Just downloaded MS Visual Basic 2005 Beta. Pretty nice GUI, but a bit slow on some selections (and I have a Pentiun 4 3.2GHz HT, so that shouldn't be a problem). Each property menu is different, but if you are looking to make something *real* fast, this is the way to do it!

In the process of downloading J#, too.

I just uninstalled C# and C++ 2005. In my opinion they are the biggest wastes of memory out there. As far as C# is concerned the IDE was running as two processes one taking up 80MB+ of ram and the other taking up 20MB+ of ram. I opened the same project in VS.Net 2002 and noticed the IDE took up between 20 and 40MB of ram. I liked some of the new features such as refactoring but the IDE is not worth the footprint that it takes.

Don't get me wrong I'm not an MS basher, I'm sure when they go gold the IDE's will be better optimized and run smoother but the beta's are just that. Beta's.

I've just ordered the disk to save download time as i am on dialup and rural

max speed is less than 33kb

will post when done