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On 4/27/2023 at 8:01 AM, woi said:
Take a look at this: https://github.com/JHRobotics/mesa9x It's a port of Mesa 17.3.9.2 to Windows 9x.
It's for VMs only and i got Minecraft running on it. I did not test it on real hardware yet, but you can give it a shot if you want to.
It doesn't work, It throws the exact same error as the other Mesa files (OPENGL32.DLL+0x172d963), thanks for trying to help me tho
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On 3/18/2023 at 10:01 PM, loblo said:
I don't know, you're the one to decide.
What happens if you paste the command line in an open Mintty window and then press enter on the keyboard?
Well, I've only found sound and graphics Drivers on that laptop, unfortunately no Ethernet or Chipset Drivers, I think I should wait for someone in my country to put on sale a T42 with a Radeon 9600 video card
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18 minutes ago, loblo said:
I don't know, you're the one to decide.
What happens if you paste the command line in an open Mintty window and then press enter on the keyboard?
That was a close one! It tries to launch Minecraft, but crashes anyway... It seems like that it's now impossible to run MC with mesa, but if it actually is possible then there's something wrong with my laptop or Win 98 installation... In case my installation is in fact fine then I'm gonna move to another laptop I have, a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Pro V3515, even though I don't know if it comes with Win 98 Drivers too, by the way, I tested it with XP and it runs up to 1.12.2 without mesa
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3 hours ago, loblo said:
It doesn't work for me either and neither does it work by using the run box, I guess the command line is way too long to be run this way.
It does work fine by running the batch file from Mintty however meaning that if you want to fiddle with this command line you need a bash environment to execute it.
I ran the batch file from Mintty, got the access denied error anyway... Should I give up?
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Just now, loblo said:
What did you try?
Putting the command line of the launcher copied from ProcessExplorer into a batch file
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47 minutes ago, loblo said:
For Minecraft version 1.7.2, the main executable is 1.7.2.jar located in %APPDATA%\.minecraft\versions\1.7.2\
Launched with TL.exe, the command line to execute 1.7.2.jar and instantiate the game interface is 3935 characters long (as retrieved with TaskInfo2000). Most of this (2696 characters) is taken by the classpath (-cp) argument.
I tried, it tells me "access denied"
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15 hours ago, jumper said:
Yes, MS-DOS Prompt window or batch file. Read the launcher configuration files to get the name of the executable. Start with no parameters, then add slowly. Limit is about 250 characters.
Unless I'm looking in the wrong place? I tried looking into launcher_profiles.json, but still nothing
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15 hours ago, jumper said:
Yes, MS-DOS Prompt window or batch file. Read the launcher configuration files to get the name of the executable. Start with no parameters, then add slowly. Limit is about 250 characters.
I can't seem to find the name of the executable, Is it a jar file you're talking about? Because there are no EXE files listed in my .minecraft folder
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8 minutes ago, jumper said:
Launchers are never needed. They just hide the runtime parameter details.
Do you mean that I should use a command from the MS-DOS prompt or something? If so, which one?
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6 minutes ago, jumper said:
Don't use a launcher.
Don't use custom installers.
You know that you need a launcher to play Minecraft, right?
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8 minutes ago, jumper said:
Try again focussing on MC and Java. Explain "custom installer".
You're making this this problem too complex by adding Mesa and multiple MC launchers. Use just the basic versions of MC (ver ?) and Java (ver ?). Confirm that each is working by itself before combining them.
By "custom installer" I mean that I've installed Java using the installer on TheMiningTeam's Google Drive Folder, even tho I've reinstalled Java about three times, and I'm only using TL Legacy now, even tho I want to use mesa because It would allow me to play modern Minecraft, if mesa wouldn't solve the issue, then I'm forced to buy a better laptop still compatibile with win 98, which is really hard to find unfortunately, and I don't even feel like doing that
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31 minutes ago, jumper said:
Which part of your install process.
Lwjgl32.dll might not exist. What happened when you deleted lwjgl64.dll?
Please summarize your complete install process as you actually did it.
I Installed Windows 98 with KernelEx, Patches, and different runtimes along with Chipset, Ethernet, Sound and Video Drivers, I've installed Java 8u181 with a custom installer and then started three different Minecraft launchers, ATLauncher, TL Legacy and then OLauncher.
