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I just updated an Acer laptop that had been restored to factory 8.0. Had to download and install 179 updates to 8.0, including two supposedly optional ones, before the 8.1 update would download and install.
That took about 24 hours! Most of that time was spent installing the update and this is not a slow computer.
Is there an 8.1 update download that includes 100% of everything it needs so it can be installed onto a clean 8.0 install?
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I don't have $300+ for a 1TB SSD
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Telling me what sort of brick wall it crashed into at 76% would have been nice, so would not trashing/properly restoring the Win 7 critical boot information.
You sure it was stuck? I only mention that because from what I recall it normally sticks at certain percentage points rather than counting up continuously. Granted, if the data is all on your drive it shouldn't stall waiting for the network.
Having less than 50 GB of free space could be a problem. I'd suggest making as much as possible available.
At this point why not do a fresh, clean install from a disk or ISO? Back up all your data and format the drive during install.
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Yes, most definitely stuck. I had been up at some point during the night and checked on it, and in the morning the screen display hadn't changed. It doesn't/shouldn't take that long for the upgrade to complete.
Currently 71.8 gig free on C: I've downloaded and burned the x64 Win10 ISO.
One thing I do wonder about being a potential problem is when I upgraded to 7.1 from XP on this PC I used PC Mover to transplant a lot of my installed software. Most of what I moved with it "just worked". A few had to be reinstalled to make them work on 7.1. Don't know if there may be something in the Registry or elsewhere leftover from XP to cause trouble.
I have a 1TB drive I could use to do a clean Win10 install onto, which should work if MS has the info that this computer gets a freebie.
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After updating two other desktops and a laptop to Windows 10, the laptop and one desktop from 7 and the other desktop from 8.1, without a problem, and the 7 desktop with only a very non-techy person present - I figured it was time to go for it on *my* primary PC.
Ehhh, that didn't go too well. I'd waited for *months* for it to tell me my upgrade was ready, so I found out how to force it to start. After seeing it going along well I went to bed. Got up this morning to find it stuck fast at 76%.
So I poked the reset button and got the message that it was restoring my previous Windows. Uh, huh. Sure it was. What it had actually done was frag the BCD. So I got Easy Recovery Essentials for Win 7.
That only made it *worse* by wrecking the boot sector, MBR or both. Fortunately for me, I had the Win 7 x64 ISO available and used another computer with ImgBurn (after the burner included on the Easy RE Linux boot disc failed to burn it properly). The automated recovery on that DVD failed too.
I finally got it fixed by following the manual process under Step 3 here https://neosmart.net/wiki/recovering-windows-bootloaderOne thing that does not mention is that by highlighting the loooong string between the {brackets} you can enter it for each step with a right click.
Upon booting back to Windows 7, Windows update said the 10 upgrade failed with C1900101-4000D Unknown Error. Oh, soooo helpful, not. Telling me what sort of brick wall it crashed into at 76% would have been nice, so would not trashing/properly restoring the Win 7 critical boot information.
I'm now moving a bunch of gigs of stuff off C: to another drive so I'll have 50~60 gig free space, and will also make a recovery disk and other things to make fixing it easier, should the upgrade blow it up again. (This was so much easier to fix in XP when all that was needed was a boot disk with ATTRIB, FDISK and a text editor to edit boot.ini.)
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A Widows 10 system being used with an external USB audio digitizer is having problems with recording levels. Adjusting the gain control on the external box results in either undistorted sound that is almost too quiet to hear, or overdriven distortion.
There is no happy medium. The same problem happened on Windows 8.1 - but NOT on XP - with the same hardware. The owner took the free upgrade from 8.1 to 10, hoping that the audio problem would be corrected.
The PC's audio is onboard Realtek HD Audio with the latest driver downloaded from Realtek. The external box uses the default USB audio input drivers that come with Windows. (Which annoyingly will only play through while recording is happening, no monitoring capability.)
How do I shut down all of Windows' fiddling about with recording processing so it will function correctly, like it did with Ye Olde XP? A Registry file that does the job would be very nice.
