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One of my all-time favorite bands is "Yeah Yeah Yeahs", a U.S. indie rock band. There are at least two reasons I like them: their music encompasses a wide range of styles; and their lead singer, Karen O, is one of the most beautiful women on Planet Earth (IMO), as the first video below will show. "Zero" live performance on the David Letterman Show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8m55NDHvPYwith lyrics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3eDJ0jPqJc "Heads will Roll" with lyrics http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS3iq_sOQVg&feature=related "Skeletons" slideshow (a very moody song) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA3oKFqVYB8&feature=related To complete this "Yeah Yeah Yeahs" information overload, let me also include http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeah_Yeah_Yeahs

Thanks, CoffeeFiend: for taking time to respond and all your suggestions. I know that PS 5.0 is an outdated version, but when coupled with a little creativity and ingenuity, it can, IMO, produce *good and interesting* results. Unfortunately, I'm stuck with PS 5.0, since I can't afford any later versions. Regards, Larry

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let me try to summarize and make clear to everyone what I want to achieve here. I will work with you -- in a collaborative manner -- to develop an avatar and/or signature that *totally* satisfies you. I will respond to your feedback and alter the images to try to get them closer to *your version* of perfection -- for however long it takes. The developing images will be HOSTED online, and I'll provide links so that they can be viewed on MSFN and downloaded from the 'net by you. THERE WILL BE NO "USE RESTRICTIONS" WHATSOEVER FOR ANY OF THESE HOSTED IMAGES. FEEL FREE TO DOWNLOAD THEM AND DO WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH THEM. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- August 1, 2011 Hello, everyone: I have been a member of MSFN for a year now, but it was only today that I discovered this section of the site. By means of introduction: A major interest of mine is art -- specifically, painting. But, sad to say, I had to give up painting because I developed allergies to all types of paint (even acrylic). So, as a substitute, I have been trying to learn -- over the last year or so -- my Photoshop 5.0 program. This PS version doesn't have nearly the capabilities of the newer versions, but it accomplishes a great deal. Also, I've found that I can usually "finagle" with PS 5.0 to get a more modern look. By no means do I consider myself a PS expert, but with each *specific* project that I define for myself, I learn a little more. Examples of my work are shown in my avatar (very simple), my image signature (more complex), and my photo in "My Profile". What I'd like to achieve here: As my time permits, I'd very much like to work with any MSFN member to create a *custom* avatar and/or signature. I'd rework and revise the images, based on your feedback, until you had something that suited your tastes. It is by completing such *specific* projects that my PS skills improve. I feel that my traditional art background (non-digital) provides me with additional creativity. If anyone knows a forum member who would like my "services", please alert them to this Post. For anyone wanting a custom avatar and/or signature, just respond to this Post. (If it happens that there are a lot of "interested parties", we might have to put each person in a separate "New Topic", to keep everything straight.) Many Thanks

Since 2.0.0.20 is the Firefox (FF) version I use, I thought I'd try the multi-tab scenario to see what results I got. My system parameters: Windows 98, Pentium II (450MHz) processor, 384MB RAM, Flash Player 9.0.47.0 (the highest version I can use with my P II), no FF add-ons (i.e., no extensions or themes). Procedure: I opened up 5 FF browsers and put the YouTube video (very romantic and artistic, IMO) URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJOzdLwvTHA in the address line of each. I clicked "enter" for each browser in succession. So, each browser was playing the song at the same time -- but, of course, the songs were a little out of sync because it took a finite amount of time to click "enter" for the different opened browsers. Everything went perfectly. As the songs played, I checked the status of the videos on each opened browser. There were absolutely no problems for my system. If there are any other "experiments" of this type that you want me do, just let me know.

@ skylights, Post # 187 dated April 18, 2011 Hello, skylights: I don't know if your Post is still relevant or not, since so much time has gone by since it was written, but I noticed that, as of yet, no one has answered your question: "How do I use p3cpu.vxd? (Sorry, total noob.) Thanks." If you no longer have a need for an answer, perhaps someone else will. Therefore, I'll try to provide an answer. I have a great deal of experience in using p3cpu.vxd (by itself on my P2) and "noobian" is basically the language I speak compared to others on this site. I'll describe the way I use the .vxd (also referred to as the "Patcher"). These steps are based on RLoew's instructions to me, and I incorporated a great pointer from dencorso. I'll just list the steps and the way I "operate" the Patcher -- a way that, for me, is very quick and "foolproof". 1) Copy p3cpu.vxd to the C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM Folder. 2) Backup C:\WINDOWS\System.ini. 3) System.ini is a text file. Right-click on System.ini (which is still in the C:\WINDOWS Folder), open it, find the [386Enh] Header inside, and copy and paste the following 7 lines of text into System.ini right under that Header: ;XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ;XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ;XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ;Device=P3CPU.VXD ;XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ;XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ;XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 4) Reboot. These 4 steps complete the "initial setup". At this point, the Patcher is turned off -- as I'll later explain -- so it's safe to install a new Flash Player or open an application like Photoshop. (RLoew mentioned to me that the Patcher should not be turned on during any activities such as these.) The Patcher is "operated" by the "state" (i.e., presence or absence) of the semi-colon in front of "Device" in System.ini as shown in Step 3). If the semi-colon is present and the computer rebooted, the Patcher will be turned off (as in the "initial setup" case shown above). If the semi-colon is later removed and the computer rebooted, the Patcher will be turned on. If the semi-colon is later added and the computer rebooted, the Patcher will be turned back off. Etc., etc., etc. In effect, the semi-colon is kind of a "toggle-switch" to turn the Patcher on and off. Dencorso's "invaluable" tip to me was that a semi-colon in front of any line of text in System.ini will cause that line of text to be interpreted as a "comment" (of benefit only to the code writer, or another reader), and it therefore will not be acted on by the computer. I put the three lines of Xs above and below the "Device" line to make it "pop out" (i.e., making it easy to quickly find) in System.ini when I'm turning the Patcher on or off -- and to separate the "Device" line from the other lines of text in System.ini so that I wouldn't mistakenly mess them up when turning the Patcher on or off. If you look in the C:\WINDOWS Folder, you'll notice that System.ini is in the midst of many, many other files. For me, it would be easy to mess something up if I accessed System.ini in this Folder every time I wanted to turn the Patcher on or off. Therefore, I access System.ini through Start-->Find-->Files or Folders. In the "Find: All Files" dialog box that pops up, I type in System.ini on the "Named: line" and choose (C:) on the "Look in:" line. System.ini will be found in 3 Folders, as will be shown in the "Find:Files named system.ini" dialog box that will pop up: C:\WINDOWS, C:\BACKUP, and the Folder that you chose to put the backup copy into in Step 2) above. Of course, we're interested in System.ini in the C:\WINDOWS Folder. Right-click on this System.ini, open it, and either remove or add the semi-colon in the "Device" line if you want the Patcher to be turned on or off, respectively, after reboot. I haven't been on this site for quite a while, I have a great deal of catching up to do, and I sure hope this Post is not misguided, irrelevant, or a waste of space. I was just addressing skylights' question "noob" to "noob". I hope this Post might encourage other "noobs" to try RLoew's p3cpu.vxd. There is nothing wrong with being a noob. Remember, noob spelled backwards is "boon", defined as "something to be thankful for; blessing; benefit". Can't beat that, can you ! larryb123456

Many thanks, dencorso, for responding: The main reason for this *short* message is to express my gratitude to you for sticking with this issue rather than simply "blowing off" my "thoughts"(?), "logic"(?) and **hard** work ! ! That would have been so easy to do (probably 9.9 out of 10 people would simply have ignored me and my "half-baked" comments). And, I so **appreciate** your continued "rephrasing" and adding more info a tidbit at a time (like you did in this post with the machine codes for the SSE instructions) so that I can continue to *learn*. Indeed, this has been one fascinating mental journey for me. Thanks to you -- and, of course to RLoew -- for that. I'm so glad you didn't take the "hoitey-toitey" attitude here and say "this model (= fact)". (Many people probably would have said "proven fact" and then gone on about their business, *ignoring* further commentary from me.) It's clear, dencorso, that you have learned a lot from the Runs in Post # 55 and have established a "template" for assessing the results from my present Runs. (It seems like it is taking forever to get my report done -- I just can't believe the number of interruptions that I am having.) I'm sure when I give my report, you can chew through the results "super fast" -- something akin to Godzilla eating Tokyo. larryb123456

