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Maybe I'm confused Cluberti, but... I set up a VM, set my http reg key to Opera (default http handler) JUST like in the log, and I cannot get Opera to launch within Windows Explorer. So, if Ambassador navigated to the HKCR CLSID key and looked for "opera.exe" in all of the subkeys, that wouldn't tell us anything?

Agreed, let's see some regmon output. Have a look at this: http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Microsoft_Operating_Systems/Windows/98/Q_21526023.html scroll to the green solution. Compare your registry. However this happened, it is most definitely a CLSID hijacking. A good one, but a hijacking nonetheless.

Tell us more about the XP install. Default install? Did you do something odd?

The fix is easy, but this says "solved." Is it? The fix is editing TXTSETUP and LAYOUT so that = 1,,,,,,,,3,3 is changed to = 1,,,,,,,2,0,0 for framedyn and srclient The byte counts of the files must stay the same. I will avoid 30 minutes of typing to explain how and why, etc and just say: replace ,_x, with ,, so that _x disappears from both (TXT... and LAY...) files.

Ah, a clever edit. I hope I was clear on the not naive part. It's why I put "like bootleg" trading. It's out there and has a life of it's own. We know about other sites. It just won't be in this neighborhood, unless its creator changes his mind. Tom's not going to haunt you in your dreams. But he's perfectly within his rights to stop distributing it himself, and the website and this forum is how he does that. No, the license has not changed from CC. Does it need to? Nope. By removing the binary, he's stopped his own distribution. If you share the binary privately with your friends, that's all you. The CC license does NOT mean that TommyP is forced to offer HFSLIP for download.

...That's what this has come to. The Backstory Of Recent Events Tomcat76 took an extended leave of absence and although we know his name, we're unable to contact him. It's a wasted effort -- even emails we're SURE are also him get denied. In Tomcat's case, he was someone who I call "overdedicated" to the project. He was encouraged to spend some time outside, so to speak, and one day he finally did. He went from posting here every few hours to... just gone. In Tomcat's case, it was for the best. TommyP caught a break when Tomcat was doing heavy development but when it got dumped back into his lap, it became another job taking up hours of his time and he got nothing for it. (And let's be serious -- forcing people to pay for it? How far would he get?) It wasn't the money anyway, it was the tremendous effort and being asked 20 or so times per week here and via private e-mail about use in a corporate environment. We've been over the software licensing issues time and time again; the most recent time, it resulted in a change of license (even though we were pretty clear that the first license, the GPL, explicitly disclaimed covering use as "beyond the scope" of the license). Putting in time and effort is one thing; imagine having to patiently type replies to a dozen people a week who are, or want to, use HFSLIP in their workplace. Maybe Tom could have made the license extend to workplaces limited to three or four employees, or make users promise in blood to leave him alone, but he didn't. He wasn't worried just about lawsuits. Imagine if Corporation X lets IT Guy Joe Sixpack go and they want to know why Add/Remove programs has HFSLIP in it -- what is that? Maybe they're delighted! What's Tom supposed to do when they turn to him for support right here in MSFN? He can refuse, sure, but at some point it gets to be too much. Microsoft can cover all of that. Tom isn't a professional software engineer, he's a hobbyist who makes software for OTHER hobbyists. HFSLIP quickly presented a scalability challenge with respect to it's creator. He's got a fairly demanding day job, a girlfriend, assorted esoteric hobbies (like building tube amplifiers), but HFSLIP took on a life of it's own. It was a combination of these things that led him to not only take a leave from MSFN for a while, but to pull the software and be "done" for good. I barely have time anymore for support here, and in any case it's gotten way too complex for me to support. No one else stepped up to the plate after Tomcat76, there were petulant demands on Tom* and no pay, so the program is no longer available for download. *Remember, what you see here in MSFN is the polite stuff. Imagine getting a dozen e-mails a week that are demanding in tone -- eventually, it will be beyond money, it will just p--- you off. Tom's not naive; he knows he can only police this forum and the website, so HFSLIP will no longer be available at these locations. I personally will not be distributing it in accordance with his wishes. Forum posts will simply have the binary attachment removed (again, this is what he wants). HFSLIP may be "around," but it no longer lives at this address.

