CharlotteTheHarlot

Ah, I see. Thanks. Scratch that one! Still, it seems to be rather difficult to figure out for someone who doesn't know about it... The "Page x of y" doesn't look like a link at all. It appears to be just a static text. It's one of those new fangled trendy bandwagons. Undiscoverability.

I also think that it's probably better to wait for a while until the forum update has been finished completely before creating more advanced custom themes. Nevertheless, you can easily apply some tweaks to the current one to make it at least a little better. [...] I've just removed the fancy background and changed the background colour to the one used in the previous MSFN theme. Through custom CSS you can modify the layout however you like. If the current theme remains unchanged then I'll probably create a separate topic about theming MSFN so that everyone will be able to post their ideas. Agreed. I predict that custom style sheets are the next big growth industry ( following Start Menu replacers ). Look at the quote in this reply, that text color is madness and I find it hard to believe it helps on any smaller form factor device. God save us from fleeting trends and bandwagons.

@CharlotteTheHarlot: It just changed a little... the page count per se isn't there anymore, but instead there is a "Page x of y" and, if you just click on it, the good ol' box opens all right and you actually can type a page number and jump to it, as always. Ah, I see. Thanks. Scratch that one!

So true, Microsoft always seems to be fighting the last war. I guarantee there is some hysterical laughter in Cupertino while they watch Redmond turning the formerly unassailable company upside down in order to dive headfirst into the mobile pool just as the water is draining out smashing their head on the concrete bottom. That's gonna leave a mark.

@Xper ... Thanks for all the quick work! Definitely get some sleep. Note that I am trying to edit the top post to keep status of some of the concerns, I'll repeat a few of them here. IMHO these I think are worth tweaking ... (1) Quote box foreground and background are way too bright. The foreground text ( color: ) is light gray and the background ( background-color: ) is very light gray. Also the quote box header is gray. The difference between previous ( green style ) and now causes the quotes to melt into comment itself, as opposed to being clearly a unique element. If you stand back it almost looks like the old USENET >>> angle bracket mega-nesting. Here is the color scheme I see right now ... 253.253.253 ... #FDFDFD ... Page Background252.252.252 ... #FCFCFC ... Quote Background242.242.242 ... #F2F2F2 ... Quote Header BackgroundOuch, our eyes! Here is what the previous forum style was ... 250.251.252 ... #FAFBFC ... Page Background243.249.246 ... #F3F9F6 ... Quote Background211.233.220 ... #D3E9DC ... Quote Header BackgroundNote that for those last two elements the previous skin alternated colors as quotes became more deeply nested, so those codes I listed only apply to the topmost level.(2) Add some padding-bottom to the quote container. You will notice that in a comment that contains a quote, if the commenter types immediately beneath it then it renders that comment butted right up against the quote box. This padding existed previously so you might just take the same setting from the old style sheet. (3) Please see about returning the user selected # posts displayed per page. Some of us enjoyed using the maximum ( was 150 per page ). (4) The Member Joined field is no longer shown but is probably one of the more useful bits of information. I used it to help easily spot the nightly trolls that bottom post a bunch of threads ( they tend to use images now, so a brand new poster with a bunch of imges made it a certainty ). (5) In the forum Page Navigation there is no longer the ability to click on "14 Pages" ( just an example ) and then enter a specific page number. No issue here, just click on the Page x of x to get the dialog. (6) There is still a tweak needed for Bullet Lists. I believe an adjustment was made but to the line-height rather than padding-bottom or padding-top. This results in equal spacing in both wordwrapped lines and entirely new bullet lines. The wall of text appearance is now gone, but the spacing makes the bulleting irrelevant. Please see Post #2 in this thread. The first example is how it currently looks, the second is manually edited to show how it could look better. EDIT: scratch issue #5.

This is a definite possibility once we exhaust the others. We may be able to get a useful theme added server side. But even before that we should wait to see if Xper tweaks the current one enough. Note that at least Opera lets you use supplemental or replacement style sheets on an ad hoc basis, so your idea is definitely do-able, but redirection is certainly complicated! I'd list that as 3rd on the list of choices overall.

Thanks! I guess we kind of knew it all had to come full circle, right?