@dencorso @rloew Hello, again. ---------------------------------------------------------- But first, and this is *very* important: dencorso, this is from your Post # 78: In regards to this Post I say: I am *really confused now* from what you say here. I just *carefully* read this info after I had written everything in this Post -- (beneath the line below). Based on my observation of the data briefly discussed below, I had concluded that rloew's Patcher *was* effective in eliminating "illegal operations" and "invalid instructions" that would have prevented Flash videos from playing. And I concluded -- at least for the 5 cases considered below -- that his Patcher "allowed" the videos to play perfectly. In other cases, where the video results were not as good, I concluded that there were as yet "unknown" factors involved -- and it is these factors that my present Test Runs are trying to "separate out" and "define". If it turns out that my **basic logic** is flawed in what I say in this Post, well, I'm just going to........I don't know what I'm going to do ! ! ! You said: The SSE is reached and the processor issues an "Invalid Instruction Fault" which is an interrupt that transfers control to a handler. If the handler is the default windows handler, you'll have a BSOD or even a crash. If it's RLoew's patcher it'll patch the code in memory to eliminate the invalid instruction by substituting it by code the Pentium II can execute and tranfer control back to the flash player at the point where the SSE instruction originally was. That would be it. Unless... Unless the Pentium II thinks it understands the instruction and performs some unpredictable action, instead of duly issuing the "Invalid Instruction Fault"! I think this is the reason why RLoew's patch doesn't actually get flash to work, although it takes good care of eliminating all crashes/BSODs. Observe that I didn't say here one single thing that had not been said before either by myself or by RLoew. I've just rephrased part of it and integrated it all in a single big picture. I say: Thanks for that rephrasing, dencorso. Rephrasing is always good, IMO. It seems that you are giving the *exact mechanism* by which rloew's Patcher *works* when you say: "If the handler is ...... RLoew's patcher it'll patch the code in memory to eliminate the invalid instruction by substituting it by code the Pentium II can execute and tranfer control back to the flash player at the point where the SSE instruction originally was." But, then you say: Unless... Unless the Pentium II thinks it understands the instruction and performs some unpredictable action, instead of duly issuing the "Invalid Instruction Fault"! I think this is the reason why RLoew's patch doesn't actually get flash to work. Are you trying to explain the "apparently irreproducible" results of Post # 55 -- for FP 9.0.115.0 and FP 9.0.280.0 -- by saying that the Pentium ll "most always" performs some unpredictable action (as evidenced by the "variety" of video playing results) instead of "handing off" the Invalid Instruction Fault to the Patcher so that the Patcher can "fix it" ? Or, equivalently, are you saying that the Pentium ll is "hogging the whole show" by "shutting out the Patcher" and then "acting a fool" so that the video playing results are "all over the map" ? In my opinion, the two or three Runs that were made in Post # 55 for each video/browser combination were simply not enough to draw definitive conclusions about "unpredictable actions" -- or anything else, either. My present results show that when *more* Test Runs are made for each variable set, definite patterns emerge. I classify the results into what I call "Behaviors" -- which I can assign a number to. I hope this approach will make data presentation "cleaner" and will allow one to say -- with certainty -- whether a certain Behavior is associated with "unpredictable action of the Pentium ll" or something else. I did not mean for this "preface" to be this long. Sorry. Thanks for reading. ---------------------------------------------------------- To continue with the first posted message: Sorry for being away for the last couple of days. I will try to get caught up here now. The Pentium lll arrived last Friday. (Today is Monday.) My nephew is combining some accumulated vacation time from work with the Labor Day weekend to take something of an extended out-of-town holiday. He is supposed to be back late this Wednesday evening. I do not know when, after that, he will be able to install the Pentium lll for me. In all the spare time I have had, I have been running more video Tests. The process of running these Tests has suggested even more Tests -- which has been a good thing. It is kind of a slow, painstaking process -- one of careful organization and interpretation of the data as I proceed. A major concern is that I have my report clear and well organized so that you both can easily understand it. That way you might have some "code-based" explanations of the data trends that I am not qualified to give. The important thing in the Tests that I am doing is to be systematic -- that is, to change only one variable at a time, so that the effects of just that *one variable* can be analyzed. It is also important to make *many* repeat Runs for each "variable set" to verify reproducibility. This way we can have confidence in the conclusions. It's kind of like a "distillation" procedure, in which more things are becoming clearer as I proceed. I wish the process were going a little faster, but it just can't be rushed along. There is one thing that has been proven -- to me, at least -- beyond a shadow of a doubt: Rloew's Patcher is *extremely effective* in eliminating "illegal operations" and "invalid instructions" in the Shockwave Flash plugin module, NPSWF32.dll. (These errors can result in a browser shut-down or a computer hang or crash.) Remember, in Post # 55, I had noticed that -- for FP 9.0.280.0 -- Opera 9.64 played Bjork's "All is Full of Love" perfectly -- without any failures -- three times. And I then said that I was curious to see how many times in a row Opera could play Bjork. So, that was the first thing I tried (in Test 1). I made 50 Runs and 15 Reproducibility Runs with perfect success over and over again. I then turned the Patcher off and made 15 Runs -- each of which, of course, was a total failure. Those 15 failures demonstrated *all* the results that I personally have experienced for FP 9 > 9.0.47.0 in trying to play videos on YouTube (with the Patcher turned off, of course). So, this demonstrated the effectiveness of the Patcher: Patcher "on" = success; Patcher "off" = failure. In addition to Bjork's "All is Full of Love" -- which played with great success -- I have found 4 other "new" videos which played with equal success, over and over again -- with the Opera browser. (But, for these 4 videos, I limited the number of Runs to 15 -- in the interest of time.) I am sure there are many other videos that Opera can play -- (and, maybe the other browsers, too) -- but I want to spend some time trying to better sort out "browser effects" for my "given set" of videos that I have accumulated so far. After *each* of the Tests for the 4 videos mentioned above, I turned the Patcher off and made 5 Runs -- and, of course -- each of these 4 x 5 = 20 Runs were total failures, in the manner described above. So, we see that the effectiveness of the Patcher is demonstrated again: Patcher "on" = success; Patcher "off" = failure. There is one point which should not be missed here. I'm sure it is obvious, but it bears repeating anyway. In *each and every case* where the Patcher has provided total success -- or even "apparently mixed results", as in Post # 55 -- it is resolving -- *behind the scenes* -- the "illegal operations" and "invalid instructions" (which would lead to a browser shut-down with the NPSWF32.dll error or a computer hang or crash). So, again, we see that the effectiveness of the Patcher is demonstrated again: Patcher "on" = total success or "apparently mixed results"; Patcher "off" = failure. The purpose of the video Tests I am now doing is to better characterize these "apparently mixed results". ---------------------------------------------------------- In rloew's Post # 72: dencorso, on 22 August 2010 - 02:35 AM, said: My point in suggesting the Pentium III is answering RLoew's question: Do these videos play with a Pentium III? If they do so correctly and without issues (without the patcher, of course), we'll know there is more that the patcher must know to work right, even if that more are not "invallid instructions". Now, if they don't we may infer that the patch achieved simulating a Pentium III out of a Pentium II well enough, but that even a Pentium III is not enough to actually have those videos play correctly. I say: I strongly feel that "illegal operations" and/or "invalid instructions" are not the reason that rloew's Patcher is not working *perfectly* at this time (see above comments) -- although I feel at this point the Patcher shows great promise. I am trying to separate out "factors" and "behaviors" from the video Test Runs I am doing to try to provide insight and guidance that can be used to improve the Patcher through the "next step", if possible. In other words, suppose the data indicated a particular behavior happening -- to which you could assign a reason. Well, from that point, you could either correct it -- maybe, by an additional little program or something -- or you could definitively say that the behavior could not be corrected. Also, it "might"(?) be possible that if the Pentium lll does not *totally* work, it could be for the *very same reasons* the Pentium ll -- now -- does not *totally* work. That is, we "might"(?) actually have *now* (Pentium ll + Patcher) = (Pentium lll), it's just that those yet unsorted out factors "might be"(?) masking that fact. Of course, all of the above is just conjecture on my part. The main purpose of the immediate discussion above (below the line) is to try to thoroughly understand the nature of the (Pentium ll + Patcher) results -- as I am now getting in my current Test Runs -- *before* we forge ahead with the Pentium lll Test Runs. But, we can discuss whether or not it is pointless to continue with the (Pentium ll + Patcher) results when I submit my report. Hopefully, at that point, you might suggest some other Test Runs I can make. For example, in the Tests I am making now, I am only considering FP 9.0.280.0 -- mainly for reasons of thoroughness and a concern that FP 9.0.115.0's more unstable nature might "confound" the data. But, we also could take a little time to consider 9.0.115.0 next with the Pentium ll -- just for completeness (and just in case the results might be "revealing"). I know that you think the results of Post # 55 are incomprehensible, but there is "a method to the madness" -- as indicated by my present results. The results of Post # 55 -- for FP 9.0.115.0 and FP 9.0.280.0 -- are confusing and basically worthless because these results were obtained in a rather haphazard way and not enough Runs were made for a given variable set. ---------------------------------------------------------- Many thanks in advance for a *thorough* response to this post. The reason I say that, is I feel that I'm dealing with issues of *fundamental* logic and understanding here. larryb123456 ----------------------------------------------------------

