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Dencorso - no full backups since November, before installing my first POS update. Too long ago, I'm afraid. Lots of important emails on OE 6 since then. So much for my smarts. Promise not to panic (and cause this thread to get wrinkled), but do you think these errors can do anything? I suppose not, since they've been occurring since Jan 15, but still.

Dencorso - EDIT - copies of my KB3021674.log, KB3020393-v2.log and KB3019215.log are attached. See anything interesting? Copy of KB3021674 1-15-2005.txtCopy of KB3020393-v2.txtCopy of KB3019215.txt

Dencorso - good to read that it's probably only a minor glitch, but this XP machine is still quite important to me, so I'm concerned. The version of userenv.dll I have in both C:\Windows\system32 and C:\Windows\system32\dllcache is 5.1.2600.6689, last modified 12/6/2014 at 3:28am. (Was installed by KB3021674 ? ) I have earlier versions of userenv.dll in: C:\WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386 - 5.1.2600.5512 last modified April 13, 2008 and C:\i386 - 5.1.2600.2180 last modified August 04, 2004 So, what should I do without risking a melt-down? (I don't know what userenv.dll does.) Thanks.

Dear experts in this thread - there might be a problem. I have just discovered that, in my XP Pro SP3, I have Event Viewer error messages starting Jan 15 of this year and repeating frequently (probably with each reboot) that MAYBE are related to three POS updates I did that day -- KB3021674, KB3020393 and KB3019215. The Event Viewer "Application" errors are: Event Type: Error Event Source: Userenv Event Category: None Event ID: 1502 Date: 1/15/2015 Time: 12:28:10 PM User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE Computer: DELLOPTIPLEX755 Description: Windows cannot load the locally stored profile. Possible causes of this error include insufficient security rights or a corrupt local profile. If this problem persists, contact your network administrator. DETAIL - Access is denied. ______ Event Type: Error Event Source: Userenv Event Category: None Event ID: 1515 Date: 1/15/2015 Time: 12:28:10 PM User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE Computer: DELLOPTIPLEX755 Description: Windows has backed up this user's profile. Windows will automatically try to use the backed up profile the next time this user logs on. ______ Event Type: Error Event Source: Userenv Event Category: None Event ID: 1511 Date: 1/15/2015 Time: 12:28:10 PM User: NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE Computer: DELLOPTIPLEX755 Description: Windows cannot find the local profile and is logging you on with a temporary profile. Changes you make to this profile will be lost when you log off. ______ Event Type: Error Event Source: Userenv Event Category: None Event ID: 1502 Date: 1/15/2015 Time: 12:28:11 PM User: NT AUTHORITY\LOCAL SERVICE Computer: DELLOPTIPLEX755 Description: Windows cannot load the locally stored profile. Possible causes of this error include insufficient security rights or a corrupt local profile. If this problem persists, contact your network administrator. DETAIL - Access is denied. ______ Event Type: Error Event Source: Userenv Event Category: None Event ID: 1515 Date: 1/15/2015 Time: 12:28:11 PM User: NT AUTHORITY\LOCAL SERVICE Computer: DELLOPTIPLEX755 Description: Windows has backed up this user's profile. Windows will automatically try to use the backed up profile the next time this user logs on. ______ Event Type: Error Event Source: Userenv Event Category: None Event ID: 1511 Date: 1/15/2015 Time: 12:28:11 PM User: NT AUTHORITY\LOCAL SERVICE Computer: DELLOPTIPLEX755 Description: Windows cannot find the local profile and is logging you on with a temporary profile. Changes you make to this profile will be lost when you log off. I see that these error messages involve either NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE or NT AUTHORITY\LOCAL SERVICE, not my User name (my logon name). If I open an explore window and and go to C:\Documents and Settings, I can see that the NTUSER.DAT file in each of LocalService and NetworkService has a last modified date of 1/15/2015. (The NTUSER.DAT in my own user folder is modified today.) [NOW, MAYBE THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL DETAIL IS NOT RELEVANT, BUT JUST IN CASE: If I go to System Properties - Advanced - User Profiles - Settings button, my own User Profile (my User Name) is updated today (because I just rebooted), but there are five "Account Unknown"s of approx. 20MB each with "Last Modified" dates of either 12/5/2014 or 3/17/2015. If I open an Explore window and go to C:\Documents and Settings, I see a bunch of Users I recognize from the past and also : TEMP TEMP.NT AUTHORITY and TEMP.NT AUTHORITY.000 but their file modification dates are not stopped at 1/15/2015.] So, experts, what do you think? Is my XP machine in trouble? Thanks.

