Thinker

All that i'm saying is if you like to put your w98 up to date (wich you should) then there is no point of installing the SP2 (or any) from Gape because there made for the ie5.5 & not 6 so if you update to ie6 then no need to update your 5.5 wich wont be there anymore. no wonder why some of you guy got problems & have to install thinks like lite98 or other things you dont need if you install everything the right way & up to date Windows , dX , Board Bios , etc... there all made for fixing some bugs & compatibility issue. but do what you want i dont care much i was just making some suggestion wich i thought would be great to have for all Anyhow i saw this forum because i was looking as a way include all my updates (ie6,dx9c,wmp9) into my cd of win98se (like i did with XP Slipstream) so this way you just format instal win98se & no update to do all ready to go like my XP cd his now with SP2 included ,oh man! that is just a time saver.

If you are one of the vast majority of internet users that still use slow dialup connections, adding monsters like IE6 and dx9c would force users to into a massive download of which they already might have anyway. If Gape included IE6 and dx9c in sp2, and then for sake of argument, say he released sp2.1 two months later with a few small fixes. That would force everyone to download IE6 and dx9c again, which would be a major kick-in-the-nuts for dialup users. For simplicities sake it is best if very large OS updates be kept separate, letting Gape concentrate on the smaller core updates/patches that everyone is going to want. If you want to grab the full IE6 sp1 admin install, there is very brief guide on how to do that here. After its downloaded, it can be easily added to a custom 98se cdrom. I think you realy missing the point here let's just say that you got dial-up & after installing win98 you go a M$ to do your updates (not DX9 or WMP) but all the rest included ie6 that would take you a long time , right? would wont to do this again But then later on (could be days or weeks) got something wrong with your pc like a big & harmfull virus or you just want to do a fresh new install because your windows is to mess-up or you just want to re-do your partitions you'll have to go back to M$ to download the updates again But what if you could download the SP2 from Gape with already the ie6 & some updates & put it on a cd? maybe long to download from a dial-up but it be only one time & no more after (execpt for new updates that could come out after the SP2 from gape) but those would be small size anyways (althought M$ doesn't support Win98 anymore) Then if you go & reformat your hd with a fresh new installation of w98 then all that you will have to do is take out your win98 cd from the cd-rom then put in your cd with the sp2 from Gape & do your updates from the cd (much faster) So that's why it would also be worth it to the dial-up users Anyhow i dont care much about it because i got a good high speed connection & i'm always using XP Pro (wich i prefer a lot better) i RARELY boot back to Win98se because i'm only using it for older games that wont play in XP even with the compatiblety mode or the VDMsound emulator & that is the only reason why i'm keepping W98se. BTW: already got the ie6 SP1 on a cd with Dx9c & WMP9 (for win98se) so these goes in to windows 98se right after the installation. But i really dont see why gape would not at lest put in ie6 , dont see the point of continue using ie5.5 (way to old , buggy , not safe etc..) EDIT : Forgot to add , Gape could also use Winzip or Winrar to compress & split his SP2 in to a fiew parts for the dial-up users that way you could donwload 1 small part at the time Exp: 10 small files or more for the dial-up users & just one big file for the high speed user

of course he's (Gape) only updating for ie5 or 5.5 & not the ie6 not sure why?

I agree with you 100% he should put ie6 in his service pack i don't care about the size since i got a 5.1 Mb/s connection i usely download around 600 KB/s but even for someone with a slower connection it would be worth it because once you got it on your HD you just have to burn it on a cd & then you don't have to download it again. you format your HD install Win98se then take your updates cd (hopefely made by gape) then click to install the updates & your done , this would be just great. Edit: i hope we gona here from him soon because his last post was the 10 of this mounth

Just go on windows updates & install ie6 until maybe gape add-up all updates of ie6 in his pack or maybe ie 6 itself ,if ever? i guess if you still going to use ie5 your problems may increase also installing dx8.1 would be a good start if you don't need or wont dx9c did you install all your drivers ,chipset , video etc..? one more thing i always boot in to safe-mode to do scan (windows scan , defrag , anti-virus scan etc..) it goes better & faster

I just got one question Why not put in updates for explorer 6? i mean if you do a fresh install of windows 98se , then go on line to micro$oft updates then the first update to be done is explorer 6. i can understand not installing Dx9c & only using Dx8 or Dx8.1 for some older games or software\hardware but not installing explorer 6 , i don't see why not?