KelvinTwister Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 I want to connect a Windows 98SE to a Windows 7 Starter through a network. Both computers are connected to a router. In Windows 98SE desktop is connected via cable to the router and the other is a laptop connected to the router via Wireless. Windows 7 is recognizing itself and the router as shown in the image:Since Windows 98 is recognized only to himself, is not recognizing the router (access to the internet but what is normal, and you can connect to the router using the address 192.168.0.1).What should I do for Windows 98 recognize the router on the network?PS: Sorry for bad English, because I am Brazilian
awergh Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 What do you mean by recognising the router, you cannot access the webinterface? I'can you ping the router from the commandline?ping 192.168.0.1would be useful to for you to run ipconfig as wellipconfig /all
jds Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Some months ago, I tried to do exactly the same thing, the only difference, the laptop ran Vista.MS have clearly made an effort in Vista, and presumably 7, to be as incompatible as possible with everything else, including previous versions of MSW.I can't remember exactly what I tried, but in the end, I ran an small FTP server application on the W98 machine and connected to this on the laptop. From memory, you can get Explorer on Vista to treat an FTP site as if it were a network drive.It's a kludge, but it was all I could do without going insane.HTH,Joe.
awergh Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 I don't think they went to an effort at all to make it incompatible, I have no problem transferring files from 7 to 98SE but I use a network drive to transfer instead of accessing network shares through Network Neighbourhood / NetworkThe other direction from 98SE to 7 is a bit more annoying though I expect because you have to have the same username as normal for between 9x and NT but also have to change the security configuration on 7 to except LM hash because by default it requires NTLM hash. I think there is a way to enable NTLM hash on 9x but that might only apply to the active directory client I didn't read through the KB article thoroughly. This change was made for security reasons of LM being not exactly secure not in deliberately stopping Windows 3.1/9x users accessing Windows 7 shares.
Tripredacus Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) I have also had no problems transferring between Win98 FE and Win7 Pro through a router. I just had to create a user account on the Win7 to share the folder with. I didn't bother seeing if the PCs were visible to each other in the Network browser, just directly connect to the UNC path using IP address. IE: \\192.168.100.101You should not have any problems doing basic networking with Windows 7 Starter, however it looks like yours is modified (Aero Glass) so this may not be true. Here is a pic of my netbook copying files from a Win98 share: Edited October 27, 2011 by Tripredacus spoiler
KelvinTwister Posted October 26, 2011 Author Posted October 26, 2011 Tripredacus how did you get? Windows 7 Starter is the version I just downloaded a program that allowed them to use the Aero effect.Additional data:- Both computer connected to the router receives an IP range of 192.168.0.1 ** (two asterisks is a number from 00 to 99). The final IP 192.168.0.128 is the Windows 98 and Windows 7 is 192.168.0.199- The name of the User PC with Windows 98 PHILIPS-BLASTER, and the group is called WORKGROUP- The name of the User PC with Windows 7 is ARIESCHA-PC, and the group is called WORKGROUP- The devices are connected like the image below:
KelvinTwister Posted October 26, 2011 Author Posted October 26, 2011 I got through the windows 7 access shared folders from Windows 98 (first appeared to the printer), but when you open the shared folder did not show any files, was carrying only until Windows 7 Explorer.exe has stopped responding. So far unable to access Windows 7 from Windows 98.NOTE: Windows 7 is configured with just one User who is the Administrator, it will interfere?
Kelsenellenelvian Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Slightly OTWhat aero enabler are you using?I can't seem to find one that works right.
rilef Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Following is the local network setup on my 98SE computer and router:From the Windows 98 control panel, double-click the "Network" icon. Under the "Configuration" tab, double-click "TCP/IP" for your network card. Select "IP Address" tab, click "Obtain an IP address automatically." Click the "Gateway" tab. If any "Installed Gateways" listed, select each one and click "Remove". Click the "DNS Configuration" tab, and then select "Disable DNS". Click OK to exit the TCP/IP Properties window. Then click OK again to exit the Network window. Click yes to restart your computer.After your computer restarts, click "Start" then "Run". Type "WINIPCFG" and click "OK". (Note, "IPCONFIG" is for Windows 2000 and higher, not 98SE).It may take a minute or two for the "IP Configuration" window to appear. From the dropdown menu, select your network card. Click "Release" and then click "Renew". Then click OK to close the window. (you may want to write down the router address, before clicking OK, so that you can later access and configure your router from your browser).Hopefully, your Windows 98 computer is now connected to your router.Note, Microsoft has a "Microsoft Network Wizard" ("Netsetup.exe") for Windows 98SE, which wizard you may find helpful. The wizard is run from a floppy.