I got fed up with Automatic Gain Control (AGC) that could not be shut off on tape recording hardware in the 80's. Had to spend a lot of money to NOT GET a useless feature. Now Microsoft appears to have decided that Windows "benefits" from ruining audio recording with badly done AGC.
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When I get my laptop back from getting the backlight fixed, I'll see if this works.
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I just did the free upgrade from Win 7 ultimate x64 to Win 10 Pro on a mpc TransPort T2500, same thing as a Samsung x65.
Everything works except for the Memory Stick and MMC functions of the built in ricoh multi-card reader. Same issue I had with Windows 7. I downloaded a Ricoh driver from Lenovo that's supposed to support Win 10 x64 but 10 is rejecting it.
The SD card function of the reader works, as it did in 7, without needing additional drivers.
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Try running:
runassystem64.exe "runfromtoken64.exe trustedinstaller.exe 1 cmd.exe"
to open a DOS Box as the Trusted Installer, and then run the batch from that DOS Box.
This, if anything, may work.
Nope. CMD immediately quits. So next I called the batch file to run ntregopt with the trusted installer token from the batch file that launches CMD with it. Still blocked.
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net stop trustedinstaller
net start trustedinstaller
runassystem64.exe "runfromtoken64.exe trustedinstaller.exe 1 ntregopt.exe"No difference, except with the 1 there it doesn't run ntregopt if the batch file is run as administrator. Still denied access to all hives.
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Not working. I got the runassystem and runastoken and the SetACL and the batch file to change the CLSIDs just sits there doing nothing after displaying its first line.
Have you got it working, after all?
No. If I want to ensure the Registry is neat and tidy I'll do the WinPE disc thing.
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Things I find especially useful about CCleaner, which I began using back when it was still called Crap Cleaner.
Browser database compaction.
Browser cache cleaning - because when something crashes a browser its own cache empty function often fails to delete everything (I'm looking at *you*, IE).
Removing entries in Programs and Features to clean up after programs with nonexistent or badly done/broken uninstall. It does a better job at that than Microsoft's cleanup tool.
Removing orphan registry data left behind by 99.9% of all software when uninstalled - thanks to Microsoft failing for decades to have Windows rigidly enforce a proper garbage collection policy.
Completely emptying Temp folders, same thing there, when Windows or a program crashes and leavse junk in a temp folder, it will usually get left there because the program or Windows has lost track of it.
Other than the browser database compaction, everything CCleaner does can be done using Regedit and Explorer, but it will take you many hours and you have to know what to look for and how/where to find it. For programs I want to remove but the author(s) failed to include a working uninstall, I can simply delete the files and folders then have CCleaner find all Registry data connected to those now missing files and folders and remove them.
I've NEVER had CCleaner cause any damage to Windows. I like to keep it clean and tidy and using as little storage and RAM as possible - that goes back to the first hard drive I owned. It was a massive (physically) full height 5.25" Tandon with a stepper motor actuated head. Capacity was five megabytes. Not gig, meg. There was a 10 meg version of the drive that had four platters instead of the two in the 5 meg, but I didn't have that kind of $$$$. I installed DOS and all the software I had at the time - which filled up half of the drive. Now I routinely work with single document files that wouldn't fit on that hard drive.
Is this progress or data bloat?Programmers ought to have to learn the basics on hardware with very limited storage and memory so they'll get the concept ingrained that to produce the best performance they should eliminate all unnecessary code and data. Then when they get to work with systems that have gigabytes of RAM, terabytes of storage and gigahertz of speed, they'll know how to get amazing performance instead of dumping a load of crap onto it just because there's "so much" space and speed that "it really doesn't matter". When you've used computers that specified 100 nanosecond DRAM but had so much slack in RAM timing they could take advantage of 80 nanosecond DRAM - and the hardware was slow enough you could easily see the speed difference (especially during POST memory check, tick - tick - tick VS tickticktick) - that's when you come to appreciate the difference very well crafted software makes.
