great topic, i'm on this group too that doesnt trust microsoft with its updates the best Windows Protection i think it is Win2000(i removed IE totaly)/Sygate Personal Firewall Pro 5.6/Firefox(with NoScript) with sygate, i just block all windows services for using the network, the only allowed app's are Firefox, MSN and so on ps, there's is a great feature that i love on sygate, its called DLL Authentication, it searches for new files that are loaded from a programm that is already running, it knows the difference of the application in a before/after way, it even detects if you install the Flash Player on Firefox (example), and it asks you if you want to give the app access on the Net, some users hate this Pop Up, but i think its the best thing that happened in my computer life CONCLUSION......BELIEVE IS GOOD, CONTROL IS BETTER