KelvinTwister Posted October 26, 2011 Author Posted October 26, 2011 (edited) Kelsenellenelvian, this is the program> http://www.baixaki.com.br/download/aero-patch-w7starter-and-basic.htmEnable to access shared folders from Windows 98 through Windows 7 (working perfectly), but am not able to access the shared folders of Windows 7 through Windows 98. Nor am getting the printer (the printer is installed on Windows 98) and there is a driver for Windows 7 it.- I was able to access Windows 98 through Windows 7, going on run and typing //192.168.0.128 (Problem Solved)- But when I do the same run in Windows 98 by typing the IP of Windows 7 (which is 192.168.0.199), an error message appears. (Unresolved)- I'm having trouble using the printer that is located in Windows 98 (Unresolved)Thanks for the help of all, one of three problems have been resolved. Edited October 27, 2011 by KelvinTwister
KelvinTwister Posted October 27, 2011 Author Posted October 27, 2011 I think I am close to get both computers are recognizing:- Windows 98- Windows 7But when I try to access the shared folders of Windows 7 through Windows 98, a message appears: "This request is not supported by the network" and then the message "The server \\Ariescha-PC does not accept remote requests"I'm usually able to access shared folders from Windows 98 through Windows 7. There is less!
Tripredacus Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 But when I try to access the shared folders of Windows 7 through Windows 98, a message appears: "This request is not supported by the network" and then the message "The server \\Ariescha-PC does not accept remote requests"I'm usually able to access shared folders from Windows 98 through Windows 7. There is less!You need to create a user account on the Win7 PC. You should put a password on it. Then share a folder on the Win7 and select that user account you made. When you connect to it from the Win98, you will be prompted for credentials.On Windows98, Guest access is enabled, which is why you can just go there and see the shares. On Win7, guest access is disabled and you *should* create a user account to access the files with. It is possible to enable guest access on Win7, but I recommend against it.
KelvinTwister Posted October 27, 2011 Author Posted October 27, 2011 Thanks everyone for the answers and patience. But it is taking effect, now I'm able to print using the printer connected to Windows 98 through Windows 7. But only one thing missing is difficult to solve, we access the Windows 7 through Windows 98. Using Comodo Firewall in Windows 7, will have to open some doors? Or is it still Windows 7 is poorly configured to be accessed? Or the Windows 7 operating system does not allow the old 9x family access the shared folders?
awergh Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) Note, "IPCONFIG" is for Windows 2000 and higher, not 98SEThis statement is wrong.Windows 98SE definately has ipconfig it was not introduced in Windows 2000.ipconfig exists in Windows for Workgroup and MSclient 3.0 for DOS.It is only missing in Windows 95 for some unknown reason that is the only time you need to use winipcfg otherwise ipconfig is preferable.Thanks everyone for the answers and patience. But it is taking effect, now I'm able to print using the printer connected to Windows 98 through Windows 7. But only one thing missing is difficult to solve, we access the Windows 7 through Windows 98. Using Comodo Firewall in Windows 7, will have to open some doors? Or is it still Windows 7 is poorly configured to be accessed? Or the Windows 7 operating system does not allow the old 9x family access the shared folders?I guess since you probably don't care about network security you can access Windows 7 from 9x by changing the security settings so that it accepts LM hash (I'm pretty sure you can't use NTLM although I have to look up the active directory client some time to see if this is actually true).Assuming you already have user accounts that are the same on both computers.There is at least one security settings that need to be changed I'm not totally sure if this is the only one because I'm feeling lazy to test it but you can do the following and it might work Run secpol.mscLocal PoliciesSecurity OptionsFind Network security: LAN Manager authentication level, change this setting to Send LM & NTLM responses Edited October 28, 2011 by awergh
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