Dencorso - Had tried the other order before. There's just a snag somewhere. Vinifera - Fine with me to delete 1.1 from my system. How is that done? (Like the fish by the way.)

To all: A few remarks from a noob: After we install these .NET updates manually, they seem to be listed in Belarc Advisor, but NEITHER in Update History for Windows Update or Microsoft Update, NOR in Add/Remove Programs. Tip o' the hat to Belarc. On one of my XP machines (Dell GX280), after first installing SP1 for .NET 1.1 (KB979906 from MS), I was able to install .NET 1.1 update KB2978114 but not KB2972207 (both from BlackWingCat). Get short error messages without detail. Any suggestions? (I was able to install both in XP Mode in a different machine - Dell Optiplex 7010 running Win 7 SP1 64-bit in XP Mode.) Thanks.

Dave-H - The 16 listed by egrabrych and the two "modded installers for KB2972207-v2 and KB2978114" described above by dencorso? To all: egrabrych's list seems complete for .NET 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0 (please confirm), but what would be the similar complete list of post-XP updates for .NET 1.0 and where would we get them (modified if necessary)? Ideally a complete list for those of us who have only run Windows Update with the POS 2009 registry hack and have not installed ANY manual updates for .NET 1.0. Thanks again to all - this is a great thread.

Bersaglio and other experts here -- thanks again. While my very old Dell GX280 (XP Pro SP3 32-bit but slow) continues to boot up with all these updates, including Bersglio's list above for .NET, that's just my test machine in case this stuff makes it expire forever. It's rebooted a few times the last hours without problem, but I don't know where to go on the web to test whether its updated .NET is working. I shall hold off a few days doing Bersaglio's .NET manual updates on my more important must-work XP machine (Optiplex 755DT) until more of you readers here try them. So, everyone who tries Bersaglio's list, please post here and let us know how they do !! (PS - Delicious razor clams at Eataly in NYC, at 23rd-24th Streets at Broadway-5th Avenue, a big fun place to go. An old buddy from LA visited, and he thought it was great. Look it up. I can't return the computer expertise, but maybe this tip will make up.)

Bersaglio - thanks again. General question: Since I already had many updates for the various numbers of .NET, both before and after the list above of further updates, do I have a sequence problem? Even if I install your excellent list of updates in your order, don't I have a problem because some are before other updates previously installed? By the way, I installed the not-yet-installed updates for your list on my very old GX 280 just to see if it would blow up. Didn't. DO you agree with Sampei.Nihira that KB2938780 (NET 4 ) should not be installed? (I already did in the GX 280.)

Bersaglio - thanks so much for such a detailed list! So I checked on my XP SP3 32-bit machine in Add-Remove Programs (Show Updates), and I do NOT have these particular updates listed - they were never installed. (The others on your list were installed.) Does this shorter list of missing updates make sense under the circumstances? (I have been using Misrosoft Update with the POS 2009 hack.) KB2938780-x86.exe KB2972214-x86.exe KB2973115-x86.exe KB2972106-x86.exe KB2979575-v2-x86.exe KB2978124-x86.exe KB2978125-x86.exe KB3037577-x86.exe KB3037578-x86.exe What do you think? Thanks.

egrabrych - for a noob like myself, please list the KB numbers for the Updates for .NET Framework 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0 that I can install without modifications or problems. I'll go to MS, download them and run them myself. (I will NOT try to install any that require modification - I don't know how to do that.) Many thanks!

Ok experts - it's another Patch Tuesday for POS on XP. How's it going? Anyone's XP PC start smoking or gnashing its teeth (or refuse to give correct change)?

Dave-H: My current muweb.dll is the same version as the one at your link. Both version 256, with the same modified date. But I share everyone's frustration with Microsoft Update - totally erratic whether or not I get the error code.

