with a little bit of help from elsewhere, i was able to solve my own problem, and also to fix a few others for those who would like the info, here it is. In advance though, this is most likely violating the EULA i did this in orca, if you need it look here The First step is to install Orca, then to open up the MSI for your version of Office. Mine was STE. follow these instructions to allow Administrative Install Points Once inside, do a search for 'SLASH_A' everytime except in the Properties section, where there is a 'SLASH_A = ' binary value, swap it for it's opposite (1 for 0, 0 for 1) for allowing Quiet Mode installs, the instructions are the same, except for 2 things: 1) IT's SLASH_Q instead of SLASH_A 2) It checks twice for quite mode permissions. for the UI LEVEL option, either reverse the greater for Lesser than (or vice versa), or just delete that whole section out of the key Ex. 'UILevel < 5 AND SLASH_Q=0' would become either 'UILevel > 5 AND SLASH_Q=1' or 'SLASH_Q=1' To allow Transforms, you need to do the same thing to the CIWSUPP Option. There is also a CMWSUPP that I do not know what it does, but did the same to also. Hope this will be helpful to someone else, any questions or comments, please let me know Ender