need help with Microsoft Licensing

[burdman110]

I have a hypothetical question that I am having a hard time finding answers too, so Id appreciate any help or insight. I need to found out what / how many licenses I would need for a small business .

70 users

PC: 75 (50 with win XP and 25 with win2000)

laptops: 25 (10 with winXP and 15 with win2000)

Servers (6 total; windows 2003 server):

1: File/ Print Server

1: Applications Server

1: Exchange Server 2003

1: SQL Server 2003

1: Terminal Server

1: Web Server (IIS)

I have been trying to answer this on my own from the microsoft website, but havent had any luck getting the answers I need. so if anyone has any suggestions to help me find these answers or can point me in the right direction. Thanks

[fizban2]

here is what i see:

60 XP licenses

40 2000 licenses

6 server 2003 licenses

1 SQL server license

1 exchange 2003 license

1 terminal Server licence (based on cals though depending on how many people are gonna connect though it)

IIS is built into 2003 you don't need a seperate license for that, neither the app or file printer servers (outside 2003) you probably would want to try and up grade all the machines to XP if possible, would be hard to find somplace to buy good licenses for it.

where you looking for prices? or just what you would need?

Edited October 10, 2005 by fizban2

[burdman110]

wow thanks! that was mainly what I was looking for, but how would you go about finding the prices? also there are different versions of Windows 2003 server, would there be a recommended version to buy for that amount of users and number of servers?

another question, do you have to buy additional licenses for the number of users for each server?

Edited October 10, 2005 by burdman110

[Daemonforce]

here is what i see:

60 XP licenses

40 2000 licenses

6 server 2003 licenses

1 SQL server license

1 exchange 2003 license

1 terminal Server licence (based on cals though depending on how many people are gonna connect though it)

IIS is built into 2003 you don't need a seperate license for that, neither the app or file printer servers (outside 2003) you probably would want to try and up grade all the machines to XP if possible, would be hard to find somplace to buy good licenses for it.

where you looking for prices? or just what you would need?

I see:

1 XP Pro VLK

1 2KPro VLK

1 Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition license

[aspenjim]

Small Business Server premium would almost do everything you need.... however, it only supports 75 clients. You would need a Dell 2850 w/ a few 15k SCSi drives.

[fizban2]

here is what i see:

60 XP licenses

40 2000 licenses

6 server 2003 licenses

1 SQL server license

1 exchange 2003 license

1 terminal Server licence (based on cals though depending on how many people are gonna connect though it)

IIS is built into 2003 you don't need a seperate license for that, neither the app or file printer servers (outside 2003) you probably would want to try and up grade all the machines to XP if possible, would be hard to find somplace to buy good licenses for it.

where you looking for prices? or just what you would need?

I see:

1 XP Pro VLK

1 2KPro VLK

1 Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition license

Daemon

He really doesn't have to spend that much on a volume licenses key, plus i don't think he has that available to him till he hits 250 users or more.

[qoute name=Microsoft Webpage]

Begin Choosing Your Solution

Answer the preceding questions and consider which of the following volume licensing programs most accurately describes your organization and meets your priorities.

Your Organization Has Fewer Than 250 Computers

The Open License program's flexibility and low entry requirements make it a great program for organizations with fewer than 250 computers. Open License offers three variations to meet many organization's needs. Open License program offerings are available through a broad reseller channel base such as retail stores, solution providers, and online vendors. There are three Open License program offerings to choose from.

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Open License Value. For organizations with as few as five desktops that would like the advantages of Software Assurance and the ability to spread payments annually.

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Open License Volume. For customers able to acquire 500 points in a single pool upfront. This offering provides additional potential savings compared with the other Open License offerings.

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Open License Business. This program requires an initial acquisition of only five licenses.

Your Organization Has More Than 250 Computers

If your organization has more than 250 computers, then you should consider the Select License, Enterprise Agreement, or Enterprise Agreement Subscription programs, which may fit your organization's software needs and acquisition models more closely. These programs are offered through Microsoft Large Account Resellers (LAR) and Microsoft Enterprise Software Advisors (ESA).

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Select License is designed for organizations with mixed software and acquisition requirements. Select License customers receive a volume price level for each pool of software selected (applications, systems, or servers) based on a three-year software forecast. At the end of the agreement the customer can continue to use the software properly licensed and paid for. A customer can renew any Software Assurance that was acquired to continue receiving the associated benefits.

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Enterprise Agreement is designed for organizations that prefer to standardize their Microsoft software throughout their organization based on the Microsoft enterprise products (Microsoft Office Professional, Microsoft Windows Professional desktop operating system upgrade, and Core Client Access License) at prices based on a three-year agreement term. At the end of the agreement, the customer can continue to use the software properly licensed and paid for. A customer can renew their Enterprise Agreement enrollment to continue to receive the associated benefits and use any later versions of the software that become available during that renewal term.