Tom doesn't want it sent to Sourceforge (it has to be him, the copyright holder, to submit it anyway). In fact, he doesn't want it distributed at all anymore. I'll make a more general announcement in a new topic.

No, these were unintended. I will compare and see what I changed. I also left Set 8 up; that probably doesn't have the same problem so I am guessing I "accidented" some reg settings in Set 9.

I meant did any one of them work at all. I don't see that it does. This seems to be a display screen only. As for IE/OE, using MS defaults, that's right. Only my fileset removes IE. A microsoft unmodified default install only hides the desktop blue "e".

This worked for me http://web.archive.org/web/20060211002335/www.vorck.com/nt4.html Jaclaz, I don't know how you do it. I feel like I could ask you near any question and you'd come up with a link to something and it might be 10 years old but somehow you do it. Your memory is like a steel trap, dude. The NT thing was not ideal. I'm not going to edit the files, I'm done with all that, sorry; those days are gone. The instructions tell you everything you need to know anyway.

Brabant, I re-upped the file, see my first post above. SORRY!! {Feeling dumb} Merge that into HIVESFT instead.

Anyone try this, and have any ideas on whether it works in all scenarios?

http://hfslip.org/ http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/129-hfslip/

The guides for XP should also work on 2k3 http://www.ngine.de/index.jsp?pageid=4176 for example. There's one here at MSFN but I've never used it.

Why not use HFSLIP? http://www.msfn.org/board/forum/129-hfslip/ http://hfslip.org/ie7handling.html (Yes, URL says 7. Disregard). To be honest, I thought that HFSLIP was the one and ONLY program that could actually do this.

;-) No need, the win2k fileset should be all set up for this same exact thing. I haven't tested it, but the same edits have been made.

Sorry moteq, I just now noticed this post!! I can't say for certain. My IE.INF is a ground-up rewrite and I must have accidentally put in a vital DLL that shouldn't be removed. This is something that I am constantly updating so eventually it will be fixed ... sorry I can't say better than that! BTW, it was -Server 2003- that I got down to 270, not XP

"There isn't. Maybe others aren't at msfn 24/7." Okay Brabant, you got me there I tried this two-step on a totally clean XP. It works (so one does not have to use my fileset) but it would appear that checking / unchecking items did not actually work once the OS completed installation. So maybe it's just cosmetic, which is hard to believe but maybe. So I need some technical help. I have been fiddling with the HIVE files for a week now and I'm out of ideas right at the moment. At that point above in the setup, SHIFT + F10 brings up a CMD box which I then usually use to start REGMON and FILEMON from sysinternals via the command line. I save the logs to the desktop (which exists even prior to installation being finished) and then do whatever I'm going to do, and the REGMON and FILEMON "record" what Windows is doing during the install. I then wait until Windows is just about done and I re-save both, close them and then I can view the logs once Windows is installed. This is how I examine what really happens during an install. All sorts of things can be done including launching REGEDIT to tweak reg values in real time (only take effect on reboot) and many other things. Including, of course, playing Pinball during setup by CD'ing to its directory and typing pinball.exe. Anyway. You get the idea. So, this is a public cry for assistance to test this, and if it is only cosmetic, to see how to get it working!

okey-doke. Now that we have HFSLIP / FDV fileset folks attention (I need all the help I can get on this feature) I am going to lock this thread now so the two don't both expand.

Open SYSOC and have a look. There are SYStem Optional Components. Let's have a look at a sample group of entries: Games=ocgen.dll,OcEntry,games.inf,,7 AccessUtil=ocgen.dll,OcEntry,accessor.inf,,7 CommApps=ocgen.dll,OcEntry,communic.inf,,7 MultiM=ocgen.dll,OcEntry,multimed.inf,,7 AccessOpt=ocgen.dll,OcEntry,optional.inf,,7 Pinball=ocgen.dll,OcEntry,pinball.inf,,7 MSWordPad=ocgen.dll,OcEntry,wordpad.inf,,7 ZoneGames=zoneoc.dll,ZoneSetupProc,igames.inf,,7 Note that I have removed the word HIDE from them. "HIDE" prevents these options from ever showing up when you use "Add/Remove Windows Components." This effectively means that Microsoft is forcing you to use card games and pinball (for example) on your machine. nLite permanently removes these components forever, and my fileset comments them out (so at least you can add them later). Being able to select components BEFORE you install them was something Windows NT had that 2000 and XP and 2003 took away. nLite ripped those components out. My fileset makes Windows ignore them. But what if you could create an installation ISO that let you choose whether or not to install Minesweeper at install? You can't do that right now as XP is. That's just one example. ANY inf file can be optionalized... Internet Explorer can be made to be a simple checkbox! That's a heck of a lot more flexible than re-running nLite or making edits to my files. Now you'll have install media that lets you choose. Right now I am having COM problems during install, on an unrelated matter. I'd post my new fileset but I want to get it straightened out.