When using mesa, I can only run versions from c0.30_01 to release 1.2.5, while without it, I can run every version up to 1.7.2, all launchers give me the same error when using mesa, and everytime I remove lwjgl64.dll, it reappears in the natives folder whenever I try to launch the game
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58 minutes ago, jumper said:
Using for
whatwhich part?If you mean partition, it's a single one, by the way though, i can't find a lwjgl32.dll 2.9.4 file anywhere online or in my other PCs, can you send me one?
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3 minutes ago, jumper said:
I haven't watched the video, but it looks like you installed on a 64-bit machine and are trying to transplant it onto Win9x. Install onto 32-bit machine.
But it's a 32-bit machine I'm using...
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13 hours ago, jumper said:
Maybe. Error details?
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Update: I've tried the JVM arguments used by SalC1 in his Minecraft on Win 98 video once again and now I get an error on lwjgl64.dll failing to load 64 bit library, maybe there's some hope?
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12 hours ago, loblo said:
Looks like 1.16.5 is the latest running on Java 8 but as with all other versions above 1.7.2 I have tried the game window doesn't initialize for me with it. I can make it visible using Faber Toys and play a bit but it is slow and unstable. Minecraft 1.17 requires Java 16.
Well, I hoped I could have made it work with mesa because it is way faster with it (if using modern versions of it), but I guess I should ask someone like DosFreak if I want to run modern versions of Minecraft with mesa, If I recall correctly he has done lots of things with that renderer, even tho i'm fine as long as I can run up to at least 1.8.9... or even better... 1.12.2
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Just now, loblo said:
I meant Minecraft version. You can use any Java version you want with the launchers as far as I've been able to see. They use Java 17 by default but you can override this in the settings for both launchers. Newest Minecraft versions however seem to actually require Java 17.
Oh, 1.16.5, but It was really slow since that I used an old version of mesa, but that was back when the old launcher was still supported
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1 minute ago, loblo said:
Which is the highest version you managed to run before?
JRE 8u181, the one I asked help for
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1 minute ago, loblo said:
I can run Minecraft up to version 1.7.2 on my Windows ME desktop system with nVidia 7800GS and latest unofficial drivers. I used the latest tlaun.ch thingie. Your ATLaunch from the Google drive folder seems much more advanced/configurable but it requires having a paid Microsoft account to instantiate any game so couldn't test with it. Issues for running higher versions before java 17 is required appear to be down to OpenGL and I would think that would be the same for your system with mesa.
Well, that's unfortunate, also because like I said before I was able to use mesa with modern Minecraft versions before the old launcher was discontinued, and that probably destroyed the way mesa works with MC on 98SE, maybe the other way is to find a workaround to make Java 17 work on my system, even tho that sounds exaggerated, I still want to try doing that
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6 minutes ago, loblo said:
I see no relevant links in the video description, nothing specifically pertaining to Minecraft anyway.
Whoops, I forgot to specify that you can find those files on the Google Drive folder
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Just now, loblo said:
I just wanted the links to the installers you're using, not a video tutorial please.
They are on the video's description, you can find Firefox (I use Mypal tho), Java, KernelEx, and ATLauncher (not the launcher I use) if you want the launcher I'm using, you can find it on tlaun.ch/jar
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25 minutes ago, loblo said:
As you certainly know, being able to run an older version of a software doesn't in any way mean a newer version will work too.
Perhaps I could try to run this on my system just out of curiosity if you give me a link, I don't use mesa though.
You can find the instructions on this video, except that you need a powerful PC/Laptop (my laptop is a ThinkPad T42, but unfortunately It comes with a Radeon 7500 video card instead of a 9600 one since that I can't find one of those models for sale in my country), because of that I can only run up to 1.7.2 without mesa, even tho I somehow managed to make 1.13.2 work once without mesa, but it no longer runs now, It was very laggy without it by the way
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1 minute ago, loblo said:
Hex editing (or using import patcher also) was in case you didn't have kernelex extensions installed, replacing a missing function by one that does exist in the hope the missing one isn't actually used. But as you can add definitions to Kernelex there is no point trying to do that.
I see, so... Does that mean It might be impossible to make Minecraft work with mesa at the moment? Or did I miss something? Because I remember being able to use mesa with Minecraft 1.3+ on the old now-unsupported official launcher
Universal VESA/VBE Video Display Driver for Win9x
in Windows 9x/ME
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Unfortunately those drivers linked above seem to only work on VMs, I tested the mesa9x driver weeks ago and it only works there, I assume it's the same for those other drivers, I wish someone would make similar drivers that support real hardware or simply make ports of them, It would be cool seeing modern mesa work properly on actual hardware running Win 9x