I's not necessary related to Metro... Many of the so called "modern" websites seem to use those low contrast themes. Add to that the already small fonts (12 px or even smaller) and the result is just a disaster in terms of accessibility. This website says it all: http://contrastrebellion.com That is a great website, thank you for the link!! Here's a fantastic article that's referenced on that page. Thanks to both of you for these links! Contrast Rebellion :: Low-contrast font color and unreadable texts? To hell with them! Note that the UX Myths site does perpetrate a myth themselves ... Myth #11: You need to redesign your website periodically That is a load of horsecrap. Notice that they never show a clear example of "new design is clearly superior to the original" with users resisting it. It is illogical. I blame Microsoft and their MetroTards for creating this meme. ADDED: I edited the crap out of this reply to make the quoted portion tighter and more legible, to minimal success. Anyone else noticing that because of the uber-bright quote style, that quotations are disappearing into the comment now. And we are drifting back to what looks like USENET era >>> nesting!

Why We Can No Longer Trust Microsoft ( John C. Dvorak PC Magazine 2013-07-12 ) This is a really important point. He's made it once before, quite possibly before anyone else. Good article.

You really have to overdo it, don't you? Just imagine how many kilometers your swiping finger would need to cover on a touch tablet to scroll those 150 posts! It's funny because I thought more people would have been using "maximum" at least at home on giant displays! I guess on a tablet smaller might be better but that is where a selection would come in handy. So I guess it all comes back to the TabletTards. Catering to the lowest common denominator. Why am I reminded of the early days with TABLE WIDTH and other hyper-specific settings that never translated well as screens and resolutions grew? I remember first using 1280x1024 on Windows 95 when most were still on 1024x768 or 800x600. You got all this new space for Windows and stuff but on the Internet almost everything was stuck in miniature with no adjustment. Well, except those that paid attention to the warnings of stubbornly coding HTML for a specific display. History repeats. EDIT: typo

These tags still work. Can you instead name a post where you're seeing this issue so that the staff can try and reproduce it? That would be much more helpful. I'll focus on this later when Xper is done tweaking. But for now there is still a problem with font sizes, and it appears as a rendering difference between the old boardware and the upgrade. The old method, e.g., SIZE=5 is now rendered at just a bit larger than SIZE=3 used to be. SIZE=7 is just a tad larger than what SIZE=5 used to be. In summary, SIZE=5 is too small, etc. Secondarily, the editor now uses PT size in the dialog and then inserts a translated BBcode into the post. I'm not sure why they are using PT size in the dialog, but it is a disconnect from the old way so three mental calculations now must be done. First decide on the PT size, then use a table to decide what it will be inserted as in BB, and finally what it will look like in today's style. Here is the Editor to BBcode Translation ... Font Dialog - BBcode... 08 pt ... size=1... 10 pt ... size=2... 12 pt ... size=3... 14 pt ... size=4... 18 pt ... size=5... 24 pt ... size=6... 36 pt ... size=7... 48 pt ... size=8Now this is hard to determine. Using a non-Scientific first glance it looks like an old SIZE=5 ( pre-upgrade ) would require a SIZE=6.5 today to appear the same. I already tried and that fractional will not work. This will need more research I'm afraid. I can't really comment much on this since a custom theme is in use. Try clearing your cache to allow for any fixes to get applied. Well the issue there was in bullet list line spacing and it created a wall of text. You know how you normally tweak the CSS for UL or OL ( or anything else ) by adjusting the padding-top or bottom? It looked like the default was set to a -negative value. Anyway, it is a moot point because Xper is on the job and already added padding. Please examine post #2. EDIT: word wrap was fine, I had no spaces between chars, so they didn't line break. Anyway, the spacing issue in bullet lists is still a problem. I believe Xper adjusted line height instead of padding-top or bottom. It's there, it's the < > icon in the editor. Hover it and you'll see it says Code. You misunderstood or I was unclear. I mean BBcode view versus WYSIWYG! Now, as it turns out there is also an icon to toggle between BBcode and WYSIWYG. It appears in the editor at the top left. However, as this is one icon WITHOUT a flyout help I completely missed it! Consider this one FIXED. No issues here. Where the cursor blinks is where you're supposed to stay when you type. It's not supposed to go to the top left... Are sure you tried this? Go into a full editor reply box. Hit ENTER a couple of times to make some blank lines. Cursor up a few times and make sure you are at column 1 in the middle of the blank post ( this is just to rule out anything else as a problem ), now do this ... type: test click bold type: test click bold type: test where are you typing? I'm having no issues with the editor here at all. Everything is working fine. Perhaps you should tell us what you're running if you're having all these problems. Running Opera. And it's not "all these problems". I'm just documenting bugs, I'll get more specific and detailed as time permits, please be patient ;-) It appears that the editor is adding in extended ISO HTML entities xxx; at the end of blank lines, but I lost the exact code. It appears as double or triple blank lines instead of one, and worse, it seems each time you hit preview it does a pass through the code and reformats it. Sorry for a less than optimal report at the moment, but I will get back to this. Be patient. An upgrade just happened. You have to remember that people run these forums and it takes time to upgrade and resolve any issues that may appear. Yes, I know and remember that! Thank you. And for yourself Tarun, please don't mistake nuisances, bug reports, complaints about IPB or suggestions as impatience, bcause none is implied!