@dencorso @rloew Hello. I was just curious about what I discuss here. A "super-duper" quick response is not required. But I would like (and I do need) a response "sometime". I have noticed that if I place the "regular" URL for the Bjork YouTube video, "All is Full of Love", into a message post, then this URL is **replaced** by the YouTube player for this video. Note: This "magic trick" was not accomplished by me -- someone else (I have no idea who) did it. Would **I** be allowed to use this "magic trick" -- once I knew the steps behind the "magic secret" -- to post the YouTube players for other videos into a message post that I'm making ? My question(s) is(are): What steps are required to turn the "regular" video URL into the YouTube player -- seen immediately below in this message post ? I'm sure the embed code would also have to be considered in these steps, so I am also presenting it here (below) -- for convenience. (Note: I have added the (X)'s -- as shown below -- to the "regular" video URL to "deactivate" it to keep the player from being shown here for a second time.) Bjork -- "All is Full of Love" -- "regular" video URL: (X)(X)h(X)t(X)t(X)p(X):(X)/(X)/w(X)w(X)w(X).y(X)o(X) u(X)t(X)u(X)b(X)e.(X)com/(X)watch(X)?(X)v=(X)t(X)vo (X)EZ(X)Xo(X)p4(X)zM(X)&N(X)R=1(X)(X) YouTube embed code for Bjork video: <object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value=" ?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" ?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> What is the proper terminology to describe the player shown in this post ? Is it "the YouTube player **embedded** into this website (in general) and into this message post (*specifically*)" ? What are the differences (that is, *step-sequence* differences -- as I have mentioned in my last two posts) in me playing the Bjork video in the usual way (i.e., by entering the "regular" video URL in the browser address line and then clicking "enter") as compared to just clicking the arrow in the YouTube player shown in this message post ? Maybe to make the last paragraph simpler, let me restate it: If the "embedded" YouTube player (if that's the proper terminology) eliminates some steps in the video playing step-sequence -- as compared to the "usual URL method in getting the video to play" -- then, what would these eliminated steps be ? Many thanks, in advance, for your answers. larryb123456 ----------------------------------------------------- P.S., This question is not specifically related to this post, but I would also appreciate an answer. Question: First, a little background: At the bottom of YouTube's player, there is a pink line and there is a red line. The pink line indicates how much "video information" has been loaded into the player at a specific time. The red line "tracks" how much of the song has been played at a given moment. If the red line "catches up" with the pink line, there will result a "stuttering" video play that will last until the pink line can sufficiently get ahead of the red line again. ---------------------- Finally, my question: What are *all* the factors that can influence the "speed" of the pink line advancing in the player ? ---------------------- Based on random and casual (i.e., totally non-systematic) observations, it seems that emptying browser disk cache before playing a video causes the pink line to advance more slowly, so that the pink is only slightly ahead of the red (but sufficiently far enough ahead that "stuttering" operation does not result). If the disk cache is not emptied after playing the video time after time, the pink *rapidly* moves to the right side of the player (i.e., to the end of the song). Based on my understanding of browser disk cache, it would seem that all the *pink line info* would be stored in cache -- if it were not emptied before playing a video -- so that the YouTube video player could "access" it much quicker -- that is, to allow the pink to rapidly move to the end of the song. Am I correct in my understanding and explanation of the effect of "clearing browser disk cache" ? Again, many thanks. Your answers are *greatly appreciated*. larryb123456 -----------------------------------------------------

@dencorso @rloew Hello, again. I am making this short, new post, so the content won't be missed if you have already started to answer my last post, # 75. In my last post I forgot to mention that ShadowBurn426 *also* said: "I also do not get this problem (i.e., the crash problem) with FP 9.0.115.0 *if* I use a PIII instead of a PII." My question: Exactly at which point(s) -- in the step-sequence mentioned in post # 75 -- would the Pentium lll enter in to solve the problems that the Pentium ll could not solve ? (And how does the P lll do it -- i.e., the behind the scenes "mechanics" ?) I know that these two posts seem to have a lot of questions, but I'm sure you two can provide "concise", detailed answers -- if that is not an oxymoron (?) -- so that you would not have to spend too much time in responding. But, the "bottom line" is that your response will fill gaps in my knowledge that have been present for a long time. Again, many thanks. larryb123456

@dencorso @rloew Hello. Note: The info in between the first two lines below is just for informational purposes. The real crux of this post starts just below the second line. -------------------------------------------------------------- The Pentium lll 450 MHz processor has not arrived yet. As they said, it should arrive in 3 to 10 days (this being the supposed upper limit) after being purchased. So, at the very latest, it "should" be here by Sept. 1. In the meantime, I have been doing some more Test Runs of the videos to try to better understand the "apparently indecipherable" results in my post # 55 (where I tested all the different video/browser combinations). I have been using a more *systematic* approach in these new Test Runs -- that is, I change *only one* variable at a time to see the effect of *that variable*. These new results have allowed me to "separate out" the factors involved in playing a YouTube video. In general -- at least up to this point in my new Test Runs -- I have obtained a much clearer understanding. And, hopefully, when you two read my report, you also will have a much clearer understanding. Also, the results (and conclusions) in my report should provide some "guidance" when the Pentium lll is tested. I do not want to discuss these results -- at the present time -- because this discussion might "derail my train of thought". . . . However, there is one result I will mention: I have *proved* -- beyond a shadow of a doubt -- that rloew's Patcher can *absolutely* resolve browser "illegal operation" and "invalid instruction" errors associated with the NPSWF32.dll Shockwave Flash plugin. . . . When the time is right, I'll submit my report for you both to read. I don't think it will be too much longer -- a couple of days or so. -------------------------------------------------------------- The real crux of this post follows: The link in dencorso's post # 5 takes you to http://forums.adobe.com/thread/259636 At this URL, I am interested in ShadowBurn426's post to get the thread started titled: Flash 9.0.115.0 - Crash with Pentium ll. He says: "On my Pentium II, ... Flash 9.0.115.0 crashes as soon as I click the video to play it. It crashes everytime in IE, Firefox, Safari and Opera. It's definitely the plugin itself crashing and taking the browser with it." Note: This is what happens to me each and every time I use FP 9 > 9.0.47.0 (with rloew's Patcher turned off, of course) to try to play *any* YouTube video. ShadowBurn426 says: "I can avoid the crash by making sure the embed element that loads the video has a width that's less than 411. Something about the width being greater than 410 causes the plugin itself to crash." Note: I know how to access -- and copy and save -- the embed info for any YouTube video. The size (width and height) are clearly stated in this embed info. I also know that the size can change from video to video. -------------------- Question 1: What does the size (width and height) actually refer to -- and how is this size information actually used ? I don't think size would refer to the "size of the video" being played in YouTube's player, since *all* videos "appear to be" the same size when viewed in the player -- even though the width and height might be different for different videos. -------------------- The *real* crux of this post: ShadowBurn426 says: "Now, if I load the URL to the swf file that loads the video directly in the address field, the plugin doesn't crash. It's just when it's embedded in the page via markup." I'm not sure if I understand this sentence. (It confuses me.) I definitely do not know what "via markup" is. (And, for good measure, you might briefly explain the "mechanics" behind embedding; that is, if you don't mind. This way, I can be sure that there are no "misinformed gaps" in my understanding.) Certainly, by this statement, ShadowBurn426 can't be talking about *simply* copying the "regular" *video* URL directly into the browser address line to get the video to play -- since "clicking the video to play it" (as he mentions in the first sentence of his post) accomplishes the same thing (it also puts the video URL into the browser address line). The following represents my own effort to try to *apply* his approach -- vaguely understood by me, at this point: Let's consider the specific case of the Bjork "All is Full of Love" YouTube video. I first copied *all* the embed info and pasted it into this post, but the post preview showed that the "actual video" would then be embedded into *this post* -- something I did not want. When I "extracted" just the size and "embed URL" from the embed info, the post preview again showed that the video would be embedded in this post. So, really, we do not need to see the actual "embed URL" -- the important thing here is to note that this URL is present in the embed info. The size is: object width="640" height="385" On looking at the embed info, we see that only one URL is given (but it is repeated twice): (Note: this URL is somewhat similar to -- but not *identical* to -- the "regular" video URL.) Now, if we enter the "embed" URL into the browser address line and click enter, we do not go to the usual YouTube site with its usual player. Instead, we get a totally different *full-screen* player with a right-pointing "arrow head" in the middle, which needs to be clicked to get the video to play. I am sure that this is what ShadowBurn426 meant when he said: "Now, if I load the URL to the swf file that loads the video directly in the address field, the plugin doesn't crash. It's just when it's embedded in the page via markup." Here is one thing I have never *fully* understood -- and it involves the *step sequence* in a browser trying to get a YouTube video to play. (That is, I am trying to understand the behind-the-scenes "mechanics" involved.) I will list these steps as I now understand them -- and if you could further elaborate or provide a *corrected* step-sequence, that would increase my understanding *greatly*. Step 1: I have the URL for a video that I want to play. Step 2: I enter this URL into the browser address line and click "enter". Step 3: The browser then "goes" to this URL address and "attempts" to play the desired video. -------------------- Question 2: *All* the browser has to "work with" once it "reaches" the video URL is the video embed information provided at that URL ? Correct ? That's *all* -- and *nothing more* -- Correct ? -------------------- Step 4: The browser then "looks inside" the embed "black box" to find the "other" video URL and then it uses *that* URL to "try to" get the video to play -- with whatever FP version that happens to be installed in the browser. Correct ? Step 5: If the browser can access and *apply* this URL info all-right -- again, with the *specific* FP version installed -- then the video plays OK. Correct ? -------------------- Question 3: In the above discussion I have used the "URL method" to get the video to play (that is, I enter the video URL into the browser address line and click "enter"). There is another method to get the video to play. I can do an artist search and then click on one of the little jpeg-image *links* that "pop up" after the search. This gets the video playing automatically. To me, it seems that these two methods would be identical, since both methods accomplish the same thing -- the video URL is placed into the browser address line. These two methods are *identical* (in *all* of their "mechanics"). Correct ? -------------------- -------------------------------------------------- In a "nutshell", what I am asking from you in your response (the *more detail* the better) is: If you could provide a COMPLETE step sequence in getting a YouTube video to play -- especially including *all* the possible points at which SSE instructions might enter into the "situation" -- it would *greatly* increase my understanding. (As dencorso had mentioned earlier, he examined the "code" in one of the versions of FP 9 > 9.0.47.0 and found SSE "instructions".) Can you explain what would happen (i.e., the steps involved) if my browser (with FP 9 > 9.0.47.0 installed with the Patcher turned off, of course) -- while trying to apply the YouTube embed info -- ran into the SSE instructions (which are not understood by my Pentium ll). Would the browser -- in doing "the best it could" in this situation with my Penium ll -- *attempt* an illegal operation in the NPSWF32.dll module, which would result in a browser shut-down ? -------------------------------------------------- Many thanks, in advance, for a *detailed* response (the more info the better, IMO) -- that is if you want to take the time to give such a response. A detailed response should allow me to "understand even better" the new Test Runs I have made. Also, a detailed response might suggest some other Trial Runs as I try to separate out the effects of *individual* variables. -------------------------------------------------- larryb123456 -------------------------------------------------- P.S., A minor point of clarification: I think the *real* reason I was getting the YouTube video player included in my message post (as discussed above) was because I first had the "regular" video URL copied into the message. Since I had *never* seen the player before, I just naturally assumed it was due to my copying the embed code onto the page. So, to double check, I just made a test post that contained *only* the "regular" video URL, previewed it, and then saw the YouTube player as before. Then, I cancelled the message. This is definitely something new on the site. --------------------------------------------------

