xtremee Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Hi all,I'm wonder why Microsoft don't let WMP play real media format. Is Microsoft don't know how? i doubt that as there a lot of player that can play all media format! Is there is any agrement between Microsoft and Real Compnay? and if it there Why Real company let Real Media Player play all the format including those of Microsoft?Also i notice that Winamp don't support Media format!!! P.S.I know there is a codec (Real Alternative) that can let real format to run with WMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigeratiPrime Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Microsofts media formats compete with Real, why would they want to make it easy for people to use alternatives? Microsoft wants people to use its codecs so they can control media distribution and make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PC_LOAD_LETTER Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 ok first off, realmedia is crap. always has been. realplayer is one of the most bloated annoying pile of advertisement ever to be created. (its seriously worse than some spyware) Im sorry but it had to be said.I can almost guarantee the reason why WMP wont play Real is a legal reason. Reals entire business model involves people buying and using their player. Real Alternative hasnt been sued into oblivion because they arent making money off of Real and any case Real could bring would have to prove loss of revenue as a result of RA and real has very little to gain by suing RA. If MS integrated Real support without permission, it would prolly be the best thing that ever happened to Real because they could probably sue the heck out of MS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremee Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 That is right for Microsoft but Why Real support Microsoft formats in Real Player?! if it was a domination problem on the market.Also Why Winamp don't support real format?!Winamp don't have its format so why not support?!The most thing that i like Real format is its small size comparing to other formats also real format is good with streaming. (Flash also is good) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arie Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 That is right for Microsoft but Why Real support Microsoft formats in Real Player?! if it was a domination problem on the market.The more formats RealPlayer supports, the bigger the chance is that people will use this software, the more people Real can spread their advertisements and such to, so the more money Real will make.Also Why Winamp don't support real format?!Winamp don't have its format so why not support?!See the reply by "geek", it's because of legal reasons. If they would want to support Real Media, no doubt that they would have to pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremee Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 See the reply by "geek", it's because of legal reasons. If they would want to support Real Media, no doubt that they would have to pay for it.I don't think that a lot of players spread everywhere over the internet pay to Real to support real format.for example check Windows Media Classic, Crystal Player, JetAudio... etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arie Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I don't think that a lot of players spread everywhere over the internet pay to Real to support real format.for example check Windows Media Classic, Crystal Player, JetAudio... etcIndeed, there are plenty of free players around which support Real format. Please note the word free. Winamp is not free, you have to pay for the full package, so if Winamp make money off it, Real wants a share. There are also various players around which illegally support Real format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremee Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 i see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigeratiPrime Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 See the reply by "geek", it's because of legal reasons. If they would want to support Real Media, no doubt that they would have to pay for it.I don't think that a lot of players spread everywhere over the internet pay to Real to support real format.for example check Windows Media Classic, Crystal Player, JetAudio... etcI dont think those players natively support playback of Real formats, they just accept the filetypes to be loaded and then try to load a filter or splitter for the media. I know for Media Player Classic you have to either install Real or Real Alternative which includes the Real decoder binaries just stripped of the player. I bet if you associate the Real formats with Windows Media Player and install the decoders it will playback fine, of course its not officially supported by Microsoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHz Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Software patents is the issue to consider in this topic. Please read if you need.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patentYou need permission or license to use patented software. Using patented software can be expensive depending on permissions or license and violation can be fatal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremee Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 Software patents is the issue to consider in this topicNOI post this topic as i don't know why Microsoft don't support real formats? as there are a lot of player that do this job.i don't wanna to make any software patents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHz Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 NOI post this topic as i don't know why Microsoft don't support real formats?Perhaps because Microsoft do not have permission to support real formats.as there are a lot of player that do this job.They would have permission or they are liable to be sued.i don't wanna to make any software patentsAnd no one is asking you to, nor was it ever mentioned that you needed to.By any chance, if you consider creating your own media player to distribute, then I would suggest seeking legal advice before doing so as I consider that you do have not enough knowledge to understand what you would be getting yourself into. Microsoft would be aware of such legal implications with patented codecs so I guess they choose not to support RealNetworks codecs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremee Posted February 23, 2008 Author Share Posted February 23, 2008 Thanks a lotit cleared nowbut Why don't Winamp support don't support real format?may be as you say that they need a License for that !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHz Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 but Why don't Winamp support don't support real format?may be as you say that they need a License for that !!I am going to guess that because WinAmp is commercial, that they are a target for compensation if they use the codec. Same as Microsoft are commercial and would be a target for doing the same. You cannot make much money to sue freeware media players so they are maybe safe. As far as Microsoft would go, why would they support a rival commercial codec anyway while they have their own codecs in competition. What I have said are assumptions on knowledge without absolute proof so hopefully I am not misleading anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremee Posted February 23, 2008 Author Share Posted February 23, 2008 why would they support a rival commercial codec anyway while they have their own codecs in competition. What are you mean?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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