JorgeA Posted October 19, 2012 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I'm thinking of installing a Vista or Longhorn theme or visual style on my Windows 7 system, but before I do that, I'd like to ask:Is it safe to do this? Are there any security, stability or other concerns that I need to keep in mind, or that should warn me off the whole idea?I know that I'll have to patch the file uxtheme.dll. Is this safe to do, and if I do that can it lead to any possible issues I should be aware of?Thanks very much.--JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinifera Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 (edited) its only unsafe if you install "packs" which include modified dll's (ieframe etc...) and explorer.exe(longhorn themes often have this)but .msstyle itself is harmlessalso you don't have to patch uxtheme, you can use (not advertising) rafael riviera's uxstyle (which is service running and in-memory patcher - thus theoretically not illegal ) Edited October 20, 2012 by vinifera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicAndre1981 Posted October 20, 2012 Share Posted October 20, 2012 for me uxstyle doesn't work and I've bought AveStyler some years ago and it works fine under Windows 7. And yes, unless you don't patch any files it is safe to use the msstyle files. I'm also using an unofficial Windows 8 RP Aero Theme on Windows 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 its only unsafe if you install "packs" which include modified dll's (ieframe etc...) and explorer.exe(longhorn themes often have this)but .msstyle itself is harmlessalso you don't have to patch uxtheme, you can use (not advertising) rafael riviera's uxstyle (which is service running and in-memory patcher - thus theoretically not illegal )vinifera,Thanks for the info. I will watch out for packs that include files with extensions other than .msstyle, and check out UXSTYLE.A question about what you said -- is it not really allowed to install themes that patch EXPLORER.EXE or other system files?--JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 for me uxstyle doesn't work and I've bought AveStyler some years ago and it works fine under Windows 7. And yes, unless you don't patch any files it is safe to use the msstyle files. I'm also using an unofficial Windows 8 RP Aero Theme on Windows 7 Andre,Cool!I'll try UXSTYLE first and then dig deeper if that one doesn't work for me either. Most of the themes I've found on the Web (on DeviantArt, for example) seem to require patching UXTHEME.DLL, but that makes me nervous. --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinifera Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) A question about what you said -- is it not really allowed to install themes that patch EXPLORER.EXE or other system files?you can install these packsbut atleast for your own safety be sure its from verified source, for example from deviantart where people commented on it usually when explorer or ieframe is patched, they make it so you have info panel in explorer below address bar (as Longhorn had)and not at the bottom (as vista/7 have)also by patching explorer they are changing start button icon which isn't in .msstyle Edited October 21, 2012 by vinifera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dencorso Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 @JorgeA: With all due respect, "safe" is to have a known-good, ready-to-be-deployed, full backup. All else is not safe. Sorry, but is it stronger than me it sounds to me very like :http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074860/quotes?qt=qt0247572 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 you can install these packsbut atleast for your own safety be sure its from verified source, for example from deviantart where people commented on it usually when explorer or ieframe is patched, they make it so you have info panel in explorer below address bar (as Longhorn had)and not at the bottom (as vista/7 have)also by patching explorer they are changing start button icon which isn't in .msstylevinifera,Very good, thanks!I was planning to scan the heck out of anything that I downloaded (with Norton, Spybot, Windows Defender, MBAM, ...), but it's still better to see reports from people who actually used it, so that's a great idea you just gave me. --JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 @JorgeA: With all due respect, "safe" is to have a known-good, ready-to-be-deployed, full backup. All else is not safe. Hey, dencorso! I much appreciate the advice. When thinking "safe" it was more along the lines of whether one of these theme packs might contain malware, but you're right that things could get royally messed up, so I will add a full backup to the precautions. The box that I'm trying this out on doesn't have anything irreplaceable on it, but why risk the rebuilding tedium that a catastrophic crash would mean.--JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicAndre1981 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 uxstyle and AveStyler patch the uxtheme.dll in memory, so that you don't have to modify files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlotteTheHarlot Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 its only unsafe if you install "packs" which include modified dll's (ieframe etc...) and explorer.exe(longhorn themes often have this)but .msstyle itself is harmlessalso you don't have to patch uxtheme, you can use (not advertising) rafael riviera's uxstyle (which is service running and in-memory patcher - thus theoretically not illegal )vinifera,Thanks for the info. I will watch out for packs that include files with extensions other than .msstyle, and check out UXSTYLE.A question about what you said -- is it not really allowed to install themes that patch EXPLORER.EXE or other system files?--JorgeAThe safest thing is to just not run any EXE setups from a skin/theme/wallpaper/etc site. At least one of those, maybe WinCustomize ( but don't quote me ) distributes some of the resources in EXE setups.They drop some relatively harmless adware or toolbars or make you first download a "downloader" ( unnecessary of course ).I am certain that every one of the EXE's can be unpacked or disassembled to pull out the necessary files. If you see one let me know the link and I will try to unpack it and tell you what they did.I would not expect any virus scanner ( online or offline ) to be 100% trustworthy on these files. So play it safe and never run them, a theme or other resource is not worth the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 uxstyle and AveStyler patch the uxtheme.dll in memory, so that you don't have to modify filesAndre,I found this FAQ for UXSTYLE, and it looks promising.So, after applying this program, all I need to do is to locate the .msstyle file inside the downloaded theme package, put it in C:\Windows\Resources\Themes, and run Personalization -- is that right?--JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) The safest thing is to just not run any EXE setups from a skin/theme/wallpaper/etc site. At least one of those, maybe WinCustomize ( but don't quote me ) distributes some of the resources in EXE setups.They drop some relatively harmless adware or toolbars or make you first download a "downloader" ( unnecessary of course ).I am certain that every one of the EXE's can be unpacked or disassembled to pull out the necessary files. If you see one let me know the link and I will try to unpack it and tell you what they did.I would not expect any virus scanner ( online or offline ) to be 100% trustworthy on these files. So play it safe and never run them, a theme or other resource is not worth the risk.Charlotte,Thanks very much for the scoop, and especially for offering to look into one of these packs to see what's going on.Here are my top three candidates: Longhorn M7 R2 Nightly, Longhorn Revealed for Windows 7, and Aero 6519 theme for Windows 7. The Longhorn themes are visually stunning IMHO, but I'll settle for the Vista look if necessary. Of these three, the leader is Longhorn Revealed, if it can do the Vista-type convex taskbar (not shown on the screenshots).Let me see if I'm starting to understand this. It sounds like the first two contain modifications to system files, while the Vista one is simpler and maybe safer? (Although even that one still calls for using the UXTHEME patcher.)--JorgeA Edited October 21, 2012 by JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicAndre1981 Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 So, after applying this program, all I need to do is to locate the .msstyle file inside the downloaded theme package, put it in C:\Windows\Resources\Themes, and run Personalization -- is that right?yes. But the Longhorn Themes requires that you replace files, which is not good. So use the 6519 Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeA Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) So, after applying this program, all I need to do is to locate the .msstyle file inside the downloaded theme package, put it in C:\Windows\Resources\Themes, and run Personalization -- is that right?yes. But the Longhorn Themes requires that you replace files, which is not good. So use the 6519 Theme.Thanks, Andre. That's a shame!How about using something like WindowBlinds. I found some pre-made Vista and Longhorn skins that look promising on their companion WinCustomize website -- is that OK, or do the same problems apply?--JorgeA Edited October 21, 2012 by JorgeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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