The topic description was actually removed years ago. The key reasons were because 1. They were either never used, and 2. They were redundant topic titles when used. As a fellow webmaster who also used this board software, I agree completely with the decision to remove them. Both of their points were very valid. IMHO neither of those are great points because (1) they were in fact sometimes used and (2) they would not be "redundant" unless they repeated the title. Most often they add a little extra flavor to the name of thread, some extra info or even humor. It is a trivial little thing yes, but neither of the things you mentioned IMHO. How exactly is this a problem? You've got the default settings. ( NOTE: since this post originally appeared, the # posts per page has changed from 20 to 25 ) This is a user preference, so trying to explain it to someone who apparently has another personal preference is a fools errand. But I can tell you how it can be very useful. Mine has always been set to maximum which I believe was 150 posts per page. Consequently when participating in a forum thread you can press CTRL-F and instantly search the page ( 150 posts which likely cover a substantial large period of time ) for earlier posts, links, information, whatever. Finding something earlier would mean clicking the previous page which gives 150 more posts, and so on. When saving the current page you wind up only having 24 pages to archive 3600 posts. It also cuts down on repeat posts or similar scenarios where something we should have seen has scrolled off the current page, for example on an active thread, 20 posts might be one or two days and an ongoing conversation likely spans several pages. Now on the other hand, this trendy nonsense all around the Internet of displaying a handful of posts at a time results in so many extra page loads it is ridiculous. I suppose it might run up the page views for ad purposes but it is a pain nonetheless. The worst part I believe is that we lose sight of the difference between a technical forum and an instant messenger or Twitter type thing, the former is beloved by techies and the latter by short attention span consumers. Neither is right or wrong and this is precisely why having the choice of # posts per page is accommodating. So, can we have an option for 150 posts per page again? Yes it is... Click your Username at the top right and then click My Settings. You mean Top Left? And this did not work yesterday. Specifically, if you clicked on your picture, then you got sent to your profile page ( as if you were another member viewing your page ), but at this point you could not get back inside your profile, to "My Settings". It was kind of locked out. But I understand it is in transition, and I think this one is now FIXED. xper just made these upgrades. Give him time. If you don't like the theme you could also try to make one and submit it. Yes, I got that. Read my Post #6. Let me clarify ... this thread is not about impatience! It is merely about explaining and listing bugs and things! Most of all, it is not aimed at Xper or MSFN. What you said about creating a theme is intriguing though! Can you please elaborate? Doing such a thing now while in transition would be impatient, but after a period of time it might be an idea. Can you come back later with some example themes? Is it merely a style sheet? Nothing at all wrong with the default theme. It's crisp, clean, and has a nice professional look. It's also much lighter so that it will load faster and perform better. I really don't understand why you're complaining and nitpicking so excessively much over changes that help the website overall. Less things to load means faster page loadtimes and less stress on the server. Many things are styled with CSS and look better than png/gif images. ( NOTE: there have been substantial changes since yesterday, the current theme is far from the one I described in the top post ) First of all, please don't confuse feedback with "complaining and nitpicking", which is the defensive stance taken by someone who feels they are personally under attack. That's the kind of thing I expect from NuMicrosoft these days. We're strictly talking about IPB here, not MSFN or Xper, or you. Now, the sudden jarring visual change ( the one seen yesterday ) may very well appear crisp and clean and professional to you, but it is obviously very subjective! The inverse that this opinion would seem to imply is that MSFN as seen two days ago must have been less-crisp and dirty and unprofessional? I'd argue it was none of those things! All kidding aside, this love affair with blaring white, and proto-HTML gray is dumbing down the public. Back then it really was all about page load times and reducing burdens but things have changed just a bit in 20 years. I fully agree that "Many things are styled with CSS and look better than png/gif images." it is my main point. Using CSS can make a great visual page but it begs the question, why are so many webslingers screwing it all up? Also, I'm not sure if anyone else can confirm this but right at this moment, pageloads are much slower than previous days and weeks. So on the face of it, this new lightweight theme has not in fact proved its mettle. These badges will come back. xper's working on it. Looks like that is already FIXED as well. ( continued ... )

