Rasken, you are a voice of reason in a forum full of people with their head up their arse. I also have to agree with everything you said, everybody said Win2000 used too much ram (128 min) and why switch when 98 only used 32meg. But what happens a couple years later, 95% of these people switched. Many people said the same about XP, lots of mindless FUD stuff (it's not stable, it's all candy, it uses more ram) which is untrue (ok it is candy but I like candy). Guess what, a good 90% of those people switched. Now these nimrods are at it again, "omfg Vista needs 512 ram?". I should point out that 512ram is only about $80, so price wise, it doesn't cost more than requirements of 2000 or Xp in their day. Then when XP SP2 was getting ready, a bunch of people where saying how they won't run it. Guess what, they are now. And guess what, after about a year they'll all switch to Vista because they'll finally realize it's so much better. But anybody who thinks you need SP1 before an OS is stable is full of it. They obviously don't understand all of the testing MS does, which far exceeds the testing Apple does (Linux might be equal but only because the community tests it). This is the reason Apple is beating MS out on releasing features earlier, MS embraces backwards compatibility along with great new features. it's a double edge sword that's the crutch of Windows, but obviously if you guys didn't like it, you wouldn't be using Windows now. And if you don't use Windows, you're wasting your time on this forum category An OS is a give and take thing people, the more it can take, the more it can give back. I'd rather buy a $30 stick of 256ram and get a superior GUI. You all realize in a few years people won't know htf we ever used a raster based UI because it will be so "pixelated" and any attempts at providing high res (aka high fidelity) meant you had to have tiny icons & graphics that don't scale with the size of the text. I just hope that for every 1 FUD forum user, there are 100 people with their head on their shoulders and can't wait for Vista'a new features.