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Update: my IBM ThinkPad T42 just stopped working, and therefore I cannot try that anymore, I will have to wait to get a new 98SE laptop in order to do that now.
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9 minutes ago, awkduck said:
@WhiteArmpits There are some "OpenGL" environment variables you could try.
For a test, you could try "LIBGL_ALWAYS_SOFTWARE=TRUE".
You could check the OpenGL version supported by your GPU, then try "MESA_GL_VERSION_OVERRIDE=2.1". 2.1 could be set to whatever versions your GPU supports.
I know using the VBEMP Vesa driver, I've needed to set environmental variables for SDL1.2 video and audio output/rendering. Otherwise some SDL applications/games run poorly. This is more true if your audio driver doesn't support accelerated Directsound (some AC97 drivers). So maybe you can tweak OpenGL to play along.
You would open a Command Prompt, in the folder of the OpenGL application you are testing, and type something like:
Then from that same Command Prompt enter the command to initiate your OpenGL application (Minecraft).
Minecraft may also have environmental variables, that could be set. It might not be a bad idea to check that out; especially if there is something to set comparability with older OpenGL versions.
Thanks, i'll try later!
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7 minutes ago, awkduck said:
Didn't you, at one point, have a build environment setup? Or was that only for building Qemu, and not for building Win9x software?
I don't remember ever trying to build Qemu, even though I've tried to compile Win9x files a few times but failed doing so, maybe it's because I don't actually have a proper setup, along with having poor programming skills...
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5 minutes ago, awkduck said:
This is on the Github page:
So you could try using the Win95 Mesa 17.
I tried both files to be fair, yet none of them worked, I or someone else should find a way to code or compile a recent version of Mesa that might work on older hardware (even though i'm not that good when it comes to programming, and therefore I need some help).
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10 hours ago, TheMajorTechie said:
Huh. That's strange. The Pentium M certainly supports SSE. I'm not sure if this has any impact or not, but I have KernelEX installed on my own Windows 98 machine. Though the files do normally work fine without it, maybe it could help?
Yes, KernelEx is installed with core updates, I remember trying an older Mesa3D file once and it worked, but It was pretty slow comparing to the mesa9x file, I've never tested the file in a 98SE installation without KernelEx tho.
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45 minutes ago, TheMajorTechie said:
What hardware are you trying to run it on? It mentions that even the most basic softpipe implementation requires a Pentium II to run, meaning you'll need at minimum i686 compatibility. I can confirm that it works fine on Windows 98 and an AMD Athlon XP, which has i686 compatibility and SSE extensions.
I'm trying to run It from an IBM ThinkPad T42 with an ATI Radeon 7500 video card and an Intel Pentium M 1.7ghz processor, i've however tried to run the same file in a VM on a modern laptop and it works.
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Unfortunately those drivers linked above seem to only work on VMs, I tested the mesa9x driver weeks ago and it only works there, I assume it's the same for those other drivers, I wish someone would make similar drivers that support real hardware or simply make ports of them, It would be cool seeing modern mesa work properly on actual hardware running Win 9x
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On 4/27/2023 at 8:01 AM, woi said:
Take a look at this: https://github.com/JHRobotics/mesa9x It's a port of Mesa 17.3.9.2 to Windows 9x.
It's for VMs only and i got Minecraft running on it. I did not test it on real hardware yet, but you can give it a shot if you want to.
It doesn't work, It throws the exact same error as the other Mesa files (OPENGL32.DLL+0x172d963), thanks for trying to help me tho
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On 3/18/2023 at 10:01 PM, loblo said:
I don't know, you're the one to decide.
What happens if you paste the command line in an open Mintty window and then press enter on the keyboard?
Well, I've only found sound and graphics Drivers on that laptop, unfortunately no Ethernet or Chipset Drivers, I think I should wait for someone in my country to put on sale a T42 with a Radeon 9600 video card
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18 minutes ago, loblo said:
I don't know, you're the one to decide.
What happens if you paste the command line in an open Mintty window and then press enter on the keyboard?
That was a close one! It tries to launch Minecraft, but crashes anyway... It seems like that it's now impossible to run MC with mesa, but if it actually is possible then there's something wrong with my laptop or Win 98 installation... In case my installation is in fact fine then I'm gonna move to another laptop I have, a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Pro V3515, even though I don't know if it comes with Win 98 Drivers too, by the way, I tested it with XP and it runs up to 1.12.2 without mesa
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3 hours ago, loblo said:
It doesn't work for me either and neither does it work by using the run box, I guess the command line is way too long to be run this way.