Microsoft Helps Retailers Dump Surface RT Inventory with $150 Price Cut ( Maximum PC 2013-07-12 ) Microsoft Surface RT getting $150 price cut starting this weekend ( TechSpot 2013-07-12 ) Report: Microsoft cutting price of Surface RT models by $150 (Update) ( NeoWin 2013-07-12 ) By my count this is the fourth price cut. Good thing they're not cumulative eh? Actually this is just milking the press, the cheapest one is still $349 with NO keyboard. Original price $499 with NO keyboard. So nothing has changed, this price has been in effect for a while now. It should have been $299 WITH keyboard all along so it is safe to say that nothing has really changed at Microsoft with regards to reading the marketplace. Compounding the problem is that this is rumored to be a stock clearing sale anyway, to make room for the next model no doubt at the original high price. Good luck guys. NPD: Chromebooks now claim 20-25 percent of sub-$300 US laptop sales ( NeoWin 2013-07-12 ) After badmouthing these things for a good year the NeoWhiners will now have to swallow more bad news - people are buying these things after all. That's gonna leave a mark. Ballmer: No plans for layoffs at Microsoft in reorganization ( NeoWin 2013-07-12 ) You're off the hook for now. Will you still feel safe 12 months from now? Microsoft sues US Customs for letting in banned Motorola phones ( NeoWin 2013-07-12 ) Ban Android in India, says country's Communications and IT Minister (Update) ( NeoWin 2013-07-12 ) The act of a true monopolist is shown in that first story. It is all they really know, which in fact describes Apple as well. For the past three decades it is what they each have done best - clear the playing field of any competition and then move in for the kill, pick the fields clean like locusts and then move on. Naturally it is a perfect reflection of the patent system itself which is inexplicably designed to create a monopoly for the filer of an idea ( note I didn't say inventor, but the filer ). That second article has now been corrected to reverse the original intent by the giddy NeoWin author, India will NOT try to ban Android. Sorry Microsoft and Apple.

How Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages ( UK Guardian 2013-07-11 ) Report: Microsoft helped NSA to access SkyDrive, Skype and Outlook.com ( NeoWin 2013-07-12 ) Leaked documents reveal Microsoft's collaboration with NSA ( TechSpot 2013-07-12 ) Report: NSA Has Access to Skype, SkyDrive; MSFT Responds ( Tom's Hardware 2013-07-12 ) ( already mentioned by Formfiller and Jorge ) ... That first link is the meaty one referenced by everyone else. It is chock full of details about the core problem ... Microsoft was the first partner in the Prism spying ring and if you recall they were voluntary. This begs the question, why would the federal spooks go after Microsoft before anyone else? It's not like they are an ISP providing physical Internet access. No, it is because they are central to all things Internet. They are the operating systems maker for 90% of the traditional computer space, therefore the feds needed to gain a thorough understanding of the code behind it all. Yes, I don't think there is any real doubt that they have the Windows source code, not to mention everything else. Needless to say their response, a quasi-denial, is wide enough to let a fleet of container ships sail through. It also puts this into perspective ... Guess how I read that? Well I believe this is why there has been such a mad push to kill Windows XP, an obsession of theirs ever since Vista appeared in 2007. Why does that date 2007 ring a bell, refer to the previous Guardian article ... So in 2007, we got both Vista and PRISM, which was also the year they lost their collective minds, hunkering down into a bunker mentality, the obnoxious Mojave Experiment ( the customer is doing it wrong ), and really the year they declared war on us. The hypocrisy of the Scroogle campaign against Google is bad enough ( and Google is at least paying lip service to challenging the government ), but there really is more here than meets the eye. I would guess that each previous version of Windows is more secure with respect to customer privacy than the previous. Naturally Windows XP must die. And that is precisely why people who care about such things should never get rid of it. It also probably suggests that Win9x coupled with secure P2P communication might be the best solution of all.