@dencorso @rloew Hello: I purchased the Pentium lll 450 MHz processor and they say it should be here in 3 - 10 days. I copied dencorso's message post and e-mailed it to my nephew. I told him that if he had any questions, I'd post them on the site to get the answers. He is more than happy to install it in my computer (as his schedule permits). I'm going to have to take it a little easy on the site for a couple of days or so. I have a tremendous amount of personal business to take care of. Thank you. larryb123456

Thanks for the clear explanation. You say "it's possible not even a Pentium III may be enough (to play FP > FP 9.0.47.0 -- I added what's in parentheses). In *all* my comments about FP 9 and Pentium lll, I had *accepted* your and halohalo's assertions that Pentium lll *was* necessary and sufficient. And , *now*, you are backing off from this -- a little -- (now that's not very nice -- LOL!). First I discovered that Adobe lied to me, and I now discover that you might have "stretched the truth" a little. LOL ! Best not to play mind games with the feeble-minded -- right ? LOL ! BTW, FP 9 is as high as I can go with my Windows 98, either with or without the Pentium lll -- but, I'm sure you know this. What is rloew's sense of urgency in testing the Pentium lll ? Like I said, my part will depend ***totally*** on my nephew's schedule. He is very busy with work and he is now trying to get everything set up for the birth of his twins (his first children) -- so his spare time is very limited. I'll touch base with him to get some sense of where he is at on this issue. larryb123456

Excellent detective work, dencorso. I can't believe how closely the processors match up -- can't beat "identical" can you ? I will contact my nephew and I'm sure he will say it's no big problem to do, and I think he'd enjoy installing it for me. He has been building his own computers since he was 15 or so. (He's now 30.) I will go ahead and get the Pentium lll. I don't want to rush into it though until I can better understand the reasons behind the mixed results I'm getting in Post # 55. I would just like to experiment a little more -- using *my* logic -- to try to *separate out* factors that might explain the mixed results in Post # 55. But if what you and halohalo say about Pentium lll being *necessary* for FP 9 > 9.0.47.0 to play Flash videos *everywhere* -- and I'm sure you two are right -- then rloew's Patcher will never be activated because it won't be needed in this case. It will be kind of like using the Patcher with my Pentium ll system playing FP 9.0.47.0. Since there are no "invalid instructions" (I can't remember rloew's *exact* term) that will pop up in this case, there will be nothing for the Patcher to clean up. But, to make sure of the Patcher's compatibility, etc. with Pentium lll 450 MHz, you can't beat testing it. Best to be thorough and leave no stone unturned, right ? Many thanks on your rapid response, dencorso. The thunderstorms came and it was thundering and lightening like crazy but the power didn't go off this time. As for the criterion to decide how much is enough, how about "infinity" -- I do have a lot of patience. LOL ! Again, many thanks. larryb123456 P.S., It just dawned on me that *I* don't have a *big* sense of urgency in installing the Pentium lll, but I have *no idea* of what rloew's sense of urgency is. If there were a super-duper need to test it right away, I guess I could install the Pentium lll and do rloew's test runs and then reinstall my Pentium ll to fiddle around with my half-baked logic. But, really, we already *pretty much* know that the Pentium lll will successfully play the videos I tested with the Patcher off and then with it on. But I guess another factor in this test involves Windows 98. BTW, is it OK to use Pentium lll in my Windows 98 system ? I would guess it is, since my processor and the Pentium lll in question are both 450 MHz. I would guess the MHz is the important thing here.

I EDITED THIS POST TO ADD THE P.S. SHOWN ON THE NEXT POST, BUT INSTEAD OF "SAVING CHANGES" IT ADDED A WHOLE NEW POST. I PROBABLY MESSED UP AND HIT THE WRONG BUTTON, I DON'T KNOW. *IF* THE NEXT POST IS THE SAME AS THIS ONE -- EXCEPT FOR THE P.S. -- PLEASE DELETE THIS POST. THANKS. --------------------------------------------------------------

Hello, rloew: I am still thinking this situation through, so I don't want to go into too many details now -- it might mess up my own train of thought. I am thinking of an experiment I want to try. Details later. But first, I need some info from you. Suppose you had a file that had been "educated" by your Patcher so that the Patcher would no longer be needed. # 1) If you reboot, does this "educated" file go back to being a "lame brain" -- that is, the way it was before it was "educated" by the Patcher ? I know these aren't the proper terms, but I'm sure you know what I mean. # 2) Now suppose you had educated_file.xx. What would happen if you made a *copy* of educated_file.xx *while* the patcher was running ? It would seem to me that educated_file.xx would not be changed. (Or, maybe it would -- you can tell me.) Now, I don't know what would happen -- with the patcher running -- in the process of creating Copy of educated_file.xx. Would Copy of educated_file.xx be "corrupted" because the patcher was running ? Or would the Copy of educated_file.xx have its "education" *permanently saved* in its makeup -- so that if you did reboot, Copy of educated_file.xx would not be affected. Can you fill me in on these details ? If at all possible, could you answer back soon. There are going to be severe thunderstorms coming through here before too long, and the power *always* goes off and crashes my computer -- so I have to reboot to get going again. Basically, I am making *this* request because I don't know the answer to # 1). I'll probably be wasting my time with my little experiment, but as they say, "Nothing ventured, nothing gained." And as The Rolling Stones have said, "Time, time, time is on my side -- yes it is". Thanks larryb123456

Hello, rloew, I just saw your Post # 61. As for the Pentium lll issue, I thought I'd summarize all the discussion about it -- in *this* thread -- to give you an overall view of the thoughts mentioned here. Halohalo, in Post # 2 said, "Since 9.0.115.0, Flash Player 9 requires SSE." As I pointed out in my Post # 3, "The first CPU to support SSE (is) the Pentium lll ...." So, halohalo's statement is equivalent to stating that "Since 9.0.115.0, Flash Player 9 requires Pentium lll (at a minimum)." Then halohalo (in Post # 4) and dencorso (in Post # 5) gave links to "prove" that Pentium ll is the *whole* and *complete* reason that FP 9 > 9.0.47.0 will not work. It was kind of like: "That's it. Case closed." This frustrated me, because I knew that FP 9.0.115.0 (and all other higher versions that I had tried) worked great on many websites (but not on *all* websites). I sincerely felt that Pentium ll was not the whole problem. Finally, you came forward -- I don't recall the post number, but I'm sure you remember it -- to say that the sites where FP 9 > 9.0.47.0 worked had *simpler* Flash "instructions" that my Pentium ll could understand. (BTW, many thanks for that.) You ask, "Do these videos play with a Pentium III?" If one wanted to just *isolate* the effect of the *Pentium lll* in a comparison to *my* video results, *all other* factors should be kept -- as much as possible -- the same as mine. I run Windows 98 with a Pentium ll 450 MHz processor -- and I have 384 MB RAM, in case that makes any difference. Do they make a Pentium lll 450 MHz processor that works on Windows 98 ? Or does anyone else on the forum have this setup ? It seems that setup would isolate *just* the effect of the Pentium lll in getting the *same* videos to work. I hope this info is helpful to you in kind of putting these issues into a "nutshell" -- at least as discussed in *this* thread. Thanks. P.S., I had mentioned in an earlier post, "I have a Pentium ll 450 MHz processor if that info helps in regard to the "timing problems" and "erratic behavior". Also 384 MB RAM.", but I don't believe you addressed this statement directly. Let me restate my statement as a question: What are the *minimum* system requirements to avoid the "erratic behavior" and "timing problems" that are displayed in my Post # 55 (where I tested all the songs) ? Thanks, rloew. larryb123456

@ rloew post # 56 and @ dencorso post # 57 Hello: I posted # 58 before I saw your two posts. My ! You all are indeed fast responders. My post # 55 represents many long hours of intense concentration. In a word, there are *no mistakes* in it to mislead you if you analize the results. I can guarantee you on that. Rloew, you say the *Patcher* cannot do more. From that, I guess it would be a waste of time to analize post # 55 except to try to identify *other* factors that might enter in. I have a Pentium ll 450 MHz processor if that info helps in regard to the "timing problems" and "erratic behavior". Also 384 MB RAM. I just looked back at my post # 55, where -- in Task # 1-- with FP 9.0.280.0 -- for Bjork "All is Full of Love" -- the OPERA browser played the video three times with *no crashes* at all. These three successes were not in a row. I had played other videos -- with mixed results -- in between. I should have kept running Bjork to see how many times she would play. I think I will reinstall 9.0.280.0 tomorrow and see. Even if it crashes I will keep running it over and over -- just for the Bjork video -- and post back the results. I vaguely remember you talking about copying the Flash files if a video played successfully, say, 50 or so times in a row. We can try that if you want -- nothing to lose, right ? But, that's for later. The Opera Flash files are in a plugins folder so they will be easy to get to. That might be worth a try. But first, I want to see how many times Opera can play Bjork. So far, it's on a winning streak. But, first I have to get some rest. I have been up for 2 days straight. I can hardly see straight. You can see where I am coming from here, so *please* overlook any sloppy mistakes I made in the details here. (I was ultra sharp though when I made post # 55.) Dencorso, I'll talk with you later. I've got to get some sleep now. larryb 123456 I'll post back the results.