It does work fine by running the batch file from Mintty however meaning that if you want to fiddle with this command line you need a bash environment to execute it.
I ran the batch file from Mintty, got the access denied error anyway... Should I give up?
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Just now, loblo said:
What did you try?
Putting the command line of the launcher copied from ProcessExplorer into a batch file
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47 minutes ago, loblo said:
For Minecraft version 1.7.2, the main executable is 1.7.2.jar located in %APPDATA%\.minecraft\versions\1.7.2\
Launched with TL.exe, the command line to execute 1.7.2.jar and instantiate the game interface is 3935 characters long (as retrieved with TaskInfo2000). Most of this (2696 characters) is taken by the classpath (-cp) argument.
I tried, it tells me "access denied"
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15 hours ago, jumper said:
Yes, MS-DOS Prompt window or batch file. Read the launcher configuration files to get the name of the executable. Start with no parameters, then add slowly. Limit is about 250 characters.
Unless I'm looking in the wrong place? I tried looking into launcher_profiles.json, but still nothing
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15 hours ago, jumper said:
Yes, MS-DOS Prompt window or batch file. Read the launcher configuration files to get the name of the executable. Start with no parameters, then add slowly. Limit is about 250 characters.
I can't seem to find the name of the executable, Is it a jar file you're talking about? Because there are no EXE files listed in my .minecraft folder
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8 minutes ago, jumper said:
Launchers are never needed. They just hide the runtime parameter details.
Do you mean that I should use a command from the MS-DOS prompt or something? If so, which one?
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6 minutes ago, jumper said:
Don't use a launcher.
Don't use custom installers.
You know that you need a launcher to play Minecraft, right?
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8 minutes ago, jumper said:
Try again focussing on MC and Java. Explain "custom installer".
You're making this this problem too complex by adding Mesa and multiple MC launchers. Use just the basic versions of MC (ver ?) and Java (ver ?). Confirm that each is working by itself before combining them.
By "custom installer" I mean that I've installed Java using the installer on TheMiningTeam's Google Drive Folder, even tho I've reinstalled Java about three times, and I'm only using TL Legacy now, even tho I want to use mesa because It would allow me to play modern Minecraft, if mesa wouldn't solve the issue, then I'm forced to buy a better laptop still compatibile with win 98, which is really hard to find unfortunately, and I don't even feel like doing that
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31 minutes ago, jumper said:
Which part of your install process.
Lwjgl32.dll might not exist. What happened when you deleted lwjgl64.dll?
Please summarize your complete install process as you actually did it.
I Installed Windows 98 with KernelEx, Patches, and different runtimes along with Chipset, Ethernet, Sound and Video Drivers, I've installed Java 8u181 with a custom installer and then started three different Minecraft launchers, ATLauncher, TL Legacy and then OLauncher.
When using mesa, I can only run versions from c0.30_01 to release 1.2.5, while without it, I can run every version up to 1.7.2, all launchers give me the same error when using mesa, and everytime I remove lwjgl64.dll, it reappears in the natives folder whenever I try to launch the game
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58 minutes ago, jumper said:
Using for
whatwhich part?If you mean partition, it's a single one, by the way though, i can't find a lwjgl32.dll 2.9.4 file anywhere online or in my other PCs, can you send me one?
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3 minutes ago, jumper said:
I haven't watched the video, but it looks like you installed on a 64-bit machine and are trying to transplant it onto Win9x. Install onto 32-bit machine.
But it's a 32-bit machine I'm using...
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13 hours ago, jumper said:
Maybe. Error details?
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Update: I've tried the JVM arguments used by SalC1 in his Minecraft on Win 98 video once again and now I get an error on lwjgl64.dll failing to load 64 bit library, maybe there's some hope?
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12 hours ago, loblo said:
Looks like 1.16.5 is the latest running on Java 8 but as with all other versions above 1.7.2 I have tried the game window doesn't initialize for me with it. I can make it visible using Faber Toys and play a bit but it is slow and unstable. Minecraft 1.17 requires Java 16.
Well, I hoped I could have made it work with mesa because it is way faster with it (if using modern versions of it), but I guess I should ask someone like DosFreak if I want to run modern versions of Minecraft with mesa, If I recall correctly he has done lots of things with that renderer, even tho i'm fine as long as I can run up to at least 1.8.9... or even better... 1.12.2
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Mesa 17.x.x on Win9x
in Windows 9x/ME
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Thanks awkduck, I hope I will find a T41p or T42p someday, those two are the ideal 98SE ThinkPads for me, I will let you know if that day will ever arrive