Hi! I'm new here! what is this forum all about?

[ohmss006]

sorry for the late reply, i take your reply itself into great consideration.

by the way, it is a 7600 Gt i am using, not the 7800 GT. honest mistake, i know.

as u have mentioned that it can do almost everything as XP does, will it though run at a more effiencent speed than XP? or in a buggy, slower way perhaps?

and yes, knowing i am on Dual Core, i was hoping we can find a way to make Microsoft Windows 98(SE) reconise the 2 cores, which to my opinion, be HEAVEN to all of us! who else agrees to that may i ask?

also, dont forget, i have a 500GB SATA Hard Drive, i have been told that the OS will not work on it.

and lastly, i have heard there is a way to overcome the large RAM size, but even doing use, will u be actually using hte full power of the 2GB of RAM? or will u be just like emulating 512MB on 2GB of RAM instead?

[ohmss006]

anyone at all?

sorry for this ongoing reply, and i do apologize for my previous reply as it did not refer to Eck's post here as i was typing my own at the same time whereas he got his in beofe mine.

anyone?

[BenoitRen]

as u have mentioned that it can do almost everything as XP does, will it though run at a more effiencent speed than XP? or in a buggy, slower way perhaps?

Generally it will run faster, because it's less demanding of your system.

and yes, knowing i am on Dual Core, i was hoping we can find a way to make Microsoft Windows 98(SE) reconise the 2 cores, which to my opinion, be HEAVEN to all of us! who else agrees to that may i ask?

I don't. Dual cores are overrated. They're another component of the plan to keep up the perpetual upgrade cycle. Single-core CPUs are fast enough for most people already. It's like they're trying to push a Ferrari to everyone when a regular car is just fine.

In any case, it is not possible to make Windows 98 recognise the two cores, unless someone can modify the kernel and who knows what other components necessary.

also, dont forget, i have a 500GB SATA Hard Drive, i have been told that the OS will not work on it.

SATA hard drives are a problem most of the time, as Windows 98 doesn't have drivers for it. However, if your BIOS has an option to provide IDE compatibility, you may be able to use it anyway, just not with the advantages of SATA.

Windows 98 will not be able to read/write past 137 GB until you install the fix developed by LLXX. Note that this is a drive limit, not a partition limit. Partitioning your drive into five 100 GB partitions (is that even possible?) will not fix it.

and lastly, i have heard there is a way to overcome the large RAM size, but even doing use, will u be actually using hte full power of the 2GB of RAM? or will u be just like emulating 512MB on 2GB of RAM instead?

That depends on if your BIOS supports that much. There have been many reports of people using more than 512 MB RAM, and for some it works, others have to apply a work-around for part of the RAM.

[glocK_94]

Just to mention that I've never been able to use more than 1 gb of RAM on my system even using all kind of tricks to limit the size that Win98 can recognize.

So really, as BenoitRen said, it really depends of your config. Try and see.

As for your graphic card, try Zak's drivers or 82.69 drivers avaible here.

PS: if you're afraid of losing functionnalities over XP, just make a dual-boot with both systems. That's what I do (XP for latest programs that needs it/98 for everyday use). You'll see how fast win9x really is.

[ohmss006]

Generally it will run faster, because it's less demanding of your system.

well, if u look at my upcoming system specs, im sure u will have a good idea on how it will run, thus me wanting to know about it.

I don't. Dual cores are overrated. They're another component of the plan to keep up the perpetual upgrade cycle. Single-core CPUs are fast enough for most people already. It's like they're trying to push a Ferrari to everyone when a regular car is just fine.

In any case, it is not possible to make Windows 98 recognise the two cores, unless someone can modify the kernel and who knows what other components necessary.

how can u possibly think that Dual-Core processors are overrated? they are another component that is there to help and upgrading using it is just optional. when it comes to running Adobe Premiere Pro 2 or 3DS Max on an operating system, then i do think i would like 2 cores thank you very much, and running that on Windows 98 (with less demand on the operating system), yes that would be heaven.

and i think i should start a new thread on this site to see if anyone would be interested in wanting to modify the kernal for it to reconise the 2 cores, donations will be handy as well. what do u think?