Hi again, dencorso: Can you elaborate a little on this ? I don't quite know what you mean by "setup". I'd guess that you are talking about my *computer* by using a "bold" word like setup. If you are talking about my computer, is there a way to analyze it's *capability* to resolve the "buffering problems" you suggest ? If it helps -- and I *certainly* don't know if it will help or not -- I have a Pentium ll 450 MHz CPU and 384 MB RAM. Or, are you talking buffering problems with individual browsers ? Because when you mention Flash 9.0.280.0 (plugin) you --(most certainly ?)-- are talking browsers, too, since FP plugin *in the browser* is necessary for Flash video viewing.. If you are talking buffering problems in the *browser* as it plays a Flash video -- i.e., the little "red" line catching up with the "pink" line (as shown at the bottom of the player on YouTube, for example) -- I can provide the following info: for my IE, Firefox, and Netscape browsers, the pink line goes very fast and the red *never* catches up with the pink. But for Opera 9.64 (and even 10.10 when I had it installed) it's a different story: the red is always right on top of the pink which leads to a "stuttering" operation. Of course, if I let the pink go all the way to the right in the player, then Opera can play Flash videos great, because the red won't ever catch up with the pink if I start the red all the way to the left in the player. But, I'd guess that you are referring to the inconsistent behavior of my system as it tries to play Flash 9.0.280.0 (and 9.0.115.0) because of all the computer hangs and the fact that if I go to the same webpage 3 times in a row, I'll likely get three different kinds of results. Sorry, I rambled on. You don't have to give long answers in your response, just very, very short answers to the things I mentioned here. (Kind of like rloew did previously) Thanks, dencorso for your help and patience. I am learning a lot here. BTW, your semi-colon editing of the system.ini file is great ! That's the way I'm turning the Patcher on and off -- so quick and so simple. (I edit through "Find > Files or Folders" so that I don't have to actually look thru the C:\Windows folder). larryb123456