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I've seen registry size reduction of up to 25% with NTREGOPT on PCs that had gone a few years without any maintenance at all, not even keeping up with windows update.
What NTREGOPT does is what using the /E then the /C commands with command line REGEDIT did in Windows 9x. Write all the valid data out to a new copy of the registry then import that clean copy back, completely replacing the old.
If you set up a PC then never change anything, never uninstall software, never do anything that will leave orphan data in the registry, then there is no need to do anything to compact or clear out the junk.
Microsoft long ago should have had a rigidly enforced policy in Windows that uninstall of software would be required to remove %100 of everything the install put in. There was a 3rd party program for Windows 95 called Rosenthal Uninstall which did that. It monitored every software install and made notes of all files, folders, registry, ini file changes and everything else the install did. Then after uninstalling the software Rosenthal could be used to remove everything the uninstall didn't delete. But since it relied on a DOS mode TSR loading before Windows it didn't work with Windows 98 and later.
Microsoft should have bought that and incorporated the method into Windows. It would make it a much more stable OS, especially for people who are always changing the programs on their computer. System Restore does NOT compare to that because you can't use it to just remove one program completely and it often deletes files and software you do not want gone.
Last week something partially screwed up audio on one of my Win7 boxes. Some games and programs would play their audio, some would not. WMP12 would play nothing, nor would any other media player yet all the Windows GUI sounds worked, so did any audio and video on YouTube, Yahoo Screen and other websites. Turned out to be DirextX 11 had become corrupted and reinstalling that fixed it. Before I figured that out I tried to System Restore back to the last automatic checkpoint - it failed. Had it worked I would've lost some software installs and bunch of other things that had nothing at all to do with the audio problem.
Microsoft's way is not always the best way.
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Not working. I got the runassystem and runastoken and the SetACL and the batch file to change the CLSIDs just sits there doing nothing after displaying its first line.
http://vorck.com/windows/ntauth.html
Edit: removed the -silent options and now it's visibly doing things...
Edit2: Still going, repeatedly saying setacl finished successfully
Edit3: Oh F this. Been running that batch file for about 45 minutes.
I put the runas and set acl exes in the same folder as ntregopt. When I run this batch file from an elevated command prompt, it stops and starts trusted installer then flashes another window and quits.
net stop trustedinstallernet start trustedinstallerrunassystem64.exe "runfromtoken64.exe trustedinstaller.exe ntregopt.exe"
@ECHO OFFECHO Processing CLSID permissionsREM SET SETACLX64=C:\windows\system32\setaclx64.exeFOR /F "tokens=1,2,3,4,5 delims=\" %%A IN ('REG.EXE query HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\') DO ( SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E" -ot reg -actn setowner -ownr "n:S-1-5-32-544;s:y" -rec yes -silent SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E" -ot reg -actn ace -ace "n:S-1-5-32-544;p:full;s:y;i:so,sc;m:set;w:dacl" -rec yes -silent SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E" -ot reg -actn ace -ace "n:S-1-5-80-956008885-3418522649-1831038044-1853292631-2271478464;p:full;s:y;i:so,sc;m:revoke;w:dacl" -rec yes -silent)FOR /F "tokens=1,2,3,4,5 delims=\" %%A IN ('REG.EXE query HKCR\CLSID\') DO ( SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E" -ot reg -actn setowner -ownr "n:S-1-5-32-544;s:y" -rec yes -silent SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E" -ot reg -actn ace -ace "n:S-1-5-32-544;p:full;s:y;i:so,sc;m:set;w:dacl" -rec yes -silent SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E" -ot reg -actn ace -ace "n:S-1-5-80-956008885-3418522649-1831038044-1853292631-2271478464;p:full;s:y;i:so,sc;m:revoke;w:dacl" -rec yes -silent)FOR /F "tokens=1,2,3,4,5,6 delims=\" %%A IN ('REG.EXE query