SATA hard drives are a problem most of the time, as Windows 98 doesn't have drivers for it. However, if your BIOS has an option to provide IDE compatibility, you may be able to use it anyway, just not with the advantages of SATA.

Windows 98 will not be able to read/write past 137 GB until you install the fix developed by LLXX. Note that this is a drive limit, not a partition limit. Partitioning your drive into five 100 GB partitions (is that even possible?) will not fix it.

well, i only plan to partition hte whole drive as one whole, no other partition whatsoever. if i want so, then i will get another hard drive then. and what are the advantages of SATA by the way?

That depends on if your BIOS supports that much. There have been many reports of people using more than 512 MB RAM, and for some it works, others have to apply a work-around for part of the RAM.

even im sure there is a work around it for large quantities of RAM, will i still be able to use the use power of 2GB?

[BenoitRen]

how can u possibly think that Dual-Core processors are overrated? they are another component that is there to help and upgrading using it is just optional.

Optional? I wish. Pentium IV processors are getting faded out, as well as single-core AMD processors. Just like you can't buy 32-bit processors anymore except for the Pentium IV. They're trying to mass-market their latest advancements as usual.

when it comes to running Adobe Premiere Pro 2 or 3DS Max on an operating system, then i do think i would like 2 cores thank you very much

Companies don't bother optimising their programs and making them run efficiently anymore. Then we get people complaining about how slow something runs, and instead of blaming the software, they blame it on the hardware not being fast enough. It's sad, really.

What is also often forgotten is that the processor isn't the only thing that determines the speed. In the case of 3DS Max, a good graphics card is a must, not just a good processor. A friend of mine can tell some good real life stories about this.

Note also that I said for most people.

and i think i should start a new thread on this site to see if anyone would be interested in wanting to modify the kernal for it to reconise the 2 cores, donations will be handy as well. what do u think?

I think it'll be quite hard until the source code is available.

[Eck]

At least with Via boards, the IDE mode for Sata (on the later boards that have that available) is not workable unless you're using XP or Vista (or Linux, he, he). Only the Sata mode with the Via Sata/Raid driver (even though you're not using Raid) works on 98SE. This can be installed once the operating system is setup and you've booted for the first time to the desktop.

This always worked for me with Sata drives, except for the last time when I didn't install the Via Hyperion right away. I think that was my mistake and why once I did, the partition table was corrupted. Gotta install the driver immediately upon the first desktop.

Sata with the driver is actually better than ATA since you'll be able to use the whole large drive. Just make sure you go into msconfig and deactivate running Scandisk on bad shutdowns. Scandisk's thorough mode and Disk Defragmenter as shipped with 98SE are not compatible with large drives. Gotta use substitutes. I used Norton Utilities 2002.

I kind of think what you're building there is a bit too modern for problems with 98SE to not arise. As much as I love 98SE, a nice XP Pro SP2 would love that board. Just use Classic themes if you like the old look. Then run 98SE on either VMWare or Virtual PC and use Dosbox natively on XP for your MS-DOS game fix.

More power to you if you manage to get all that hardware and drivers to work stable on 98SE. It could work, as some have done it on modern boards. And it sure would be zippy as 9x has less overhead than XP. But really, that kind of hardware has no problem being zippy with XP running it and today's drivers are about as optimized as they're going to get for XP. (Manufacturers are soon going to be concentrating on Vista, but that's okay for XP since whatever they can get out of XP with their hardware at this point, they're getting.)

I've just had too many headaches the last few years when I've tried 98SE on even my AthlonXP 3200+ Socket A boards. It might just be the speedy processors, let alone the gig of Ram. Things work for a bit then fart out on me. Yet I can run XP, Vista, or OpenSuSE Linux 10.2 without a hitch. And I've used the patches and recommendations available for 98SE in I think an intelligent way. 9x is just designed for slower processors and less memory.

Sometimes the tweaks and patches work and sometimes they don't.

