MinimumAttic410

Yea my sff case also doesnt have case fan. I believe big GPU heatsink is the key.

Yea it is clear now. it is using similar heatsink with my GT730. double size thick heatsink makes huge difference.

looking at Gigabyte GT 710 2GD5 images on google, it seems to have a fan on heatsink. so it is an advantage in this case. ASUS card i have has slimmer heatsink and passive cooling. ASUS GT 710 2GD5 SL BRK > passive cooling - single slot size heatsink (terrible thermals in my sff case) ASUS GT 730 2GD5 SL BRK > passive cooling - double slot size heatsink (reasonable thermals in my same sff case) i believe your Gigabyte card is either double slot size card or using a fan. well looking at Lian-Li micro-ATX case images, it has pretty space for components and airflow.

if this is the case you are using, it is even smaller than my SFF case. surprised you getting very low temps in this case. is something wrong with my setup?

it must be ATX case with good airflow.

well my pc case is old core 2 duo SFF lenovo thinkcentre A/M57 : https://www.newegg.com/lenovo-m57-business-desktops-workstations/p/N82E16883798350 it doesnt have good airflow considering there is only oddly positioned 1x 80mm cpu fan and psu fan. since GT 710 has overheating problem, i am using GT 730 nowadays (https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/asus/gt730-sl-2gd5-brk/). it has double-slot sized thicker heatsink but still passive cooling. i am getting 28-35C idle temps and max 70C on gaming with GT730. so you say overheating problem with GT 710 is normal while gaming? but i am playing old XP games only. i know these cards are not gamer cards but games i play shouldnt be so demanding. another example, before this core2duo case, i was using GT 710 on my other SFF lenovo thinkcentre M92p model (3rd gen i5). it is slightly bigger, more space and airflow with extra 80mm exhaust fan. i was getting 25-30C idle temps, and around 60-65C on load. still i cant get why there are too much heat difference between 2 cases. now my only concern is heat except driver issue with my GT 710. only reason i insist using GT 710 is the core2duo sff pc i got recently to make it XP gaming machine for old games. I know standard ATX case would be much better for airlow and card selection but I like small form factor more.

it also doesnt support GT710 natively > https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/83083/en-us/

it is low-profile passive cooling card : https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/asus/gt710-sl-2gd5-brk/ using it on my Lenovo ThinkCentre core 2 duo SFF pc.

Overheating is the problem now regardless of driver :/ I again put new thermal paste, a bit thicker than earlier this time but still card is damn heating too much after several minutes game play. Over 80C even 90C. When I touch the heatsink, it is burning my fingers. This is not good.

Yea but it is still poor card and low-profile, i would expect 710 runs cooler. reaching over 90C doesnt make sense at all. and NFS most wanted is not demanding game. it doesnt even support HD resolutions.

iCafe 347.26 driver didnt crash with GT 710, but crashed GT 730 (which is natively supported). I believe 344.75 might be most stable driver for both. I dont know why GT 710 is heating that much. it is weaker card comparing GT 730. while GT 730 getting hardly over 70C by heavy use (gaming), GT 710 jumps over 90C. I already replaced thermal paste. Maybe it is using more resource to be able handle graphics - struggling and heating the chip more than GT 730.

what OSD shows is correct, around 1.2GB ram (total ram is 4GB DDR2 in the pc). I already lowered some settings in the game such as no Anti-Aliasing. but other details are full. game resolution is 1024x768 even monitor resolution is 1680x1050. Dont know much about CUDA, isnt it automatically managed by GPU? when i use non-supported (modded) drivers, GPU-Z doesnt show CUDA enabled. dont know why. and it is not summer yet. Room temp is around 21-22. i replaced thermal paste (Arctic MX-4) on GT710 few weeks ago, dont know why it is overheating that much. what temps others experiencing?

Now installed iCafe driver - 347.26-espresso-icafe-winxp-international.exe GPU-Z shows OpenGL version 4.5 3dmark2001se, didnt cause any freeze issue at 1st test. but needs more testing. EDIT: terrible high temps while gaming : EDIT2: ran 3dmark2001se benchmark 2nd time, no freeze at all. still need more time to be sure. But high GPU temps are concerning.

I will try. thanks.

Nope. I didnt try it. What difference does it make?

Which one is mine? afaik it is Kepler. According to Device Manager, device id is "PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_128B&SUBSYS_85E71043&REV_A1\4&2E5EAC9&0&0008" According to GPU-Z, device id is "10DE 128B - 1043 85E7"

yes, apparently non of the official supported drivers work for GT 710. as I said, i need to test more with modded v344.75. idle temps for GT 710 is around 54-55C, while benchmarking and gaming it jumps over 80C. GT 730 idle temps were like 30-35C and max around 70C. (maybe because GT 730 is using thicker heatsink)

nope it didnt work either. still unstable.

