iqsman Posted November 14, 2007 Posted November 14, 2007 Hello all, This is my first post so I apologize if this is a widely known issue. I was on a time constraint and needed the information as quickly as possible, so any help is appreciated in advance. I am working on building a sysprep image on an Intel Centrino Duo processor laptop and have it work on as many models of laptops as possible. I wasn't sure if it was possible to have it work all the way back to plain old Pentium 4 laptops (simple ACPI). I already know about the whole "not dropping an image onto a hard drive smaller than the source drive", so I set the source machine up with a smaller partition (12GB). This should cover the majority if laptops we have in our environment. I Sysprep'd the source machine with the sysprep.inf file listed below, and got the mass sotrage information straight from the source machine using the sysprep -bmsd command. The problem I'm having is dropping the image to another laptop (Pentium M in this case). After imaging, the system goes to a black screen and nothing happens. I've been making images for a while, and this is driving me crazy. Sysprep is usually not a problem for me, but since these darn dual cores I've been stumped!Thanks again!IQS[unattended]OemSkipEULA=YesDriverSigningPolicy=ignoreExtendOemPartition=1UpdateUPHAL="ACPIAPIC_UP,%WINDIR%\Inf\Hal.inf"[guiunattended]OEMSkipWelcome=1OemSkipRegional=1timezone=35adminpassword=********[userdata]fullname="Name"Orgname="Company"[display]bitsperpel=16vrefresh=60xresolution=1024yresolution=768[networking]InstallDefaultComponents=Yes[identification]joinworkgroup=workgroup[sysprep] 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draxx Posted November 14, 2007 Posted November 14, 2007 (edited) I've always found that issue to be HAL related. Try changing the HAL to Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) before creating the image. This MAY not work for the laptops though, as I believe they use a different HAL again (cant remember which), but it doesn't hurt to try. Another thing I've found to be helpful is to change the HDD controller driver to Standard PCI IDE - see how you go with these suggestions! Edited November 14, 2007 by draxx
iqsman Posted November 14, 2007 Author Posted November 14, 2007 I've always found that issue to be HAL related. Try changing the HAL to Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) before creating the image. This MAY not work for the laptops though, as I believe they use a different HAL again (cant remember which), but it doesn't hurt to try. Another thing I've found to be helpful is to change the HDD controller driver to Standard PCI IDE - see how you go with these suggestions!I was thinking something HAL related, however my old images work fine with teh basic ACPI HAL, however that seems to diable the dual core properties of the processor! I am currently running on a Dell Latitude D830 with a Centrino Duo and its only showing one processor in task mgr. This got to a point on some HP models we manage that once imaged, the dual core option in the BIOS had to be disabled just to get them to boot after imaging!The strange thing is...I basically had this same issue with desktops, but I kept the same sysprep.inf I was using before and just added the line...UpdateUPHAL="ACPIAPIC_UP,%WINDIR%\Inf\Hal.inf"...and now that is working fine. Of course I was able to plug in a nice small HDD to make the image on, so I didn't have to worry about partitions or anything. IQS
draxx Posted November 14, 2007 Posted November 14, 2007 You might be on the right track there with UpdateUPHAL="ACPIAPIC_UP,%WINDIR%\Inf\Hal.inf", but I think it needs to be changed for notebooks.These 2 sites might help http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309283 & http://blog.case.edu/djc6/2005/09/22/imagi...t_hals_wsysprepLet me know how you get on....
iqsman Posted November 15, 2007 Author Posted November 15, 2007 Well I think I found something else new...I was able to change the HAL on the source machine from ACPI Multiprocessor to simple ACPI. I am using the Halmacpi.dll as my HAL.DLL in C:\Windows\System32\. I then pulled the image with the computer listing as ACPI after a couple of reboots. When the system ran through sysprep, it was able to automatically change to ACPI Multiprocessor as it should. I then dropped this same image onto a Pentium M laptop and got as far as the mini-setup, but that later hung, then after a power off and back on, I'm back to the black screen with nothing happening. I'm assuming that during the mini-setup, the HAL was changed from ACPI to something else and that hosed the machine. I'm going to try removing the UPDATEUPHAL line from my sysprep.inf file and see what happens. I'm hoping that at the very least, I'll just have to select the proper HAL once in Windows to enable the dual core processor, but we'll see...!IQS
