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Mixed Crap: 2 out of 3 computers updated W10 Insider Preview to 16232. One was an SSD and one was an HDD. One came from 16226 and one came from 15025. Both took several hours to complete the update.
The third computer tried 5 times times to update to 16232, 4 times from 16226 and 1 time from 16216 but never completed the update. The end result of the update was that the computer was back at the release that it started from after several hours on each try. This may be the smart computer that refuses to upgrade to another questionable Win 10 release? This is a dual boot, Win 7/Win 10. The computer is now running WIndows 7 Pro as the main choice.
Yup, more Arizona heat.
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13 hours ago, kosamja said:
40 seconds on SSD? I wonder how much boot would be faster if WarpDisk is used on SSD...
Yes, I'm wondering the same thing. WarpDisk is now bookmarked on that computer. Thanks, the future is now.
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7 hours ago, jaclaz said:
Well, allow me to disagree, students in a computer class should have been taught how to speed up their booting, I see it more as a failure of the course than wasted learning time, if the teachers/instructors didn't manage to teach (in the remaining minutes after the looooong time to boot) how to optimize the system for faster booting (and/or if the students didn't decide to study on their own how to solve this evident anomaly) there is a problem.
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I agree with your opinion. However, in the real world, Tucson, Arizona, schools and learning have been allotted a very low priority. Also, the directive of the Technology Department at the school stated that no teachers, students and some computer technicians were to change any settings on the computer classroom equipment, hardware or software. Perhaps Arizona education attitudes are what has put Arizona close to the bottom on the list of states in the US. Perhaps a donation from another country would help us out? On the bright side, at least some of the students have iPhones and iPads that they use at home instead of the old PCs at school. Remember, we're talking Arizona with temperatures high enough to hurt students brains (115-120 degrees) and maybe the politicians brains as well. I remember the one room school house that I attended that had no computers at all but that was before computers. We were not concerned about "boot times" at all. Wow, we've come a long way in 65 years. Now I understand that slow computers are crap but the students and teachers still don't get to speed up there slow computers. Even if I gave the school an SSD they would refuse to install it because of the "policy." Yes, that's crap but this is the crap forum.
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SSD: The Windows 7 Pro Dell Latitude E5410 laptop: 40 seconds from push power on button to usable desktop. This is the system that the Win 10 computers are compared against. This computer when it had an HDD took over a minute to make the same boot up. I started replacing HDDs with SSDs about 5 years ago, both PATA and SATA, both Apple and PC. The results have always been the same, SDD computers have been 5 to 10 times faster than HDD computers. Slow is Crap when using computers!
As an aside, I've seen students in a computer classroom spending 5 to 10 minutes waiting for their HDD PCs to boot up to a usable device. That's a lot of wasted learning time in class.
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3 hours ago, UCyborg said:
Can anyone here say with absolute certainty that Win10 is significantly crappier experience if you don't have SSD to run it from?
One example of power on to W10 desktop usable: Both computers have W10, 16226 Insider Preview.
1. SSD. Apple MacBook, Late 2006. 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM. Power on to Apple host; select Startup device BootCamp and Restart; logon to W10 and Desktop is usable. Time: 2 minutes 45 seconds.
2. HDD. Dell Inspiron 1720, Ship date, 5/28/2008. 2 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo. 4 GHz 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM. Power on to dual boot; select W10. logon to W10 and Desktop is usable. Time: 4 minutes 35 seconds.
Yes, a simplistic comparison but gives an indication of the value of the SSD. Crap differential, about 2 minutes waiting for the HDD to spin.
(Arizona: 106 degrees, nice cool down)
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W10 Crap Update or Downdate, Whichever: No problems to report on the 2 W10, 16226 test computers in the last 4 days. No, wait. Both have been powered off. I guess that tells you something.
(Arizona: 115-120 degrees)
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Ghostery is an Invasive meter that can be used with a browser to see how many invaders are trying to use your computer. A few sites have logged up several hundred invasive strikes. So far, MS sites seen to be facilitating invasiveness the most. However, there are other sites that count up into the hundreds as well. Perhaps Ghostery could be used as a Crap meter?
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Perhaps I have been mistaken for another computer person. At present my only real PC computer has Windows 7 Pro installed on it. If I need to use Windows, that is the computer of use. Even the Dell laptop used for the Windows 10 Insider Preview has a dual boot Windows 7 Pro for intelligent computing when needed. Invasive is a word reserved for Windows 10. I don't lock down W10 as much as NoelC except when I power down the W10 computer.
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Encore: No Crap, the MacBook is updated to 16226 with no errors. Well, the same "old crap" is still there. The invasive theme of W10 hasn't changed. And after this miraculous update, the computers are parked in the safe zone, powered off. The shutdown worked nicely, the computers actually shut down. W10 functions well in the "safe zone."
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Sorry to report No Crap today. The Dell laptop updated to W10 Insider Preview 16226 today with no errors and no loss of WIFI. Everything tested, worked. Please excuse the bewildered forum entry. It's been so long since W10 worked out of the chute. I can't remember when it ever worked out of the chute and this time on the 11 year old Dell! Maybe it's the Dell laptop, second wind? Is it possible that W10 actually worked? Or has the "Blind Chicken" syndrome kicked in? It's too hot in Phoenix for Hell to be freezing over.
