p2p gone forever ?

[user57]

we have to discuss a little bit computer history 

the recent events tend to say that a certain thing is about to get forgotten 

even a completed master's student with focus on java makes the defintion wrong:

https://ibb.co/1G11jJ63

 

so we have to tell the actual story again

in the past you had to get someones computer IP so you could comminicate with him

this went like this : your IP -> the other guys IP

it then had different words but definition is always the same "p2p, peer to peer, IP to IP, ende zu ende"

only a little later you could go a server or ask for someones IP, sending a request or the server gives you the IP number of your friend list

 

this then changed in like 2006

after that they needed something simple to read into the people chat!

so a simple mind comes also to an easy idea - we set a server that "fishs" the messages (packets) and then store them on their property

this today is called often "cloud, whatsapp server" - but these servers are collecting your messages

in elder ICQ versions (like 98 versions) you could see your friends like, the the server only sends you the IP from the other (thus you communicate p2p) - if you wanted to send a offine message you get warned that this message is stored on their ICQ server

 

the new servers are fundamentally different - everything goes to their server 

neither how we call it thats not p2p, IP to IP, ende zu ende

still they trying to get rid of the information (here the picture again)

https://ibb.co/1G11jJ63

the difference is that the server is not there then p2p is defined, but the picture says as if the server can collect the message/packet is p2p - what it is not

it is IP -> SERVER(collects everything) -> other IP

 

so we can see how simple minded that actually is - they just put a server in between - thats all 

i see a problem with this because the server is property of a company what do what they want with that (like this is our server, terms of use say we are allowed to use your data for advertising/ect.) - its hard even to proof them a miss-use

but it not suppose to be like that - just if you given a letter to the post office - its not their property - and they are not allowed to open it up

 

then recently i had problems with that discord it always asking for real names, smartphones, real email and smartphone verification

so i gone way back, back to IRC

in IRC you can use peer to peer with the so called DDC chat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Client-to-Client

 

but it dont work anymore, it might be blocked by ISP, the router or maybe the operating system

someone then pointed out that ports are blocked by a router

what is not the full information in either linux or windows you have so called packets and a recieve and a send port

so in theory you cant login to the IRC server because both (send and recieve ports are blocked)

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winsock2/nf-winsock2-send

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winsock/nf-winsock-recv

it might have a list or a reconizing to allow the IRC ports (both send and recieve)

this connection via DDC fails but

 

so they have erased it, it will be a lost skill or a lost knowledge!? to me it seems like that

the definition is wrong if a server is involved - otherwise it goes directly through wires, maybe a wire relay device shaft (like a switch for example do with your ethernet card)

but not through a server

 

 

the completed master student (desinformation maybe?):

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JAF5f-Q2gGY

 

[NotHereToPlayGames]

3 hours ago, user57 said:

that a certain thing is about to get forgotten

Reminds me of when mom used to take us to a place called a "video store".

For MOVIES.

And nobody in their right mind would ever rent a "video game".