I've moved on to a Vista dual-boot with Linux. The Vista performance, for me, reminds me of when I started with XP, and dual-booted with 98SE. It was an Abit KT7A with an Athlon T-Bird 1.2 and 512MB SDRAM. XP was sluggish. Vista runs this now older board (the AthlonXP 3200+ and a gig of DDR RAM on the Epox Socket A) and hardware a bit sluggishly, with plenty of waiting for all the previous version imaging and indexing to finish their hard drive thrashing before I move on to my next task. But that's really just when installing stuff or making large changes. Vista has run nearly everything I've thrown at it so far. And I'm used to working with it already. I guess I don't mind the transition period, or working around new things.

Keep us informed on how it goes. I'm rooting for you being able to keep 98SE alive.

[ohmss006]

well, as for the whole RAID thing, i am not entirely sure about that, all i know is that my motherboard is an Asus P5B Deluxe, i dont know wat to look for to help resolve that question. also i am worried that when it comes to installing the OS, will it recognise the Hard drive in the first place?

also, i will refuse to use any kind of eumlator for the PC to run another operating system, cause there wouldnt be a point at all, and i HATE the classic look on windows XP, cause it still bloody does have the XP way on the theme.

I'm rooting for you being able to keep 98SE alive.

whoa...okay then...i donty know if u were serious or one of the sarcastic kind (like myself), surely there are other people here and out there who literally is doing a much better job than i am. right?

[ohmss006]

anyone?

anyways, hi im back everyone! and i like to tell you, i am literally 1 part away, which is the PSU coming up in a day or so, and i was hoping now, if you lot can help me now on what to do exactly.

i was also hoping to use this thread for the newbies around here, so they can just pop in, and read along to know what to do.

now iw ill give the full ad once again my system specs:

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (to be overclocked to over 3GHZ)

Tuniq Tower 120

Asus P5B Deluxe WIFI

2GB DDR2-800 RAM Crucial Ballistix

500GB SATA Hard Drive

Floopy Disk Drive

2 DVD-/+R/W Drives

7600GT Nvidia Graphic Card

Noctua NC U6 or Thermaltake Extreme Spirit-II

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 98 Second Edition

oh yes, that is my baby, and i dont know if anyone here has those sspecs running for Windows 98, but i intend to do htis from hte start, and because of htat, i want to do this right and perfect. as from what Wikipedia said, Windows 98 can gain on-par stability with newer or the latest OS already, and i hope this is correct, please someome tell me this.

so thus, can anyone, once again perhaps, tell me what to fo exactly when instaling Windows 98 on to these specs, cause i will be using the computer upstairs which the one im using now (with internet connection) downstairs, thus i dont want to be going up and down all the time, thus wanting to know what to do and what to get.

i would really appreciate it if anyone....can help me with this, this is it, and im being serious.

thanks again for hte previous ones, i will look forward to many more.

Excellent.

[Eck]

Heh, heh. I wasn't being sarcastic at all, but then did not mean for you to be the sole person to be a hero and all in keeping 98SE alive either. I was just wishing you success and hope that you will keep posting about your experience.

Since 98 was my first Windows and got so comfortable running it I have a soft spot for it and do not abandon this forum even though I've found it nearly impossible to run, in my experience, with my current hardware and the more modern software that I install. No problem running it in VMWare. But see, since I'm mostly on Linux now and also have Vista dual-booting with it, I'm really pretty much satisfied. Plus, there's a new VMWare now. For reasons I'd rather not get into I would need to pay full price for this now fully Vista and newer Linux Kernel compatible versions. It's a tad too much to spend for just running 98SE for nostalgia purposes on it.

I don't agree with you about running emulators. I use them for all my Nintendo stuff even though I own most of the games from the NES, SNES, and N64 period anyway. I just would rather play them on my computer and not split my cable TV signal with all the splitters. And there is almost no difference using Windows in a guest virtual machine from using it natively with the exception of 3D Direct X gaming.