HKLM\SOFTWARE\Classes\Wow6432Node\CLSID\') DO ( SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E\%%F" -ot reg -actn setowner -ownr "n:S-1-5-32-544;s:y" -rec yes -silent SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E\%%F" -ot reg -actn ace -ace "n:S-1-5-32-544;p:full;s:y;i:so,sc;m:set;w:dacl" -rec yes -silent SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E\%%F" -ot reg -actn ace -ace "n:S-1-5-80-956008885-3418522649-1831038044-1853292631-2271478464;p:full;s:y;i:so,sc;m:revoke;w:dacl" -rec yes -silent)FOR /F "tokens=1,2,3,4,5,6 delims=\" %%A IN ('REG.EXE query HKCR\Wow6432Node\CLSID\') DO ( SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E\%%F" -ot reg -actn setowner -ownr "n:S-1-5-32-544;s:y" -rec yes -silent SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E\%%F" -ot reg -actn ace -ace "n:S-1-5-32-544;p:full;s:y;i:so,sc;m:set;w:dacl" -rec yes -silent SETACLX64 -on "%%A\%%B\%%C\%%D\%%E\%%F" -ot reg -actn ace -ace "n:S-1-5-80-956008885-3418522649-1831038044-1853292631-2271478464;p:full;s:y;i:so,sc;m:revoke;w:dacl" -rec yes -silent)ECHO Complete0 -
It appears that some recent "security" update to Windows 7 was aimed squarely at blocking good old NTREGOPT from being able to access the Registry.
I disabled Avast and turned off UAC and ran ntregopt as Administrator, while logged in with an account with administrator rights. No go, it's still completely blocked.
Is there another utility, free of ads and nags for $ for a "pro" version that does the same thing as ntregopt, but hasn't been blocked by Microsoft and anti-virus/malware?
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I'd like to try it to see if a faux response to IsDebuggerPresent is all that is required to have CCleaner 2.x run on Windows 95B.
Another fix I found mention of was using a hex editor to find and change the IsDebuggerPresent text to another function call like GetCurrentProcess which has the same number of characters. However, that won't work on programs that self-test for corruption.
Something that just lurks waiting for calls to IsDebuggerPresent then returns False to satisfy the program that the function it won't be using "exists" would be a useful thing.
One thing about CCleaner 2.x that makes me think this may work is in its installed location is an executable named something like win95pop.exe (I don't have it installed now.) Doubleclick that and all it does is pop up the IsDebuggerPresent error message. Looks like a hack made specifically to stop people from using it on Windows 95. Hrmmm, I wonder what would happen if I just deleted that .exe?
Obviously the main executable calls that, or a dll or other file called by the main executable calls it, somewhere up the chain the call to the error popper executable would need edited to stop it.
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PureBASIC's author found that after updating his programming tools that it would no longer run on Windows 95, giving the linked to missing export KERNEL32.DLL: IsDebuggerPresent error.
He tried various hacks with the programming, fail. The solution that worked? Fake it. PureBASIC didn't actually use that anyway.
http://www.purebasic.fr/blog/?p=152
A fake KernelEX for Windows 95, to dummy up function calls that newer compilers stick into all their output even when they won't be used, would be quite useful.
I'd like to run CCleaner 2.x on Win95. I bet all it needs is an erzatz response to IsDebuggerPresent.
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I ran scandisk in Windows on both partitions then restarted in DOS mode and did it again. No problems reported.
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The drive has no limiting jumper, unless it's the position not documented. There's only one jumper installed for single/master. The drive is new enough that any new motherboard contemporary with it would have been capable of at least 128 gig so around then the drive companies quit the 32gig clip jumpers, or at least quit documenting them.
I used AOMEI on it and so far is seems to be working - but I haven't tried the DOS mode SCANDISK on it yet.
But anyway the BIOS issue remains. It auto detected as LBA and FDISK saw and configured the full size, but *something* is off that made FORMAT only see 4 gig. I've never seen that before, always with a size limit it's affected BIOS, FDISK and FORMAT.