In IE 8, Tools - Internet Options - Security - Trusted Sites - Sites, the ONLY Microsoft site appearing under "Websites" is http://update.microsoft.com, not the others. Then, when I do Start - Windows Update, IE asks me if it's OK to redirect from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com to http://update.microsoft.com, but I reply NO. Weird, but it works to get into Windows Update. I don't have a good method to get into Microsoft Update when it's balking. Does anyone? EDIT - right now, in Firefox with IE Tab, going to exactly update.microsoft.com without the http:// works to get to Microsoft Update. Damned if I understand it.

roytam - thanks for link. But my current muweb.dll is the same version as the one at your link. Both version 256, with the same modified date.

MrMaguire - not Windows Update in Firefox. Yes sometimes Microsoft Update in Firefox, but that also is now intermittent - worked once today in XP Mode, then stopped working.

MrMaguire - same has happened to me a lot, but occasionally Microsoft Update works, as it did today in my XP Mode. Then it went back to not working. Also, it sometimes works in Firefox (not IE Tab), but that also has now become intermittent. Fortunately, Windows Update has been working as long as I DON'T permit it to move from windowsupdate.microsoft.com to update.microsoft.com. Have no idea why this is happening.

As before, I shall wait for this talented crowd to advise whether these latest updates cause a meltdown. Alors, Patclash, si votre ordinateur pense que c'est un POS, il donne des comptes en euros ou en francs français?

bluebolt - before i ran Harkaz's patch, I UNinstalled KB3013455. My test XP machine did not show a font problem, probably because it does not have any version of Office installed. Mostly wanted to test that harkaz's version of win32k.sys would run OK on my test machine, and it does. If everyone here is happy for some time, I'll install harkaz's patch on my important XP machine. On that machine, I never installed KB3013455 in the first place.

bluebolt - followed your directions on my very old XP test machine. It's running, and the installed versions of win32k.sys match what harkaz has done. Don't see a difference, but the machine does reboot and look OK. By the way, on that old test machine, I first UNinstalled the KB3013455. I did NOT leave its bad version of win32k.sys installed and did NOT install harkaz's over it. Hope that's OK. If all continues to go well, I'll eventually install on my important XP machine. Thanks to you, harkaz and all here.

harkaz - you are completely correct. Nothing but admiration for your knowledge and effort and the ability of all here to follow. If anyone does all harkaz's steps today, could you make a video while you do it, even if fast and low-quality and lengthy and unedited, and post it on youtube?

Aargh. I really don't know how to do harkaz's and everyone else's sophisticated stuff here. Did anyone do a youtube for tourists?

jaclaz - You and most others here are far more knowledgeable than I about computers. What does it mean, and how do I make sure, that I don't allow local access to my PC? Sorry for noob question, and thanks.

Dave-H - Thanks for experiment. Hope your test machine didn't blow up and shoot sales receipts all over the place. But why am I seeing TWO slightly earlier versions of win32k.sys in my machine (XP Pro SP3 32-bit) and not just one? I have win32k.sys version 5.1.2600.6648 in both C:\WINDOWS\system32 and C:\WINDOWS\system32\dllcache. In both cases, its Date Modified is 10/6/2014. So that seems to be my installed version. However, there is a later win32k.sys version 5.1.2600.6712 in C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\b801db22d4bc2b24f8383b87c3ddecaf\sp3qfe, and its Date Modified is 1/9/2015. I wonder why that later downloaded version did not actually install into my machine. Any thoughts?

Outbreaker - very interesting, and I have two questions for this esteemed group: I did NOT install the recent KB3013455 on my Win XP Pro SP3 32-bit Dell Optiplex 755. Right now, that machine has win32k.sys version 5.1.2600.6648 in both C:\WINDOWS\system32 and C:\WINDOWS\system32\dllcache. In both cases, its Date Modified is 10/6/2014. However, there is a win32k.sys version 5.1.2600.6712 in C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\b801db22d4bc2b24f8383b87c3ddecaf\sp3qfe, and its Date Modified is 1/9/2015. I wonder why that later downloaded version did not actually install into my machine. Any ideas, anyone? Also, Outbreaker's latest find apparently contains a Win32k.sys version 5.2.3790.5534 dated 04-Feb-2015 for x86-based versions of Windows Server 2003. If anyone somehow inserts that into his XP machine, please post back here with your results !!! Especially if it makes your PC grow hair.