Hello, dencorso: Here is the information you requested. I tried to write it clearly so that you could go over it moderately quickly -- and also, so that it would not be too confusing. The discussion on 9.0.115.0 is probably a *little easier* to understand, since I went straight down the list of songs and browser versions with no jumping around. I jumped around *a little* with 9.0.280.0. (But, there definitely was more *weird* stuff happening with 9.0.115.0 than with 9.0.280.0.) I'll be waiting to hear what your analysis of this *raw data* reveals. Also, let me know what you would like me to do next on this issue. There is some *new* information (at least for me) -- that I *stumbled* on in playing with 9.0.280.0 at: Task # 1 --> MGMT "Electric Feel" --> OPERA. Plus, you and I had never discussed this info before. This is where I define "Seek worked" or "Seek didn't work". (BTW, it always worked.) I hope here I'm not wasting your time with something you already knew. As I state in the 9.0.280.0 discussion, I did not watch *each* video -- in its entirety -- to establish whether or not "seek worked". Usually, as soon as I saw that it worked, I moved on to the next video. However, for 9.0.115.0 I watched *each and every* video -- in its entirety -- so that I wouldn't miss anything if it happened. Basically, "seek", as I define it, concerns taking a "little more active" role in watching a frozen up video -- usually a black screen -- that stays frozen as the audio plays normally from start to end. By "seek" you can reveal images behind the black screen -- one by one -- one second at a time. Without "seek", the video starts playing (without audio) *as soon as* the audio stops -- but rarely at the beginning of the song (it's usually at some random point that can't be identified.) Once the video starts playing (again, without audio) it continues to the end of the song and then the player closes. With "seek", video still-frame images can be shown as the audio plays, and when the song ends, the player *closes* (instead of playing the video as discussed in the last paragraph). There is *definitely* a difference in behavior in these two "with" and "without" cases -- at least from the limited number of FP/video/browser combinations I've looked at. I am probably ***embarrassing*** myself with all the above rambling, but, really I don't care. I considered *my role* in this exercise to be the *most careful* observer of what was happening on my monitor that I could possibly be. I *absolutely* do not know whether all this *raw* info -- or my *wild speculations* about "seek" -- will be of any help or not in getting rloew's Patcher working. Thanks, dencorso. larryb123456 P.S., I don't know the maximum size limit on a message post, but if this one is too long to post as is, I'll break it up into smaller sections and repost. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- For all tasks below, Operating System: Windows 98 Processor: Pentium ll, 450 MHz RAM: 384MB -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 1: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Browsers: Firefox 2.0.0.20, Netscape 9.0.0.6, Opera 9.64 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- With Flash Player 9.0.280.0 and Patcher on -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bjork "All is Full of Love" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvoEZXop4zM&NR=1 FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- audio and video were in synch until 2:37. Then video froze up while audio continued to the end. When audio finished, video continued from 2:37 to the end without any audio. --------------------- *second try* -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then, player closed. --------------------- *third try* -- the discussion below for the Kate Bush video at NETSCAPE: *third try* motivated me to reboot before trying the Bjork video again. Result -- the results were the same as in *first try*. ( Really, I wasn't paying close enough attention to the video, but when I noticed it had stopped, the time was 2:40 -- so, I'd estimate that the video stopped around 2:30 to 2:40.) As a final test of the effect of rebooting for Firefox, I thought I'd reboot and replay MGMT "Time to Pretend" . --------------------- *fourth try* -- got computer hang as soon as webpage opened. Escaped with Ctrl+Alt+Del. Did not reboot. Tried again. Got *exactly* the same results as in *first try* -- video froze up at exactly 2:37. (I was paying close attention this time.) --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first try* -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing (but I don't think it started from the *very* beginning) and continued to end. --------------------- *second try* -- got computer hang as soon as webpage opened. Escaped with Ctrl+Alt+Del. Did not reboot. Tried again. Got *exactly* the same result as for Firefox *first* try discussed above --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try* -- VIDEO PLAYED PERFECTLY -- AUDIO AND VIDEO IN SYNCH -- FROM START TO END. --------------------- *second try* -- I thought I'd try it again to see the reproducibility. (I had played many videos between *first try* and *second try*.) Result -- VIDEO PLAYED PERFECTLY -- AUDIO AND VIDEO IN SYNCH -- FROM START TO END. --------------------- *third try* -- curious to see if video would play successfully for third time. (I had played quite a few videos between *second try* and this try.) Result -- VIDEO PLAYED PERFECTLY -- AUDIO AND VIDEO IN SYNCH -- FROM START TO END. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kate Bush "Army Dreamers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWdHOm256N4&feature=related FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- video froze up immediately on starting and stayed frozen while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing and continued to end -- without any audio. --------------------- *second try* -- see third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". "Seek worked." --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first try* -- video froze up at first frame. Audio played until 0:57 and stopped. Nothing I tried could get the audio to play again (moving slider bar, turning it on and off, etc.) --------------------- *second try* -- computer hang. Used Ctrl+Alt+Delete to escape OK. Then, rebooted before third try. --------------------- *third try* -- video froze up at first frame while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing (but I don't think it was from the *very* beginning -- but it was close) until end. This was the first time I had rebooted immediately before playing a video and the performance was improved a little but it still was not perfect. (The only other possible time I might have rebooted was before the Bjork video discussed above under FIREFOX: *first try*, so I thought I'd reboot again and replay the Bjork video for the *third try* to get some sense of the effect of rebooting.) --------------------- *fourth try* -- see third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". "Seek worked." --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try -- video froze up immediately on starting and stayed frozen while audio played from start to end. Then the video played (but not from the beginning) until end without any audio. --------------------- *second try* -- See third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". Video opened with the first frame frozen (i.e., her eye). "Seek worked". --------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- House of Pain "Jump Around" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQbPgouUYo FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- video froze up immediately on starting (it might have been a frozen black screen -- in my recollection 24 hours later) and stayed frozen while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing and continued from beginning to end -- without any audio. --------------------- *second try* -- black screen stayed while audio moved on. See third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". "Seek worked." --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first try -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing and continued from beginning to end -- without any audio. --------------------- *second try -- got computer hang *as soon as* webpage opened. Escaped with Ctrl+Alt+Del. Did not reboot. Went to site again. See third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". "Seek worked." --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try* -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing and continued from beginning to end -- without any audio. --------------------- *second try* -- first image was a title page which stayed frozen while audio advanced. See third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". "Seek worked." When I went to close out the webpage, I discovered I had a computer hang. But the audio kept playing right along anyway. Escaped with Ctrl+Alt+Del. Did not reboot. --------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Time to Pretend" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=canpQNO6Wgs FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then, player closed. --------------------- *second try* -- the discussion for the Bjork video under FIREFOX: *third try* lead me to reboot before replaying "Time to Pretend". Result -- the behavior was *exactly* the same as for *first try*. So, here, rebooting had absolutely no effect. Thus, I'm not going to do any more rebooting before playing a video. --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first try* -- computer hang *as soon as* webpage opened. Escaped with Ctrl+Alt+Delete. I thought I'd reboot to see if I'd get a hard crash on reboot (in light of the problems discussed with OPERA immediately below). Got a clean reboot, so I thought I'd give it a second try. --------------------- *second try* -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then player closed. --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try* -- Instead of a black screen on opening, it had a title page: MGMT "Time to Pretend". This title page (probably the first frame of the video) remained while the audio played a couple of minutes and then I got a computer hang. Used Ctrl+Alt+Delete to escape OK. Decided to reboot and replay. Got a *hard* computer crash when trying to reboot. I booted up again and tried again. --------------------- *second try* -- Result: As soon as webpage opened I got a computer hang. Used Ctrl+Alt+Delete to escape OK. Decided to try again, but did not reboot. --------------------- *third try* -- soon after the page opened, I got a browser crash saying: "Opera has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down." Under "Details" it said "Opera caused an invalid page fault in module USER.EXE". I then stopped trying to get MGMT "Time to Pretend" to play. --------------------- *fourth try* -- decided, after all, to try it again the next day, just to see what would happen. Result: no problems at all like yesterday. Video opened with a frozen black screen while audio advanced. (BTW, audio played all the way from start to end and then player closed.) See third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". "Seek worked." --------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Electric Feel" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZexg8sxyk FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- video opened (yesterday) with a 10 -15 second Google ad -- in the player -- which played with audio and video in synch from start to end. When MGMT video opened -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then, player closed. --------------------- *second try* --player opened (today) with what was supposed to be a 20 sec video ad (as said at the bottom of the ad). Ad played *very* choppily -- both audio and video -- for 10 sec until MGMT audio started and advanced with a frozen black screen. See third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". "Seek worked." --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- Player opened with what was supposed to be a 20 sec video ad (as said at the bottom of the ad). Ad played *very* choppily -- both audio and video -- for 10 sec until MGMT audio started. Audio played from start to end with a black screen throughout. Then player closed. --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- Player opened with ad that gave exactly the same choppy behavior discussed immediately above for Netscape. Then MGMT audio started and played with black screen. Always before I had just sat passively by while the whole audio played with the black screen. This time -- for the first time -- I clicked on the "seek" bar (i.e., the red line at the bottom of the player which shows how much of the video has been downloaded and how much of the video has been played). Surprisingly, whatever time I clicked on -- on the seek bar -- showed just that *one frame* of the video which corresponded to that time. That frame stayed frozen while the audio continued on. I could go back and forth -- clicking on the seek bar -- to expose different frozen video images. The audio would always restart -- and continue -- from the time I clicked on, *exactly* as it should. In the Kate Bush video above, the first frame of the video -- which shows only her eye -- is frozen during the whole time the audio plays. I'm going to replay her video with Opera to see if clicking on the seek bar will expose different frozen video images. If I can expose these images by clicking, I will simply write "seek worked". I might try some other videos with other browsers. I won't play the whole song (it takes too much time). I'll just quickly establish whether "seek worked" or "seek didn't work". -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Teddy Bears "To Know Him is to Love Him" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnUsInBQws FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then video played from start to end without any audio. --------------------- *second try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced. See third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". "Seek worked." --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first try* --black screen while audio played from start to end. Then video played from start to end without any audio. Here, I didn't fiddle with the seek bar. I just passively watched from start to end. --------------------- *second try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced. See third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". "Seek worked." I fiddled with the seek bar, which exposed still-frame images in the video, and I let the audio finish playing. Instead of the video playing when the audio ended -- as in *first try* -- the player closed. --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try* --black screen while audio played from start to end. Then video played from start to end without any audio. Here, I didn't fiddle with the seek bar. I just passively watched from start to end. --------------------- *second try* --*second try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced. See third paragraph under OPERA for MGMT "Electric Feel". "Seek worked." I fiddled with the seek bar, which exposed still-frame images in the video, and I let the audio finish playing. Instead of the video playing when the audio ended -- as in *first try* -- the player closed. --------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 1 completed -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 2 a): -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Browsers: Firefox 2.0.0.20, Netscape 9.0.0.6, Opera 9.64 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- With Flash Player 9.0.47.0 and Patcher off -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bjork "All is Full of Love" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvoEZXop4zM&NR=1 FIREFOX: Perfect NETSCAPE: Perfect OPERA: Perfect --------------------------------------------------- Kate Bush "Army Dreamers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWdHOm256N4&feature=related FIREFOX: Perfect NETSCAPE: Perfect OPERA: Perfect --------------------------------------------------- House of Pain "Jump Around" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQbPgouUYo FIREFOX: Perfect NETSCAPE: Perfect OPERA: Perfect --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Time to Pretend" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=canpQNO6Wgs FIREFOX: Perfect NETSCAPE: Perfect OPERA: Perfect --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Electric Feel" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZexg8sxyk FIREFOX: Player opened with what was supposed to be a 20 sec video ad (as said at the bottom of the ad). Ad played *very* choppily -- both audio and video -- for about 10 sec until MGMT video started. Then, MGMT video played perfectly. NETSCAPE: Exact same results as for FIREFOX above. OPERA: Exact same results as for FIREFOX above. --------------------------------------------------- The Teddy Bears "To Know Him is to Love Him" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnUsInBQws FIREFOX: Perfect NETSCAPE: Perfect OPERA: Perfect -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 2 a) completed -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 2 b ): -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Browsers: Firefox 2.0.0.20, Netscape 9.0.0.6, Opera 9.64 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- With Flash Player 9.0.47.0 and Patcher on -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bjork "All is Full of Love" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvoEZXop4zM&NR=1 FIREFOX: Perfect NETSCAPE: Perfect OPERA: Perfect --------------------------------------------------- Kate Bush "Army Dreamers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWdHOm256N4&feature=related FIREFOX: Perfect NETSCAPE: Perfect OPERA:Perfect --------------------------------------------------- House of Pain "Jump Around" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQbPgouUYo FIREFOX: Perfect NETSCAPE: Perfect OPERA: Perfect --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Time to Pretend" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=canpQNO6Wgs FIREFOX: Perfect NETSCAPE: Perfect OPERA: Perfect --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Electric Feel" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZexg8sxyk FIREFOX: Player opened with what was supposed to be a 20 sec video ad (as said at the bottom of the ad). Ad played *very* choppily -- both audio and video -- for about 10 sec until MGMT video started. Then, MGMT video played perfectly. NETSCAPE: Exact same results as for FIREFOX above. OPERA: Exact same results as for FIREFOX above. --------------------------------------------------- The Teddy Bears "To Know Him is to Love Him" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnUsInBQws FIREFOX: Perfect NETSCAPE: Perfect OPERA: Perfect -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 2 b ) completed -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 3 a): -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: in this task, I am proceeding -- in order -- from top to bottom (i.e., no jumping around). I will list all crashes, hangs, etc. and will try to avoid rebooting (unless,of course, I get a hard computer crash). