 RTC flaw ... Windows 8 bug on overclocked PCs found to alter benchmarks ( TechSpot 2013-08-20 ) Windows 8 Benchmarks Banned on HWBOT Over RTC Issue ( Tom's Hardware 2013-08-20 ) Already we're seeing some rationalizations from MicroZealots. More about the most recent Patch Tuesday ... Microsoft Issued Half a Dozen Problematic Patches Last Tuesday ( Maximum PC 2013-08-20 ) Don't you just love the concept of an automatic ever-changing codebase for my systems, NOT. You go to sleep, wake up, and your are now using a slightly different operating system than the night before. You were in the middle of some important project, tough noogies. The Competition ... ZTE's Firefox OS Phone Already Sold Out on eBay ( Tom's Hardware 2013-08-20 ) ZTE's Open Firefox OS phone sells out over the weekend ( NeoWin 2013-08-20 ) This is just 2,000 total phones sold so far. They are very low spec'd and are 'cloudy' by design but are aimed at the barest entry level and are priced at just $80. Something like this could very easily become a huge player in China and India when all those flip phones are replaced and the hundreds of millions of young people get their first phones. This should be interesting.

From one of the commenters at ExtremeTech comes a pretty good explanation of what's going on. He is responding to a typical MetroTard who said: "I'm sorry, but I've been using Windows 8 since the previews on multiple machines and haven't noticed any problems. And I use these machines heavily for gaming, programming, video editing, etc. I can't help but think this is totally overblown." In other words, "Hey, You must be doing it wrong! My Angry Birds works just fine!". It looks like Microsoft has decoupled the core Windows 8 time routines from the RTC for the purposes of allowing mobile device components to sleep, in effect changing everything from a polling system locked to a common realtime into a floating virtual system where time is fluid. Truly Einsteinian! In fact, it would be simple to diagram a real bad scenario where BCLK underclocking would push the clock back ( 18 seconds in only 5 minutes in the linked article ) so in very short order your event log will have entries that are out of order by time and unless they are serialized this will be a mess that cannot be unraveled. But far worse will be timestamps on files and even NTFS journaling which frankly means the operating system is useless. Even if I haven't described it perfectly correct, one thing is for sure, Workstations and Servers have once again fallen victim to Mobile concerns, as did Aero and other features. The idi0tic ideas from the planners at Microsoft have demonstrated once again that they are developing for the least important use case, forsaking the entire rich history of Windows for the trendy and fleeting market of hipsters. This is a cellphone operating system, plain and simple. Gluing it together with a Workstation is unimaginably stoopid if by doing so you break the Workstation in order to allow the cellphone to operate. If they designed cars, all models would be tiny little high-mileage sh!tmobiles that are so fragile they break if you bump into them and kill the passengers in the smallest accident. One experience for all, indeed. And what did they gain again from this fiasco? 3% marketshare in phones! 300,000 Surfaces versus 14.6 million iPads sold last quarter! Worldwide hatred from their core supporters! It is all playing out exactly as we have said in this thread from the beginning and from what many others have said all over the Internet.