iqsman Posted November 15, 2007 Author Posted November 15, 2007 Well I'm now kind of back where I started...upon further review, since I took that UPDATEUPHAL line out of the sysprep.inf file, I now start with a baseline of ACPI and remain at ACPI after imaging. I tried to go in and make a change, but now my only options are ACPI or Standard PC. This is basically where all of my laptop images were before. It works with virtually any system, but the possibility of a dual core processor is out of the question. The dual cores will show up as simple acpi and not take advantage of the dual core capability. Any ideas?IQS
IcemanND Posted November 15, 2007 Posted November 15, 2007 Some systems have drives that when they install require a certain HAL, then TPM driver in Lenovo laptops for example will not install if the HAL is standard ACPI and mini setup will stall. You can switch between uni and multi processor HALs using sysprep, to go back to standard ACPI you need to script something to cahnge the HAL. If you start with ACPI standard then you need to script something to cahnge it to uni or multiporcessor.There are many topis here regarding this search for "universal image" or "hardware independent image"
iqsman Posted November 15, 2007 Author Posted November 15, 2007 Some systems have drives that when they install require a certain HAL, then TPM driver in Lenovo laptops for example will not install if the HAL is standard ACPI and mini setup will stall. You can switch between uni and multi processor HALs using sysprep, to go back to standard ACPI you need to script something to cahnge the HAL. If you start with ACPI standard then you need to script something to cahnge it to uni or multiporcessor.There are many topis here regarding this search for "universal image" or "hardware independent image"Anyone have a sample script I could try out to change the HAL on the fly while sysprep is taking place?Thanks in advance!IQS
IcemanND Posted November 15, 2007 Posted November 15, 2007 http://www.myitforum.com/articles/15/view.asp?id=8997http://jimtsay.googlepages.com/mysysprephttp://www.altirigos.com/vbulletin/imaging...3.html#post5960
iTwins Posted December 5, 2007 Posted December 5, 2007 I wonder if you guys are over-reacting on this Sysprep / HAL issue.I have a Sysprep image that did not include the UpdateUPHAL entry and I am able to restore it onto most computer configurations. The image was created from VMWare Worktation v6.0 (Microsoft recommends Virtual PC 2007 for creating the Sysprep image as they claim it to be more compatible than physical computers). My colleagues and I have so far tested it on the following brands and models:Dell Optiplex GX240, GX260, GX270, GX280, GX520 745, 755 (Desktops)Dell Latitude D410, D420, D430, D430 (with SSD), D610, D620, D630 (Laptops)Dell Precision 380, 390 (Workstations)Lenovo Thinkpad X41 Tablet PC, X60, X60 Tablet PC, X61 Tablet PC (Laptops)My home computers: 4 desktops and 4 notebooks of various processors and RAID/AHCI/SATA/SCSI/IDE configurationsAll work execept my cheapo Taiwanese-made BenQ S73G gaming notebook. However, I don't think it had anything to do with the HAL as it runs on a 1.7Ghz Intel Core Duo processor. It refuses even to bootup and I suspect it may have something to do with the non-standard BIOS. I think it is fair to say that if you don't have to support any legacy hardware (pre-HyperThreading processors) then you really don't need worry about this confusing HAL issue. According to Microsoft referring to the UpdateUPHAL Sysprep entry:"This entry is not required in Windows XP or the Windows Server 2003 family."http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserve...3.mspx?mfr=trueAlso, personally I think Microsoft's ImageX is a better cloning tool than Ghost or Acronis. Apart from its speed, I noticed that it is more hardware friendly than Ghost. I don't know why but it is. Because of this, I have since helped my company's move from Ghost to ImageX. Not only did it saved over US$1 million for 100,000+ licenses but it also chipped a lot time wasted on the time it take to clone an image.
IcemanND Posted December 5, 2007 Posted December 5, 2007 You are absolutely correct, if you are not supporting OLD hardware, pre HT processor then you would not run into the HAL issues. If only that were the case where I work. Every machine you have listed that you have tested is an ACPI UNI or ACPI Multi processor HAL. Try putting it on a Dell GX400 or earlier machine (except the GX300, Dells attempt a a dual processor machine) and unless you upgrade the BIOS and change a setting in it it will likely puke or run like crap.