What I think happened is that since yesterday the default # of displayed comments changed from 20 to 25 which should account for missing pages. For me, I had the # of comments per page set to maximum ( I think 150 ) so instead of missing pages, the total for me went from 24 to 141. I don't think any posts have gone missing since the upgrade.

Awesome. That was fast! I forgot to hit post on the top 1st comment, so anyone looking at it should check it now ( to see the word wrap thing ).

It looks like Xper changed the bullet list spacing okay, but the word wrap somehow got broke. I just edited the top post and added more chars to the sample bullet list and noticed something funny. Does anyone else show it as spanning infinite to the right ( no word wrap? ). I'll fix it once a few people have a look at it, please respond below whether you see the problem or not. I still cannot seem to get to any editor controls, whether editing an existing post or adding a new reply. Still something strange going on with CRLF in the editor compared to the preview. Sometimes they appear to get eaten ( separate sentences get squished together ). It pays to always preview before clicking submit.

Thanks for the comment Xper. You have made substantial progress since yesterday. :P.S. I am previewing this reply right now and there are no editor controls whatsoever. P.S.S. although your quote indeed has the metadata right here in the reply ( name= timestamp= etc ) it is not showing in the preview and presumably anywhere else. Consequently quotes will not contain any attribution unless the quoter adds it in separately. P.S.S.S. about line spacing ... One big difference from the pre-upgrade is that previously there was padding after "quote" and "/quote" blocks. That is now presumably missing from the style sheet and the consequence is that the comment after a "quote" is butted up against the quote ( see in this very reply ). Also, compared to pre-upgrade there is actually increased line spacing or padding within comment sentences ( again, see this comment ) so that the lines appear slightly spaced too much. These are just tweaks to be made I know, so I am just mentioning them.

I just want to make clear that none of my ranting was aimed at MSFN or Xper. It is about IPB and their product. No-one involved with MSFN should even vaguely think I or anyone else is blaming them for these problems and nuisances. I hope that's clear! Obviously I agree that database thing has to be resolved. It would be really great at the end of the day when it is all fixed for someone in-the-know to summarize exactly what it was all about. The inside baseball. For example, did it originate upstream at their servers and trickle down because so many IPB forums were updating to a new version that it might have caused issues for those boards still using an older version? Anyway, this thread will hopefully address many of the enduser issues, those presumably fixable things that cause so much misery. Even if the database is perfect, what good is it if the interface is useless. It leads to this ...