•

Enterprise Subscription Agreement is designed for organizations that prefer to standardize their Microsoft software throughout their organization based on the Microsoft enterprise products (Microsoft Office Professional, Microsoft Windows Professional desktop operating system upgrade, and Core Client Access License) at prices based on a three-year agreement term. At the end of the subscription the rights to use the software end and the customer must either uninstall the software or renew its Enterprise Subscription enrollment.

[/qoute]

http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/resources/default.mspx

you can check here more for licensing options for your company, most likely you wil end up going through CDW or dell or someone else for your licenese

[fizban2]

wow thanks! that was mainly what I was looking for, but how would you go about finding the prices? CDW would be a good place to go, or if you buy PCs from dell or HP they can handle licensing also also there are different versions of Windows 2003 server, would there be a recommended version to buy for that amount of users and number of servers? Server 2003 standard would be fine for your environment, 2003 enterprise would only be needed if you wanted to create computer clusters or want hot swappable memory (is the servers support it) or a few other features. But the standard would work fine in your environment, thought that could be wrong base on the work your users do, if they are all engineers working in autocad or something you may need to rethink what you need.

another question, do you have to buy additional licenses for the number of users for each server? there are 2 ways to do licensesing per server or per user/ device. you will most likely you per user / device

[Daemonforce]

Daemon

He really doesn't have to spend that much on a volume licenses key, plus i don't think he has that available to him till he hits 250 users or more.

Crap....I guess I think so big I don't see the small detail.

The individual license thing sounds a bit expensive to me. I guess I'm lazy too.

=/

[fizban2]

Daemon,

VLK would be nice and does make the whole licensing scheme a whole lot simpler. But it would be overkill for a company that small, they would never get anything back from the it, and they would never user the VLK to it full advantage.

[Daemonforce]

Daemon,

VLK would be nice and does make the whole licensing scheme a whole lot simpler. But it would be overkill for a company that small, they would never get anything back from the it, and they would never user the VLK to it full advantage.

I wouldn't say that.

Every business has to expand at some point. Whether it be one piece of equipment every year, or they become as bloated as each Microsoft OS....=/

If this business is expanding quickly, I'm sure it will eventually take full advantage of volume licensing.

[At0mic]

In my opinion you need the following;

60 Windows XP licenses

40 Windows 2000 licenses

6 server 2003 licenses

1 SQL server license

1 exchange server 2003 license

70 windows server 2003 cals (assuming everybody needs access to a server)

70 exchange server 2003 cals (assuming everybody needs access to exchange)

70 Terminal server cals (assuming everybody needs access to Terminal server)

70 SQL Server cals (assuming everybody needs access to SQL Server)

Bear in mind that you do get some cals with a server licence. I think that windows Server comes with 5 cals for example.

Its difficult to buy windows 2000 licences these days but theres no point anyway. If your able to get onto the microsoft genuine advantage or open advantage (I forgot the correct name) you could buy 100 windows xp licences and you automatically get a vlk product key for both windows xp and for windows 2000. you will then be legally and officailly licenced for both windows 2000 and windows xp (as long as you dont go over 100 for the combination of both for example). This way, you could upgrade the 40 windows 2000 machines to windows xp sometime in the future should you wich to do so, and it wont cost you anymore money. The same applies for office 2003 because you get a choice of using either 2003 or xp. I think the same applies for exchange 2003 client licenses as well. If you bought cals for exchange 2000 after a certain date, your licenced for 2003 as well but you would need to check up on this.

Edited October 11, 2005 by At0mic

[fizban2]

bah,

you are right atomic, i forgot to add in the cals.... thanks

[gfincher]

Volume licenses are available (and reasonable) for as few as 5 seats. You might want to look into the details of the program that Microsoft announced yesterday here:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2...ncementsPR.mspx

As well as the new Microsoft Incentives website:

https://www.microsoftincentives.com/

They are REALLY offering some interesting reasons for Small Businesses to buy in to their various volume license programs, as the bulk of the worlds computers ARE indeed running in small to medium businesses.

Hope this helps!

gfincher

[fizban2]

wow very cool gfincher

[Daemonforce]

Volume licenses are available (and reasonable) for as few as 5 seats. You might want to look into the details of the program that Microsoft announced yesterday here:

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2...ncementsPR.mspx

As well as the new Microsoft Incentives website:

https://www.microsoftincentives.com/

They are REALLY offering some interesting reasons for Small Businesses to buy in to their various volume license programs, as the bulk of the worlds computers ARE indeed running in small to medium businesses.

Hope this helps!

gfincher

I knew I wasn't crazy. I just remembered my 2003 ENT VLK disc defaults at 5 seats and just goes up and up...x_X' I believe my XP VLK goes to a max of 77 seats.

These are really great.

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I need to stop consuming so much caffeine.