iTwins Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 (edited) dupe! Edited December 6, 2007 by iTwins
iTwins Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 (edited) You are absolutely correct, if you are not supporting OLD hardware, pre HT processor then you would not run into the HAL issues. If only that were the case where I work. Every machine you have listed that you have tested is an ACPI UNI or ACPI Multi processor HAL. Try putting it on a Dell GX400 or earlier machine (except the GX300, Dells attempt a a dual processor machine) and unless you upgrade the BIOS and change a setting in it it will likely puke or run like crap.Microsoft MVP Setup & Development - Johan Arwidmark wrote vbscripts for WinPE 2005 and v2.0 that detect the number of processors on the target system and then writes the correct UpdateUPHAL value in Sysprep.inf. Well, that script didn't work on WinPE v2.0 but it did gave me an idea how to workaround it. I don't have the link for the original scripts but here's the ZTIHALDETECT.VBS that supposedly solved the problem:'//////////////////////////////////////////////////'//'// Script File:'//'// ZTIHalDetect.vbs'//'// This script updates sysprep.inf with correct HAL Type'// The Reference (master) computer should be built from'// an Advanced ACPI computer'//'// Use this script for WIM images (Imagex, OSD, WDS)'//'//////////////////////////////////////////////////Set oWshShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell")Set oFSO = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")' Customize the local sysprep.inf file based on the HAL typeCall UpdateSysprepinf ()' Done, quit.WScript.QuitSub UpdateSysprepinf () ' Find out the HAL type sHalType = oWshShell.RegRead("HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\Root\ACPI_HAL000\HardwareID") If sHalType(0) = "acpiapic" Then if oWshShell.Environment.item("NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS") = 1 then WriteIni "c:\sysprep\sysprep.inf", "Unattended", "UpdateUPHAL", "ACPIAPIC_UP,%WINDIR%\Inf\Hal.inf" else writeini "c:\sysprep\sysprep.inf", "Unattended", "UpdateHAL", "ACPIAPIC_MP,%WINDIR%\Inf\Hal.inf" end if ElseIf sHalType(0) = "acpiapic_up" Then WriteIni "c:\sysprep\sysprep.inf", "Unattended", "UpdateUPHAL", "ACPIAPIC_UP,%WINDIR%\Inf\Hal.inf" ElseIf sHalType(0) = "acpiapic_mp" Then writeini "c:\sysprep\sysprep.inf", "Unattended", "UpdateHAL", "ACPIAPIC_MP,%WINDIR%\Inf\Hal.inf" End ifEnd SubFunction ReadIni(file, section, item) ReadIni = "" file = Trim(file) item = Trim(item) Set ini = oFSO.OpenTextFile( file, 1, True) Do While ini.AtEndOfStream = False line = ini.ReadLine line = Trim(line) If LCase(line) = "[" & LCase(section) & "]" Then line = ini.ReadLine line = Trim(line) Do While Left( line, 1) <> "[" 'If InStr( 1, line, item & "=", 1) = 1 Then equalpos = InStr(1, line, "=", 1 ) If equalpos > 0 Then leftstring = Left(line, equalpos - 1 ) leftstring = Trim(leftstring) If LCase(leftstring) = LCase(item) Then ReadIni = Mid( line, equalpos + 1 ) ReadIni = Trim(ReadIni) Exit Do End If End If If ini.AtEndOfStream Then Exit Do line = ini.ReadLine line = Trim(line) Loop Exit Do End If Loop ini.CloseEnd FunctionSub WriteIni( file, section, item, myvalue ) in_section = False section_exists = False item_exists = ( ReadIni( file, section, item ) <> "" ) wrote = False file = Trim(file) itemtrimmed = Trim(item) myvalue = Trim(myvalue) temp_ini = oFSO.GetParentFolderName(file) & "\" & oFSO.GetTempName Set read_ini = oFSO.OpenTextFile( file, 1, True, TristateFalse ) Set write_ini = oFSO.CreateTextFile( temp_ini, False) While read_ini.AtEndOfStream = False line = read_ini.ReadLine linetrimmed = Trim(line) If wrote = False Then If LCase(line) = "[" & LCase(section) & "]" Then section_exists = True in_section = True ElseIf InStr( line, "[" ) = 1 Then in_section = False End If End If If in_section Then If item_exists = False Then write_ini.WriteLine line write_ini.WriteLine item & "=" & myvalue wrote = True in_section = False Else equalpos = InStr(1, line, "=", 1 ) If equalpos > 0 Then leftstring = Left(line, equalpos - 1 ) leftstring = Trim(leftstring) If LCase(leftstring) = LCase(item) Then write_ini.WriteLine itemtrimmed & "=" & myvalue wrote = True in_section = False End If End If If Not wrote Then write_ini.WriteLine line End If End If Else write_ini.WriteLine line End If Wend If section_exists = False Then ' section doesn't exist write_ini.WriteLine write_ini.WriteLine "[" & section & "]" write_ini.WriteLine itemtrimmed & "=" & myvalue End If read_ini.Close write_ini.Close If oFSO.FileExists(file) then oFSO.DeleteFile file, True End if oFSO.CopyFile temp_ini, file, true oFSO.DeleteFile temp_ini, TrueEnd SubFound it. Johan Arwidmark's Blog is here:http://www.myitforum.com/articles/15/view.asp?id=8997 Edited December 6, 2007 by iTwins
iTwins Posted December 6, 2007 Posted December 6, 2007 (edited) Dup! Edited December 6, 2007 by iTwins
Mordac85 Posted December 18, 2007 Posted December 18, 2007 @iTwins - Correct me if I'm wrong, but the UpdateUPHAL line checks the HAL required, Uni or Multi, and chooses the correct one for the platform being built. If the master is built on a Multiprocessor, and will be deployed on only Multi or Uniprocessor systems, you don't need this line but you will have a performance hit on the Uni's running a Multi proc HAL. If iqsman needs to deploy to ACPI systems as well, he should build it on a Uni or Multiprocessor system then change the HAL in device manager to ACPI before running sysprep.Luckily, I was able to convince corp that it's not cost effective to support the pre-HT systems so I only have Uni\Multi proc systems to maintain. And as a result, haven't had a problem with my image on any dual core systems, but I wasn't sure from his original post if he needed to include support for ACPI HAL or if this was just a Uni/Multi HAL problem.@iqsman - Did you copy the original HAL files to %SystemRoot%\Driver Cache\i386 before running sysprep so the UpdateUPHAL line had something to load?
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