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Lots of changes noticed so far. I'll try to make a list here of what has been noticed and also hopefully any workarounds and solutions to problems. Subtitle: Forum topics no longer have a subtitle, all the previous ones got wiped?Posts per Page: The forum now only shows 20 comments per page and no settings to change it. This is my #1 problem at the moment. I also hope this change didn't mess up all the URLs in links somehow. UPDATE: It is now 25 comments per page. Can we have a selection? Previously we could set it to the maximum of 150,User Settings: Getting to "My Control Panel" is not easy. I can get there sometimes and then wind up outside it looking at my profile like any other member with no way back in. Clicking on your picture got you into your profile, but from in there you were locked out of getting to User Settings. UPDATE: this appears to be FIXED.Member Avatar In the forum threads I see a lot of generic user Icon / Avatars. Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought more people used something. UPDATE: yes I was mistaken. I just looked at a saved page from yesterday and the members had a generic thing and it just looks different now. Their badges and things like "sponsor" and "developer" have changed a lot so that also contributes to it. UPDATE: this appears to be FIXED.Member Joined: One piece of information that was left out of the display below the avatar is the "Joined" date. Not a critically important thing perhaps but it was useful at a glance for spotting new spammers.Theme Selection There appear to be only 2 selectable themes and they both suck IMHO. Is IPB also on a suicide watch? Look at SevenForums ( yes it's different boardware ) and see all the themes they provide.Theme Appearance The theme appearance, while admittedly subjective, is IMHO pretty lame. What is it with the blaring white? Are we expected to wear sunglasses? The quote style is icky rotten gray, retro 1993, and is frankly rather unprofessional. The classy, big superimposed double quote marks are now gone, replaced with a cute little word Quote. Someone over at IPB is apparently a MetroTard.CSS :: Fonts From glancing at previous posts, user specified comment formatting has been butchered by the conversion. Items such as Font and Size were lost in the conversion and changed to something different. There is a difference between how large font SIZE=5 renders today and how it did previously. More details later.CSS :: Lists The Style Sheet they supplied needs tweaking. Look at this bullet list just for starters, it is packed too tightly which turns it into an impenetrable wall of text which defeats the entire purpose of a bullet list! There seems to be no line height or spacing control and if you add a CRLF then you get a blank line with a bullet! Even ancient HTML 3 before style sheets had sufficient spacing for legibility in UL and OL. CSS added "padding" for fine tuning. UPDATE: I accidentally found a work around and used it to add space in this very list. See below for more details.CSS :: Quotations Although quotes indeed have the metadata right in the BBcode ( name= timestamp= etc ) it is not showing in the preview or when posted. Consequently quotes will not contain any attribution unless the quoter adds it in separately. UPDATE: this appears to be FIXED.CSS :: Quotations Some space should be added to the padding-bottom for quotes. Notice that the comment appearing immediately after a quote now butts up against the quote box. It existed in the previous style sheet and can probably just copied from there.Editor: A new bug or "feature" of the editor is that it substitutes URL encoding sometimes. For example if you use square brackets ( which are part of the BBcode syntax ) to surround a word it will often be posted without change. But if there is some yet to be determined combination of BBcodes surrounding it, they get swapped out. I have seen this happen with a link that had the word [uPDATE] in the title. Then after adding URL, and Font through the editor, it changed the text literally to %5BUpdate%5D. This probably has no consequence to the enduser, but is notable because actual data is altered.Editor: There seems to be no option in the comment editor for BBcode view rather than WYSIWYG output view. UPDATE: this appears to be no problem because there actually is an icon at the top left of the editor. Currently however, the icon has no hover help so that it will be of unknown purpose to some users as it was to me. NO PROBLEMEditor: The editor has bugs. Start typing a sentence, click bold and type a word, now click bold off and continue typing, click bold again and type some more. Where are you now? You should wind up somewhere near the top left corner.Editor: The editor appears to take liberties with CRLF blank lines near the end of the post ( some kind of blank line management ). I can't fully describe it yet but it appears you have to keep a careful eye on the bottom of the comment being edited. UPDATE: there appears to be some bugs in that it doesn't display all CRLF in the editor and then they surprise you in by showing up in the preview.Anyway, these are just a few quick observations, probably a lot more to come. I'm also keeping my eyes out for positive changes from the IPB programmers. Is anyone aware of any?

The big Wall Street story about the Microsoft reorganization ... Microsoft officially announces reorganization: 'One Microsoft' ( NeoWin 2013-07-11 ) Most Microsoft senior leaders are now executive vice presidents ( NeoWin 2013-07-11 ) Ballmer has consolidated power some more, and removed any trace of a likely successor, a true megalomaniac. STEVE BALLMER KILLS WINDOWS. CEO tears up products playbook in mega Microsoft reorg ( UK Register 2013-07-11 ) Microsoft officially announces company-wide reorganization ( TechSpot 2013-07-11 ) Microsoft CEO Finally Reveals Company Reorganization ( Tom's Hardware 2013-07-11 ) Coverage from the Register and other non-Tard sites, if you get sick of all the tireless worshiping at NeoWin then go here for decidedly less gushing comments ( note: the story is still new, so check back later to see more ). El Reg also has an article up about that earlier Xbox petition story ... Oh please, PLEASE bring back Xbox One's hated DRM - say Xbox loyalists. How do you spell 'masochist'? ( UK Register 2013-07-11 ) You just can't make this stuff up! EDIT: added articles