So I root for folks to get 98SE going and relate their experiences so we all can gain from it and use the posts as a possible model for using 98 with current stuff. But if problems result, I wouldn't dismiss emulators. The technology is fantastic. The best combo if you wind up having problems getting 98SE working with your new system might be one of the fantastic Linux distributions (OpenSuSE 10.2, Fedora 7, Ubuntu/Kubuntu, etc, choosing one that works with all your hardware and has the tools you want) and VMWare for your 98SE fix. That way you wouldn't need to splurge on a new Windows license if you didn't want to use XP or Vista. Assuming you have a valid license for Windows 98SE and are willing to devote the learning time (which I've found to be worthwhile), you'd have everything you need.

I just like the updated Windows (Vista) so that's why I went the route that I did (Vista and Linux).

[ohmss006]

that is very interesting indeed, and it is glad to hear from you again.

i would like to see and hear from another person in this forum that has a PC with a near or close or even higher specs than what i have, running Microsoft Windows 98SE on their computer.

to my opinion, Microsoft Windows 98(SE) is probably or one of the best operating systems that Microsoft themselves have ever constructed, abd i am ever so happy to actually find and be a part of this forum as well. i have tried many times before to convince people that Windows 98 is the best but regardlessly, they disagree or dont believe it, and thus i want to prove them all WRONG! one of the matters is security. now if i am correct, if i install the AutoPatcher, will it give me every single patch, hotfixes, updates and so on ever created by microsoft? and in addition more that was created by ethuisasts? therefore will gain the exact same protection as from newer OS from microsft when they update them and not for Win 98?

also another thing, another way to protect my lovely upcoming computer, is to install Kaprinsky AntiVirus software, to which some would say, which is like the Fort Knox of all antivirus softwares out there. what do you think?

when i say i ont like emulators, i was refering to Virtual PC's, but emulators for consoles is a two thumbs up for me, especially the Saturn and Dreamcast, and PS2 emulators, as u can see, i am a SEGA fan and wanting and encouring for them to come back into the console business as right now it is not very competitive with the consoles right now, they all differ so differently that Sega could slip in and win it all. sorry for going off topic there.

also, as i said before, i intend to use Windows98SE on the whole Hard Drive with no other booting, as i am confident that i can anything on the Os as i would on XP, please back me up on this anyone please.

aaannnddd, i am thinking of starting a new thread called 'Help on Installing Microsoft Windows 98(SE) on my (new) system' Specs included, and hoping to get people to tell me how to do this and that to install the OS on the high specs i have to bypass them or how to work around them. u know what i mean i suppose. the 2GB of RAM, 500GB SATA HD, and a Dual Core CPU, as well and trying to put on directX10 and the new graphic cards as well etc.

about the Dual Core, i do again plan to make a new thread called 'Wanted! on those who wants Microsoft Windows 98(SE) running on Dual-Core processors', as in the 2 cores! hoping to get modders and kernal writers or whoever that wants to dedicate their time on making Windows 98 recognise the 2 cores on CPUs. how heavenly would that be? and what do you think about that too?

i dont know quite else what to say now, as i think ive said enough for thisd one post, hahahahaha, but im sure i will remember what i was ought to say, but i really need and want the help that i want to suceed on this, cause i really to intend to use my PC to do editing, encoding and 3D modelling and i want to use them in a error free system without any problems.

sorry if i said alot, it was quite enjoyable for me but in any case, please dont hesistate to say anything sir or anyone, we can do this!

Long Live Windows 98!!!

[awergh]

i cant see why there wouldnt be a problem with a 500g hdd, as long as you use the 48bit LBA patch you should be fine with that

[BenoitRen]

You don't need anti-virus software if you have BRAIN.EXE.

[ohmss006]

wow, short answer from a long question. hahahaha.

anyways, about this patch, would it help resolve me installing Windows 98 on a big SATA Hard Drive? like is this a work around for it?

and what is BRAIN.EXE???

anyone else may i ask, can help me answer some of my questions that i asked above?

also may i ask, what else am i to expect that might prevent me while installing Win98 onto my system?

[Randy_Rivers]

lol brain.exe.What he means if you use trusted sites no warez porn or downloading free screensavers etc your less likely to recieve malware,viruses.I think things will work out fine,im surprized your putting 98se on a pc that good enuff for vista but u gotta admit 98se is a fun os to tweak.Good luck.and enjoy.