PROB, the same exact process applies to 2000. Give it a try. How to optionalize things that are not optional like IE is beyond the scope of this post. I'll be optionalizing things for XP and when I do I will probably go back and do the same for 2000 too so eventually this will be done for you.

STEP 1 Open SYSOC.INF (after expanding it obviously) Comment out: NtComponents=ntoc.dll,NtOcSetupProc,,4 To keep the byte count the same for LAYOUT, replace the H with semicolons: ;tComponents=ntoc.dll,NtOcSetupProc,,4 Re-compress it using MAKECAB. Don't forget to delete the expanded INF so that there is only the one SYSOC.IN_ file. STEP 2 Open HIVESYS.INF scroll to HKLM,"SYSTEM\Setup","SetupType",0x00010003,1 HKLM,"SYSTEM\Setup","SystemSetupInProgress",0x00010003,1 Comment these lines out. To keep the byte count the same for LAYOUT, replace the H with semicolons: ;KLM,"SYSTEM\Setup","SetupType",0x00010003,1 ;KLM,"SYSTEM\Setup","SystemSetupInProgress",0x00010003,1 I know nLite is popular, but this is a way to keep options rather than destroy them forever. It blows me away that there is absolutely zero interest in this.

Here's the answer. I will post the instructions tomorrow when I am at work and have my files. Basically, my thought process: Windows NT 4 populated the Registry with a hive file which I studied endlessly using REGEDT32. Years later, I am playing with Windows 2000 / XP / 2003 HIVE files (which I have begged and pleaded for people to experiment with FOR YEARS all to no avail -- come on, folks, if I'm the ONLY ONE doing this, nifty little discoveries take forever to find). I noted an odd discrepancy just the other day -- the NT4 registry data did not have any settings saying "this is a Windows installation." The NT 5.x HIVE files -do-, however, as does IE.INF. They all have markers saying, essentially, "the Windows setup process is underway." I decided to move the registry values that said this out of the HIVE files to somewhere else. My logic was that Windows setup will no longer be "aware" that that's what's happening. Now, my HIVE files populate the registry the NT 4 "classic" way and there is nothing to tell Windows that anything unusual (like an OS installation) is happening. Without these "setup is happening right now!" values in the registry when the SYSOC file is parsed, the Add/Remove options dialog pops up. Right after you are asked your name and organization and right before networking is installed. I will post the specific values tomorrow. The answer lies in HIVESYS.

I know about the whole don't double post bit, but this is directly relevant to the XP forum as well as this one. First look at the original post here I can fully confirm that somehow I have accidentally added Add/Remove capability to Windows XP on installation, just like NT4 used to have. I don't yet know how I did it (kind of like when I accidentally disabled SFC with one registry edit and couldn't figure out which one for months) but I suspect it was some specific edits to two different files that require a hacked setup DLL, so really, though it's appropriate for the XP forum, in order to make it work it takes more file editing than most XP users are probably comfortable with. So as I figure out what triggers the display of the options box (see linked thread for pic) I will try to document it here. I am trying to duplicate it for Windows 2000 and 2003 as well. I uploaded a Win2k fileset update that might work but I have not tried it yet (it's the standard download -- same link). I am also going to try to optionalize things that have never been optionalized. Right now, some compatability stuff that only XP fileset users would know about. Later, probably Internet Explorer itself and maybe other things. Stay tuned.

Somehow, I triggered it. Here's a screenshot from my VM during setup. I have done so many installs that I can't remember -- this isn't supposed to happen, right? It does with my current fileset but I don't know what I changed to trigger it. I have a suspicion but I am not positive. edit: better screenshot