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Browsers: Firefox 2.0.0.20, Netscape 9.0.0.6, Opera 9.64 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- With Flash Player 9.0.115.0 and Patcher on -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bjork "All is Full of Love" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvoEZXop4zM&NR=1 FIREFOX: similar behavior as found with FP 9.0.280.0. Audio and video played great -- in synch -- until 2:40 (the song is 3:49) when video froze up -- and stayed frozen -- while audio continued to end. *As soon as* audio finished, video started up (but without audio) -- from some undetermined point near the end of the song -- and continued to end. NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first* try -- as soon as webpage opened, got a computer hang, escaped by Ctrl+Alt+Del. Did not reboot. --------------------- *second try* -- frozen black screen while audio started and continued to end. As soon as audio finished, video started playing (without audio) and continued to end. In this case, I know what the time was that the video started -- around 2:40 (+ or - 0:05) -- since I'm very familiar with her image at this point, since the video has frozen up here so many times before. --------------------- *third try* -- VIDEO PLAYED PERFECTLY -- AUDIO AND VIDEO IN SYNCH -- FROM START TO END. --------------------- *fourth try* -- VIDEO PLAYED PERFECTLY -- AUDIO AND VIDEO IN SYNCH -- FROM START TO END. --------------------- *fifth try* -- audio and video in synch until video froze up at 1:30 (always before, it was at around 2:40). Then audio continued to end. As soon as audio stopped, video started (at some undetermined point near the end of song) and then continued to end. --------------------- *sixth try* -- audio and video in synch until video froze up at 3:25 -- most times before, it was at around 2:40. (Note: song was 3:49, so the song was very close to being finished when the video froze up.) Then audio continued playing to end. As soon as audio stopped, video started (at some point *very near* the end of song) and then continued to end. --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try* -- VIDEO PLAYED PERFECTLY -- AUDIO AND VIDEO IN SYNCH -- FROM START TO END. --------------------- *second try* -- VIDEO PLAYED PERFECTLY -- AUDIO AND VIDEO IN SYNCH -- FROM START TO END. --------------------- *third try* -- got computer hang as soon as webpage opened. Escaped via Ctrl+Alt+Del. Did not reboot. --------------------- *fourth try* -- video frozen at first frame and there was *never* any audio at all. Red line at bottom of player (which indicates how much of the song has played) was moving in super slow motion. For example, for the time indicator at bottom left of player to advance one second, it would take 3 to 4 *actual* real-time seconds. (I had never seen this behavior before.) Finally, the video stopped at 2:30 and there was absolutely nothing I could do to advance the song beyond this point. --------------------- *fifth try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced. "Seek worked." I let audio finish to end, expecting player to then close as it had done in the past. But, in this case, video continued playing -- without audio -- from about 30 seconds from the end of the song all the way to the end. Then got computer hang. Escaped via Ctrl+Alt+Del. Computer is acting very sluggish, so I will reboot here. (Got a clean reboot.) --------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Kate Bush "Army Dreamers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWdHOm256N4&feature=related FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- as soon as webpage opened, got computer hang. Escaped via Ctrl+Alt+Del. --------------------- *second try* -- first frame of video frozen while audio advanced from start to end. Then video started at a point *very near* the beginning of song and continued to end. --------------------- *third try* -- first frame of video frozen while audio advanced. "Seek worked." I let audio finish and then the player closed. --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first try* -- as soon as webpage opened, got computer hang. Escaped via Ctrl+Alt+Del. --------------------- *second try* -- first frame of video frozen while audio advanced until end. As soon as audio finished, video started -- at some point near the end of the song -- and continued until end. --------------------- *third try* -- black screen frozen while audio advanced. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try* -- first frame of video frozen while audio advanced to end. When audio finished, video started -- from a point near end of song -- and played to end (without any audio). --------------------- *second try* -- first frame of video frozen while audio advanced. "Seek worked." I let audio finish and then player closed. --------------------- --------------------------------------------------- House of Pain "Jump Around" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQbPgouUYo FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced to end. Then video started (at some undetermined point in the song) and played -- in *super slow motion* and without audio -- until end. --------------------- *second try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced to end. Then video started (at some undetermined point in the song) and played -- in *super slow motion* and without audio -- until end. --------------------- *second try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try* -- first frame of video (title page) was frozen on screen while audio advanced until it stopped at 2:38 (song was 3:22). Discovered I had a computer hang. Escaped via Ctrl+Alt+Del. --------------------- *second try* -- black screen frozen while audio advanced to end. As soon as audio ended, the video started (at some undetermined point in the song) and played normally -- no slow motion as discussed above for Firefox and Netscape, but still without audio -- until end. --------------------- *third try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Time to Pretend" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=canpQNO6Wgs FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced from beginning to end. When audio was finished, player closed. --------------------- *second try* -- as soon as webpage opened, I got a computer hang. Escaped via Ctrl+Alt+Del. --------------------- *third try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first try* -- as soon as webpage opened, I got a computer hang. Escaped via Ctrl+Alt+Del. --------------------- *second try* -- as soon as webpage opened, I got *another* computer hang. Escaped via Ctrl+Alt+Del. I'm going to reboot now to see if that helps. Got a clean reboot. --------------------- *third try* -- as soon as webpage opened, I got *another* computer hang. Escaped via Ctrl+Alt+Del. I will give it one more try. If I get another hang, I quit on this one. --------------------- *fourth try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced from beginning to end. When audio was finished, player closed. --------------------- *fifth try* -- music played for a second or two (with a black screen) and then I got another computer hang. Escaped via Ctrl+Alt+Del. I'm done with this one. --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced from beginning to end. When audio was finished, player closed. --------------------- *second try* -- frozen black screen while audio advanced. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Electric Feel" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZexg8sxyk FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- player opened with what was supposed to be a 20 sec video ad (as said at the bottom of the ad). Ad played *very* choppily -- both audio and video -- for about 10 sec. After ad finished, there was a frozen black screen and there was *never* any audio at all. Red line at bottom of player (which indicates how much of the song has played) was moving in super slow motion. For example, for the time indicator at bottom left of player to advance one second, it would take 3 to 4 *actual* real-time seconds. After watching for about 4 minutes I closed the browser. I did not want to sit there for 12 minutes watching the red line advance for what should have been a 4 minute song. (The first time I witnessed this behavior, I *did* sit there and watch the whole thing -- as discussed somewhere in the verbiage above.) --------------------- *second try* -- player opened with same *choppy* ad discussed immediately above. After ad was over, there was a frozen black screen while audio advanced properly (i.e., no slow motion) from beginning to end. When audio finished, player closed. --------------------- *third try* -- player opened with same *choppy* ad. Then there was a frozen black screen with audio advancing until 0.10 at which time I had a computer hang. Escaped with Ctrl+Alt+Del. --------------------- *fourth try* -- player opened with same *choppy* ad. Then there was a frozen black screen with audio advancing normally. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first try* -- player opened with same *choppy* ad. Then there was a frozen black screen with audio advancing normally. When audio was finished, player closed. --------------------- *second try* -- player opened with same *choppy* ad. As soon as ad was over, I got another computer hang. Escaped with Ctrl+Alt+Del. --------------------- *third try* -- player opened with same *choppy* ad. Then there was a frozen black screen with audio advancing normally. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try* -- player opened with same *choppy* ad. Then there was a frozen black screen with audio advancing. But here, the *audio* was in slow motion (that is, the timer at the lower left of the player showed that 1 sec was *really* 3 to 4 sec.) I listened for 3 min (the video was 3:50) to see if something else might happen, but then I closed the browser -- the audio was just too painful to listen to. --------------------- *second try* -- player opened with same *choppy* ad. Then I ran into the *exact* same problem discussed immediately above for the slow motion audio. I listened for 30 sec and then closed the browser. --------------------- *third try* -- player opened with same *choppy* ad. Again I ran into the slow-motion timer problem discussed in "first try* and *second try* (again, 1 sec on the timer was actually 3 to 4 *real* sec). There was never any audio. But there was something *totally different* here. *Images from the video* were shown *throughout* the 3:50 ( 3 to 4 times that in *real time*) -- but because of the slow-motion timer, these images looked *exactly* as they would in a *slide show* made from the video. I have never seen anything like this before from a Flash Player. --------------------- --------------------------------------------------- The Teddy Bears "To Know Him is to Love Him" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnUsInBQws FIREFOX: --------------------- *first try* -- frozen black screen with audio advancing *normally* (i.e., no slow motion issues) from start to end. As soon as audio ended, video started to play -- from some undetermined point in the song -- and continued to end. This video played without any audio. --------------------- *second try* -- frozen black screen with audio advancing normally. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- NETSCAPE: --------------------- *first try* -- frozen black screen with audio advancing normally from start to end. As soon as audio ended, video started to play -- from some undetermined point in the song -- and continued to end. This video played without any audio. --------------------- *second try* -- frozen black screen with audio advancing normally. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- OPERA: --------------------- *first try* -- frozen black screen with audio advancing normally from start to end. As soon as audio ended, video started to play -- from some undetermined point in the song -- and continued to end. This video played without any audio. --------------------- *second try* -- in this case, it wasn't the black screen that was frozen, but an image of The Teddy Bears trio. Very likely, this image was the first image shown in the video. Nonetheless, it *stayed* frozen while the audio played normally from start to end. As soon as audio ended, video started to play -- from some undetermined point in the song -- and continued to end. This video played without any audio. --------------------- *third try* -- frozen black screen with audio advancing normally. "Seek worked." I let audio finish, and then player closed. --------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 3 a) completed -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 4 a): -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Browser: Internet Explorer 6.0.2800.1106IS -------------------------------------------------------------------------- With Flash Player 8.0.5.0 and Patcher off -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bjork "All is Full of Love" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvoEZXop4zM&NR=1 Perfect --------------------------------------------------- Kate Bush "Army Dreamers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWdHOm256N4&feature=related Perfect --------------------------------------------------- House of Pain "Jump Around" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQbPgouUYo Perfect --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Time to Pretend" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=canpQNO6Wgs Perfect --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Electric Feel" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZexg8sxyk Player opened with what was supposed to be a 20 sec video ad (as said at the bottom of the ad). Ad played *very* choppily -- both audio and video -- for about 10 sec until MGMT video started. Then, MGMT video played perfectly. --------------------------------------------------- The Teddy Bears "To Know Him is to Love Him" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnUsInBQws Perfect -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 4 a) completed -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 4 b ): -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Browser: Internet Explorer 6.0.2800.1106IS -------------------------------------------------------------------------- With Flash Player 8.0.5.0 and Patcher on -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bjork "All is Full of Love" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvoEZXop4zM&NR=1 Perfect --------------------------------------------------- Kate Bush "Army Dreamers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWdHOm256N4&feature=related Perfect --------------------------------------------------- House of Pain "Jump Around" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQbPgouUYo Perfect --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Time to Pretend" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=canpQNO6Wgs Perfect --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Electric Feel" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZexg8sxyk Player opened with what was supposed to be a 20 sec video ad (as said at the bottom of the ad). Ad played *very* choppily -- both audio and video -- for about 10 sec until MGMT video started. Then, MGMT video played perfectly. --------------------------------------------------- The Teddy Bears "To Know Him is to Love Him" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnUsInBQws Perfect -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Task # 4 b ) completed -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------

