Thank you everyone for helping me out with downloading usp 5.02; you have been most kind. Unfortunately, I disagree, but fortunately without certainly. When I looked at the file dates in 5.02 retro slipstreamed install point today, I found dates only as recent as January 2006 where as 5.1 has dates recent as Apr, 16, 2006. Only one install config file was updated in June 2006 while the lastest date of other files span only to jan 2006. It appears he corrected 5.02, but not updated it. Furthermore, a few M$ March/April hotfixes file dates match dates of corresponding files in USP 5.1 but not 5.02 retro. I think gurgelmeyer may have not inlcuded new hotfixes because wanted to focus on 5.1, and wanted to increase the stability and reliability of USP 5.02. To double check, keep reading... To anyone: My computer is not connected to the internet (I am poor, incollege, and will sing for a quarter). Someone else please test my conclusion with these steps: 1) perform clean install windows 2000 pro with usp 5.02 retro. 2) connect to m$ windows update (wu) 3) note the kb number of the earliest, not latest, hotfix presented by wu other than the Update Rollup 1 (UR-1) ur-1 normally shows up even if it's installed. 5.) cross reference the kb number with this forum post http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=58360. 6.) If it shows up and pertains to w2k itself, it is not in the service pack. Gurgel was meticulous and made sure wu correctly detected them (except UR-1 (kernel mode driver in) which shows up after hfslip too). Change from original version of this post: Wul.exe, which is freeware from nirsoft.com does not detect hotfixes slipstreamed into USP 5.x but does detect hotfixes slipstreamed with hfslip. In other words, I think you should still use usb 5.x but use wu to check which patches are needed. If Gurgelmeyer is not well, is he at least alive? He mentioned a heart condition. Even if this zombie (not alive or dead) project dies, it would be nice to know Gurgelmuyer didn't pass away or doesn't and eventually recovers. I want to be positive for now. Dead project or not, all should keep your USP 5.Xs , because hfslip now supports integrating usp 5.02 and 5.1 as well as hotfixes into your installation point. HFslip is not quite as polished is some ways, but it works very well. It's also much less work to patch windows with usp5.02 or usp 5.1 rather than sp4. Off the topic: NLite is also good after slipstreaming usp 5.1 or 5.02 because it allows you to disable kernel paging in w2k and winXP which is great if you have plently of ram. I hope my going slightly off topic is okay. Thank you and take care, SirBrainChild