Hey Well, about running the program without the need of VB and ACCESS, all you have to do is build your application and deploy it, either by copying the files from the BIN directory or by some deployment program. About you other question, I didn't really understand what you are referring to. Do you mean that you want to get the information from the DB file and show it if a form on you application, and not in the datagrid table for example...? ______________ If you know your way with cards and dices, You should play online casino....