I like the way you leave nothing to *chance* by providing additional information. Yes, I know about the ActiveX control for IE. While I had FP 9.0.47.0 installed for Firefox, Netscape, and Opera, I had FP 8 installed for IE 6 -- at the same time -- and everything worked well. Thanks, dencorso. larryb123456

Many thanks for the reassurance. I thought that I had nothing to worry about from the testing, since I didn't think you and rl"ball"ew -- did I spell his name right this time ? (LOL !) -- would use me as an expendable guinea pig. That's a funny -- and *true* -- comment about Murphy's law. But my middle name is "Murphy", so there's no way I can escape his law (just kidding, it's not "Murphy"). As for being rich, I don't think I'd want to be -- just look at all the problems being rich caused for M C Hammer. #1 -- I'll first finish the results for FP 9.0.280.0 (just for "completeness", and since there aren't many more videos left to test). (But, if I run into major problems like yesterday, I will stop.) I'm going to change the layout of the report -- just a little bit -- so that it is not as "conjested". This will make it more readable. #2 -- I'll install FP 9.0.47.0. #2 a -- I'll test with Patcher turned off. #2 b -- I'll test with Patcher turned on. #3 -- I'll install FP 9.0.115.0. dencorso, I'm sure you meant to say 115 and not 151. If you did mean 151, well I'll test that one too. BTW, there *is* a FP version 151 (I have the entire FP 9 archive). #3 a -- I'll test with Patcher turned on. #4 -- I'll install FP 8 for my IE 6 (I do not want to play around with different versions of FP for IE 6 since FP 8 is my "backup" -- i.e., I know it works good and I've uninstalled/installed it a hundred times with no problems.) #4 a -- I'll test with Patcher turned off. #4 b -- I'll test with Patcher turned on. Barring any unforseen circumstances, I should have all this done by sometime tomorrow. Thanks, dencorso. larryb123456

Hello,rloew: What could be causing these problems ? (Who knows -- right ?) Sometimes -- but not too often -- I get hard computer crashes on reboot and this doesn't alarm me too much. My system continues to work great thereafter. What freaked me out was the *concentration* of problems around Opera and MGMT "Time to Pretend". In order, I got a computer hang, hard crash, hang, and finally browser crash with the USER.EXE error. I have *never* run into such a succession of problems like this before, so I was big time worried (that explains all the capital letters -- Sorry). Sorry. Thanks for correcting me. Let me explain why I have been referring to you as "rleow" for so long. The first time I misread your handle as rleow -- I am a little dyslectic -- I thought of the following mnemonic: I have an uncle named "Leo" so I'll just put "leo" in the center of your name. But now, my mnemonic will be: the "O" -- or "ball" -- goes in the center of your name. BTW, if you ever forget how to spell your name, you can use my "ball" mnemonic -- provided that you first send me a $25 licensing fee. LOL ! Thanks. larryb123456

Hello dencorso and rleow: --------------------------------------------------- With Flash Player 9.0.280.0 --------------------------------------------------- Bjork "All is Full of Love" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvoEZXop4zM&NR=1 FIREFOX: *first try* -- audio and video were in synch until 2:37. Then video froze up while audio continued to the end. When audio finished, video continued from 2:37 to the end without any audio. *second try* -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then, player shut down. *third try* -- the discussion below for the Kate Bush video at NETSCAPE: *third try* motivated me to reboot before trying the Bjork video again. Result -- the results were the same as in *first try*. ( Really, I wasn't paying close enough attention to the video, but when I noticed it had stopped, the time was 2:40 -- so, I'd estimate that the video stopped around 2:30 to 2:40.) As a final test of the effect of rebooting for Firefox, I thought I'd reboot and replay MGMT "Time to Pretend" . NETSCAPE: black screen while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing (but I don't think it started from the *very* beginning) and continued to end. OPERA: *first try* -- VIDEO PLAYED PERFECTLY -- AUDIO AND VIDEO IN SYNCH -- FROM START TO END. *second try* -- I thought I'd try it again to see the reproducibility. (I had played many videos between *first try* and *second try*.) Result -- VIDEO PLAYED PERFECTLY -- AUDIO AND VIDEO IN SYNCH -- FROM START TO END. --------------------------------------------------- Kate Bush "Army Dreamers" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWdHOm256N4&feature=related FIREFOX: video froze up immediately on starting and stayed frozen while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing and continued to end -- without any audio. NETSCAPE: *first try* -- video froze up at first frame. Audio played until 0:57 and stopped. Nothing I tried could get the audio to play again (moving slider bar, turning it on and off, etc.) *second try* -- computer hang. Used Ctrl+Alt+Delete to escape OK. Then, rebooted before third try. *third try* -- video froze up at first frame while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing (but I don't think it was from the *very* beginning -- but it was close) until end. This was the first time I had rebooted immediately before playing a video and the performance was improved a little but it still was not perfect. (The only other possible time I might have rebooted was before the Bjork video discussed above under FIREFOX: *first try*, so I thought I'd reboot again and replay the Bjork video for the *third try* to get some sense of the effect of rebooting.) OPERA: video froze up immediately on starting and stayed frozen while audio played from start to end. Then the video played (but not from the beginning) until end without any audio. --------------------------------------------------- House of Pain "Jump Around" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQbPgouUYo FIREFOX: video froze up immediately on starting and stayed frozen while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing and continued from beginning to end -- without any audio. NETSCAPE: black screen while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing and continued from beginning to end -- without any audio. OPERA: black screen while audio played from start to end. Then video started playing and continued from beginning to end -- without any audio. --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Time to Pretend" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=canpQNO6Wgs FIREFOX: *first try* -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then, player shut down. *second try* -- the discussion for the Bjork video under FIREFOX: *third try* lead me to reboot before replaying "Time to Pretend". Result -- the behavior was *exactly* the same as for *first try*. So, here, rebooting had absolutely no effect. Thus, I'm not going to do any more rebooting before playing a video. NETSCAPE: OPERA: *first try* -- Instead of a black screen on opening, it had a title page: MGMT "Time to Pretend". This title page remained while the audio played a couple of minutes and then I got a computer hang. Used Ctrl+Alt+Delete to escape OK. Decided to reboot and replay. Got a *hard* computer crash when trying to reboot. I booted up again and tried again. *second try* -- Result: As soon as webpage opened I got a computer hang. Used Ctrl+Alt+Delete to escape OK. Decided to try again, but did not reboot. --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- *third try* -- RESULT: SOON AFTER THE PAGE OPENED -- BEFORE THE VIDEO STARTED TO LOAD -- I GOT A BROWSER CRASH SAYING, "OPERA HAS PERFORMED AN ILLEGAL OPERATION AND WILL BE SHUT DOWN." ALL THE "DETAILS" ARE COPIED BELOW. AT THIS POINT I STOPPED, POSTED THIS MESSAGE ON THE FORUM, AND THEN SHUT MY COMPUTER OFF. I WAS GOING TO DISABLE YOUR PATCHER AND REBOOT, BUT I THOUGHT I SHOULD CHECK WITH YOU FIRST TO SEE IF THIS WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. FIRST, REASSURE ME THAT MY FILES AND COMPUTER HAVE NOT BEEN DAMAGED, AND THEN LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO NEXT. --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- --------------------- --------------------------------------------------- MGMT "Electric Feel" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZexg8sxyk FIREFOX: video opened with a 10 -15 second Google ad -- in the player -- which played with audio and video in synch from start to end. When MGMT video opened -- black screen while audio played from start to end. Then, player shut down. NETSCAPE: OPERA: --------------------------------------------------- The Teddy Bears "To Know Him is to Love Him" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnUsInBQws FIREFOX: black screen while audio played from start to end. Then video played from start to end without any audio. NETSCAPE: OPERA: --------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- Details of Opera's illegal operation --------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- OPERA caused an invalid page fault in module USER.EXE at 0003:0000771d. Registers: EAX=0002fffb CS=17a7 EIP=0000771d EFLGS=00000246 EBX=00026acc SS=4ae7 ESP=00008146 EBP=0000815e ECX=00029ff4 DS=16af ESI=00020000 FS=4a97 EDX=7d640000 ES=16b7 EDI=00020202 GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: 67 8b 41 46 50 ff 76 0a ff 76 04 6a 00 9a 2b 9e Stack dump: 9ff40020 00000002 00000000 6dd416af 00029ff4 00000000 236e81e6 00a10001 02020181 00029ff4 217f6acc 00008004 020206f8 018100a1 54ca0000 00a1000f --------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------- RLEOW, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT "AN INVALID PAGE FAULT IN MODULE USER.EXE" MEANS ? THERE IS SO MUCH MUMBO-JUMBO ON THE WEB ABOUT IT, THAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS. Thank you larryb123456

"Will do" for Netscape and Opera for 9.0.280.0 for the same videos. Then, I'll install 9.0.115.0 and test Firefox, Netscape, and Opera for the same videos. IE 6.0 is the highest version I can use with my Win 98. I was simply stating the problem that would have to be solved for FP 2.0.280.0 to work on YouTube. I certainly did not know the details of the Patcher -- or whether or not it had the capability to put the audio and video in synch. larryb123456