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A slow day at Crapspreader, Inc.: Gourmet Crap, a million crows can't be wrong, can they? Saute your apps with programming fluff. A mystique setting that makes your mouth water. You don't even have to logon, MS will do it for you and load you up with choice ops, will make you think that this must be good. Sorry, just dozed off. Must have been a dream.
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A single app running in the background that doesn't identify that it is there but is using system resources might be a T-word.
I'd like to see more of the good T-word, Truth.
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Two users were signed in on each Win 10 test computer. Both computers passed the test. Extra points given. Both computers shutdown with no issues. No problems occurred during the powered off time period. Does crap have something to do with politics?
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The Crap series: "Tale of Two Updates"
Apple MacBook with SSD updated to 16215 in a little over an hour and everything tested is running correctly.
Dell laptop with HDD ran the update for over 12 hours and arrived at 16199 where it started. The good part was that the WIFI was not lost and a restore to the previous release was not needed.
Am wondering if an SSD is needed for a straight line update of 16199 to 16215 as compared to the HDD that did the circle update of 16199 to 16199? In either case the update procedure was not to be stopped short of a shutdown. It appears to be a good decision to not put either computer into a production environment, well maybe the Apple. Perhaps the Dell needs an SSD to compete. The HDD does just spin in a circle.
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Second try of Dell laptop to update Win 10 to 16215: Update completed but WIFI connection was lost. When the PC is powered up, even without a login, the update starts. Well, now the plan is to bring the WIFI back without touching the driver for the Network Adapter.
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Disabled all network adapters in Device Manager. Changed no drivers. Restarted PC. Restart crashed. Restarted PC after crash log completed. WIFI was back. Enabled one network adapter. Connected to normally used network. Does that seem like a lot of crap?
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1 hour ago, JodyT said:
I worry that one day there will be some killer application for Windows 10, that requires me to install it. I hope it will work in Wine by that point ...lol. I can't see myself changing my stance on windows 10.
Wait one, does Wine emulate Windows 10? Or maybe the "killer application" wouldn't need Windows 10 to run and function correctly? Cherry pick an application, Hmmmmm.
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No new Insider W10 crap updates released in more than 3 weeks. Wonder what that means? Does someone think that the product is crap not worth releasing? No, that can't be it. Wonder if they tried to use the product? Sure, they use it every day because it's such a good product. Yup, works great here when the PC is powered off. Not a bit of trouble.
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Those user features that MS has been trying to program into W10 are things that have been working on Apple for years. Just one example: Switch from one user to another is a single key stroke on an iMac and the change is almost immediate. Try that on W10 and several minutes later the activity completes. And yes, Apple products do play well together. Win 10 has a long way to go in that regard.
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The Deeper Impression is that Windows 10 is crap. However, just waiting for the next release of Insider Win 10 to get back to the "Crap" forum. The US holiday weekend must have put them way behind schedule for passing the crap. Didn't really mean that the way it sounds.
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I have no problems with the Windows 10 computer when it's powered off.
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Windows 10 security: Install on a dedicated computer with or without network adapters. To stop all security leaks, shut down the computer. I've found this technique to be fool proof even for me.
Even after a Windows Update in which Win 10 loses the WIFI connection and messages are adamant that no network adapters exist, the Router knows that clandestine Win 10 is using the "non-existent" Internet connection for secret purposes. Shut Down blocks that leak. At least the Router indicates that assumption.
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The crap is piled a little higher. The MacBook is on 16193 and running OK. The Dell laptop is there, too but Win 10 seems to have trouble finding the Dell network adapters. Seems to run the processor at 50% while the rest of the computer is doing little or nothing when it can't find the network adapters. Seems to have some Freeze issues as well. Sort of the old "Branch on Self" programming. Takes holding down the power off button until it shuts down to get control back. Once it finally sees the network adapter and the WIFI is back then the processor runs at less than 10% under normal idle conditions. Oh, and it seemed to take an extra hour for the this update to complete.
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Thanks. Logging on with a local account or a Microsoft account seems to be a factor with that issue, too.
That's an interesting computer that you have. Are you running SSDs as well?
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On 5/16/2017 at 4:23 AM, Dave-H said:
All OK now anyway, I hope the message doesn't come back just as suddenly!
Have seen the issue on and off over the last 6 months give or take a little. The message is not there now on Version 1703, OS Build, 16193. Just out of curiosity, what is your OS Build?
(Arizona summer)
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Oh, crap! Can't believe I did that. Tried to get the Boot Camp Windows 10 partition to become a Dual Boot, Win 10 and Win 7. The Shrink to establish the second partition started to work but wiped out the Apple Host! And Win 10 stopped working as well. However, it was good practice to build out the MacBook back to OS X and Boot Camp Win 10, 16193. Three days and it's back again. Might even be a more stable combination this time. Sorry about the use of "stable." Apple just works if you don't do stupid.
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Yup, more Arizona heat.
Windows 10 - Deeper Impressions
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Perhaps, we need to follow the money that MS gets from advertising and marketing hooks set in W10. And what about data tracking? The W10 computer doesn't have to compute as long as money is generated by the background software that gathers information to sell or provides advertisement to market products. The money trail explains a lot when trying to understand why things are done the way they're done today. Conspiracy theory? No, just marketing protocol. My computer that refuses to update to the next W10 release is becoming more valuable every day.
Arizona: Maybe it's just the heat. (Monsoon may start over the weekend!)