Even with the toolbar, it's still IE. Insecure and horribly out-of-date with regards to web standards. Just a shell on IE. It doesn't make it any more secure. Yes, you can use the Mozilla engine, but if you want to have a native Windows application that embeds Gecko, you go for K-Meleon. Another shell for IE. You should stay far away from IE. It's horribly insecure. It's better to have a secure program than having to have shields up (that consume extra CPU and RAM), don't you think? This "loyalty to boxes that navigate web pages" is more important than you think. Well, it's not if it's just about the GUI, but there are several rendering engines out there. IE's is named Trident, which has horrible support for web standards, is far too care-less about coding, and promotes proprietary garbage like coloured scroll bars and glowing text. Gecko, Presto, Merlin and KHTML are much, much better. And I thought this thread was about getting IE7 on Win98 SE.