I have been using GT 730 with v344.75 for a while with same PC and it is doing very stable unlike GT 710. Games I tested and 3dmark2001se are not so power hungry softwares i guess. GT 730 with latest drivers such as v368.81 also caused freeze issue but has been very stable with v344.75. I dont know what else test I can do with PC and GPU health. I can say (except OpenGL showing 4.4 instead of 4.5 and not showing some other features on GPU-Z comparing native supported drivers) seems modified v344.75 is stable with GT 710. But need to run it for some days for more experience.

Ok I installed back v368.81 with 45 edited inf files, 3dmark2001se finalized benchmark without freeze issue but need to test more. it doesnt always freeze at first tests. Score: 40818 (better than v344.75) my results: EDIT: Just installed NFS Most Wanted, while launching game nv4 display driver stopped responding, freezed, had to hard reset the pc. EDIT2: This time I turned off MSI Afterburner and Riva Tuner (latest version) and launched NFS Most wanted and played fine but while benchmarking 2nd time with 3dmark2001 freezed again. seems modified v368.81 is not good either.

According to Device Manager, device id is "PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_128B&SUBSYS_85E71043&REV_A1\4&2E5EAC9&0&0008" According to GPU-Z, device id is "10DE 128B - 1043 85E7" What i used in nvaci.inf in v344.75 : %NVIDIA_DEV.128B% = Section001, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_128B&SUBSYS_85E71043&REV_A1 and NVIDIA_DEV.128B = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 710 what could be correct line(s) for my exact device id? NOTE: attached nvaci.inf is based on 368.81 as an example. there only GT710 i see is > NVIDIA_DEV.1140.0841.1025 = "NVIDIA GeForce 710M" nvaci.inf

I mean, after all, v344.75 is not supported officially by nvidia for this specific card model. anyway other (later) drivers which are supposed to support are problematic too.. maybe lack of tests and poor driver config.

Thank you! i didnt know all those .inf files need to be edited. Do you think this edit fixes freeze issue? I will test it and write my experiences here. it is really odd that non of the drivers working correctly and stable for GT 710 officially.. I think nvidia didnt care about winXP at all after releasing this card. but in other hand, GT 730 is working perfectly and better (at least 25% more performance) comparing GT710.

I just installed driver v344.75 by adding device id into nvaci.inf file, installation went well and seems driver working. it scored 38518 on 3dmark2001se (i was expecting around 40k). But card appears as GT555M not GT 710 in device manager and GPU-Z : EDIT: ok had to add these 2 lines in "nvaci.info" for correct device id : [Manufacturer] %NVIDIA% = NVIDIA_Devices,NTx86.5.1,NTx86.6.0 [NVIDIA_Devices.NTx86.5.1] %NVIDIA_DEV.128B% = Section001, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_128B&SUBSYS_85E71043&REV_A1 <-- ... ... ... [Strings] DiskID1 = "NVIDIA Windows XP (32 bit) Driver Library Installation Disk 1" NVIDIA = "NVIDIA" NVIDIA_DEV.128B = "NVIDIA GeForce GT 710 <-- But I realized that, after editing .inf file and installing v344.75, GPU-Z now shows OpenGL version 4.4, it was 4.5 earlier. and in new GPU-Z some features missing such as: Why? Computing line : OpenCL , CUDA Technology line: PysX Question: is it safe to edit .inf file to add unofficial support to officially-not-supported driver for this card? (asking for hw-pc health, not for nvidia)

Device ID on device manager is "PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_128B&SUBSYS_85E71043&REV_A1\4&2E5EAC9&0&0008" (weird, GPU-Z shows release date as 2014) as i said earlier unfortunately working driver for my gt 710 starting from version v361.75 (Jan 27,2016) to 361.81, non of the earlier version worked for this card - i tried already. and all the versions from 361.75 to 361.81 having freeze issue with 3DMark2001SE and games. Not always at 1st or 2nd tests but eventually they caused freeze issue (with the error i mentioned in my earlier post) at later tests. I tested all drivers one by one. I edited nvaci.inf version to 6.14.13.6881 from 10.18.13.6881 but it still shows v10.18.13.6881 in windows device manager, is it normal? EDIT: I just ran 3dmark2001se, and unfortunately as soon as I pressed benchmark button it freezed --> with driver 368.81 edited version ID to 6.14.13.6881 NOTE: I have been using v344.75 natively with my GT730 (ASUS 2GB GDDR5 Low-profile) and v344.75 is very stable, ranking 49000 something (almost 50000) at 3dmark2001se on XP.