Juggling multiple platforms and the bumpy road ahead ( Sinofsky 2013-07-08 ) Former Windows head Steven Sinofsky on making apps for multiple platforms ( NeoWin 2013-07-10 ) Oh dear lord. I'm really not sure who won and who lost when he left Microsoft, honestly, there is no way to tell. This guy is pure Sominex. It is painful. If this is what the poor developer engineers had to suffer through rather than getting to work, well their current craziness is understandable. Here is his big graphic which is chock full of empty words and still says nothing important ... ( not that the symmetry is strikingly out of kilter and the padding is inconsistent, at least to me it is ) blah blah blah, right? What's the point? ~sigh~ I feel like I'm picking on him and get a little ashamed, but then I remember the destruction he perpetrated on Windows, not to mention deleting comments at the blog, and helping to usher in a new era of MetroTardism. Anyway, he's managed to just get around 12 comments to his all important lecture blog. All the proof you need that NuMicrosoft is actually becoming an IQ test ... Petition wants Microsoft to bring back Xbox One's DRM ( NeoWin 2013-07-10 ) Here's a better idea ... Release two Xboxes ( Microsoft sure has no problem flooding the shelves with countless SKUs ) ... Xbox Standalone Edition Xbox DRM Edition The Xbox DRM Edition stands for Dumbass Retarded MicroZealot Edition and would be priced twice as high with half the CPU power. They don't need all the cores because the cloud can do the processing remotely. Of course we know that the DRM Edition would never sell, just the same as a standalone Windows Tiles Edition. ~sigh~ This petition has to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen. P.S. wouldn't it be hysterical to find out that the petition is actually a clever psyop by Sony. They get Microsoft to believe the MetroTards are clamoring for DRM and reinstate it! Tail wags the dog, but a tail that belongs to a different dog EDIT: typo(s)

Was there a 2nd post from me just above yours when you replied? Any chance you have a saved copy? No, sorry, at least not when I came back into the forum to check for new posts, and replied to yours. Had there been any other posts in-between when I replied, I'd have quoted yours so that everyone would know the context. But there weren't any, and my reply was posted right after yours, so I could get away with replying the lazy way... That's not to say that there never were any other posts after the one that I replied to. I couldn't get into MSFN at all yesterday (until after midnight) and anything could have happened in the interim. Definitely some lost posts, I had at least one, re-created just above. Ah well, time to start doing saves now. Ain't gonna let that happen again.

Microsoft clobbers Google over privacy at WPC 2013 ( NeoWin 2013-07-10 ) Windows Phone to get business boost with VPN support, encrypted email and more ( NeoWin 2013-07-10 ) Microsoft criticizes Google about privacy and Windows Phone marketed as a security friendly platform? Hmmm. Let me think. What is this all about I wonder. Could it be that they think the news of just a month ago is forgotten ... For no less than six years, ever since Vista, Microsoft has been at the center of the spy scandal handing over user information to the feds, and probably others as well. Naturally they would go for the operating system maker, to get access to the source code no doubt, it's not like they are an ISP. What kind of chutzpah does it take for them to lecture anyone on "Privacy". None of these companies have any business talking about privacy or security, least of all Microsoft. They sold out their customers before anybody else. Microsoft was the first "partner" in the spy ring against Americans and the rest of the world. They should STFU about privacy. Fraudsters. Russia's largest carrier backs Windows Phone after ditching iPhone ( NeoWin 2013-07-10 ) Finally some cheerful news? Well I guess it cannot get much worse for Nokia or Microsoft WP right? Let's see what the 'Tards think ... Microsoft: Xbox One for small businesses is a great investment ( NeoWin 2013-07-11 ) For real? Not an April Fools joke? Okay sure.