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The OP claimed to have used such a large drive in the past with that board. I've had plenty of Slot-1 boards with BX chipsets and AGP slots, and I've never encountered an 8 gb hard drive limit with those - but then again I've never used anything other than Large-mode bios drive setting.@Nomen: A 40 GB SATA HDD? On an EPOX EP-BX3 ???
That's not the point: the EPOX EP-BX3 uses a PIIX4E southbrige, which knows nothing about SATA or anything else beyond UltraDMA-33. So, the OP must be talking about PATA, not SATA.
I'm not talking about PATA drives.
But the OP is. And so am I.
The Epox EP-BX3 has two USB 1.1 ports, one LPT, two RS232, two PATA and one floppy port - and that is it, aside from the AGP 2x and the PCI and ISA slots. Doesn't even have an internal header to connect more USB ports.
I may go ahead and hit it with SCANDISK to see if it trashes the format again after using more modern tools on Win 7 to setup and format the partitions. It doesn't take too long to install 95B on a 466Mhz Celeron (Socket 370 on a slotket) with 448 meg RAM. That's way more grunt than most Win95 installs ever saw back in the day.
If it fouls it up, I'll try the large setting in BIOS instead of the automatically detected LBA. I always liked Epox boards, they always seemed to be cutting edge with everything. The BIOS is supposed to support *up to* 65 gig and I'm using a 40 gig so there should NOT be any need for an overlay. Given the change history of the BIOS it's more likely that there's a glitch that just happens to screw with this particular drive that is newer than the board.
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Cylinders, clusters, whichever the number was in FDISK, I divided it by 2 and entered that for the primary partition. It's only been 10~15 years since I've setup a PC with 95.
I have Win95B seeing the full size of the partitions, after using other utilities on it with the drive connected to a PC running Windows 7. I was able to leave the fresh 95B install on it.
I am not going to run 95's scandisk on the drive, since that was seeing "errors" and damaging the format while "fixing" them. Don't want to try another clean install if scandisk is just going to break it again.
Hopefully someone will decide to mod the BIOS and fix whatever is wonky with it. First time I've ever seen a case like this where FDISK would partition the drive but FORMAT would not format the full size fdisk created. (Semi-fondly recalls the days of using DEBUG to access MFM controller BIOS low level formatting and using EDLIN and COPY to write autoexec.bat and config.sys files... on my very first hard drive of a massive five megabytes.)
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The ones I had, the steel layers inside slid apart. One layer had "keyhole" slots and the other had pins with flat heads. Took a bit of force to slide things but once moved a little they came apart easily.
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I entered the number of cylinders to make the primary partition 50% of the size, didn't enter 50%. Then I let FDISK make the extended partition use the full remaining capacity.
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My intention is to split the disk 50/50 into a primary partition and an extended partition with a logical drive, so Win95B shouldn't have an issue with too large of a partition.
From the info posted on this thread and the change notes on the various BIOS releases, it looks like Epox had several issues with this board and hard drives. I've posted at Wim's and another BIOS site. If someone could do a 128 gig patch and do it up properly so there's no odd glitches, then it might work.
I'm going to hook the drive up to a Win7 box and see what AOMEI can do with it. If I can adjust the partitions with that while leaving the current Win95B install intact, it hopefully will work - as long as scandisk is not allowed to "fix" it.
I want to see if I can run the DOS software for my proLIGHT PLM2000 CNC milling machine in Win95, should have little or no interference with the RS232 port. It will *almost* work in XP. Can get it to communicate with the mill but XP keeps butting in and cutting off communication through the com port.
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I said I was using FAT32. Never mentioned FAT16 at all.
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Quickest, easiest 8.0 to 8.1 update?
in Windows 8
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My question is Why doesn't Microsoft have an 8.0 to 8.1 update with zero prerequisites like the Windows 7 SP1? IIRC the only other version with something like that is the Vista SP2 which required SP1 to be installed first. At least with that one could install Vista RTM followed immediately by SP1 then SP2 without having to download a ton of other updates.
IIRC on XP if you installed SP2 on RTM there was something you'd not get but it wasn't critical.