Here's an update. So i appended that switch to the above 8 updates mentioned in my first post. during T13, 4 windows popped up which are the "wrong switch" thing. So i figured 4 of em worked. According to add/remove programs with "show updates" 2 of them installed...so 6 didnt. The strange thing is that when automatic updates is finished downloading stuff...it shows the 2 updates that are in ad/remove programs as updates ready to be installed. KB939653 & KB938127 are the updates that are both in add/remove programs and still in windows updates. These updates below are the 6 that didnt have correct switches (4 of which said so, 2 didnt...and i dont know which is which) that didnt install. KB928365 kb936181 kb933579 kb928366 kb934238 kb932471 I'd also like to point out that in the $hf-mig$ dir in /windows, there are both the uninstallers for the 2 updates above that are in add/remove programs...ALSO..after running automatic updates and installing 127 again, a new directories appeared in hf-mig except with -ie7 on the 127 update. so now in hf-mig theres a dir called kb938127 and kb938127-ie7 and the file sizes are different. the -ie7 version is about .4mbs lower. Thanks again.