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Feamane

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  1. OK, will do. Unfortunately there is nothing in the BIOS to disable the second core. Hyper Threading has been turned off in the BIOS for all the tests including the previous time I installed XP. So ya, I will install XP with one of the same sets of drivers and report the results. Thanks, DJ
  2. No, I don't think it is something new. Please keep in mind that for each test I'm formatting the HDD and reinstalling fresh, so absolutely no worries at all about possible driver version contamination or registry clutter. Thanks, DJ
  3. OK, I have not finished my testing, but I think a trend is emerging. All following tests with 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0, DC E6800(3330MHz), 1GB DDR2-667, DX9.0C, & RLoew SATA Patch: 3DMark Coolbits HWiNFO GPU Everest chipset CPU-Z Video OS VIA(GART) FW 2003 AGP Tab OS GPU MHz AGP status Graphic Int. ==================================================================================================================== GF6800 Win98 4.56v(V4.43) 77.72 6846 3.0 2x FW=0 8x@8x 324 Enabled 8x AGP 3.0, 8x GF6800 Win98 5.09A(V4.50E) 77.72 7438 N/A 8x@Disabled 324 Disabled greyed out GF6800 Win98 4.56v(V4.43) 81.98 6955 3.0 2x FW=0 8x@8x 324 Enabled 8x AGP 3.0, 8x GF6800 Win98 5.09A(V4.50E) 81.98 7594 N/A 8x@Disabled 324 Disabled greyed out GF6800 Win98 5.13A(V4.60A) 81.98 7592 N/A 8x@Disabled 324 Disabled greyed out GF6800 Win98 4.56v(V4.60A) 81.98 7594 N/A 8x@Disabled 324 Disabled greyed out (sorry, no matter what I do the tabs get messed up) Basically, any version of the VIA drivers besides 4.56 do not install, I have to install them manually--and when I do so all the utilities show AGP disabled. BUT, it doesn't seem to matter because the 3DMark03 scores end up being pretty close to each other with the 5.xx VIA drivers scoring higher even through they can't be installed by setup.exe and show no AGP enabled. Asrock provides 5.11A as being the driver for the 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0, but doesn't provide any official driver for Win98. On this forum people have reported successfully using 4.56v, 5.11A, 5.13A, 5.20A and 5.23A. I have tried all these in the past and none but 4.56v will install by setup.exe, the rest have to be installed manually through Device Manager. And it should be pointed out that all these 3DMark03 scores are WAY below what I get with the same exact hardware under XP. So maybe none of these versions of the VIA drivers are installing correctly under Win98? Thanks, DJ
  4. I tried installing it, but it wouldn't install because I don't have the correct hardware. Maybe it is only for Intel chipsets and I have VIA? Thanks, DJ
  5. Are those average speed numbers I'm getting from DiskSpeed32 not good for this rig? If they are good then I don't think that's the problem and I need to focus on other things like the drivers or other parts of Win98. If those numbers are well below average for this setup then that area bears looking into further. Thanks, DJ
  6. I don't see disk transfer scores in the 3DMark03 details, just scores for different parts of the test--but none of them say anything about disk transfer bench-marking. I am I missing something there? According to DiskSpeed32 I am getting about 72MB/s "Avg speed" with the HDD and about 99MB/s "Avg speed" with the SSD. In another thread here people seemed to think that was decent real life performance for SATA1/2 on this older hardware. Thanks, DJ
  7. I got some testing done but still a ways to go, maybe by the end of the week. AFAIK 3DMark03 is single-core only, so the test results should be the same. I don't think the score should be more than double with the same hardware on XP, should it? Thanks, DJ
  8. Hi guys, Yes, of course I saw that. But the strange thing is if I install ForceWare 81.98 or 82.69 instead of 77.72 then the AGP does not show as disabled. And as it shows in the screenshot I posted the AGP driver is working according to Windows device manager. It doesn't seem to matter if I install VIA drivers 4.56v, 5.04A, 5.09A, 5.11A, 5.13A, 5.20A or 5.24A--I have tried ALL of those so far because I have been doing my homework searching this forum for anybody who reported using this same motherboard and took note of the VIA drivers they reported using. So far none of them has been the magic solution to getting 3DMark03 scores like I get with the same exact hardware on XP. But notice this: the fastest score is with XP, the second fastest is with the 77.72 driver even though it says the AGP is disabled! And I get a lower score with FW 81.98 or 82.69 even though HWiNFO and Coolbits show the AGP is enabled with those two drivers. Does it make any sense to you guys that I would get a better 3DMark score with AGP disabled and a worse score with it enabled? So at this point I do not trust what the utilities are telling me about the AGP. I think what I am going to do this week is try different combinations of FW and VIA drivers and run the same diagnostics and do some screenshots. This will be a repeat of what I have already tried but I was just recording the 3DMark03 scores and not the other info. I will do this again using the different tools and record the results. This way you and I both will have a clearer picture of what I'm seeing. Thanks, but I have all the VIA drivers from 4in1_4.28 to Pro_5.24A, and all the ForceWare drivers from 56.64 to 307.83 squirreled away on my server so I can try many different combinations easily. And I HAVE been trying many different combinations! BTW, these are my notes about the different VIA driver versions I have: Version - 4.28v 26 December 2000 AGP 08-10-2000, V4.04 INF V1.20 Version - 4.31v 04 May 2001 AGP 08-10-2000, V4.04 INF V1.20 Version - 4.35v 25 October 2001 AGP 08-10-2000, V4.04 INF V1.40 Version - 4.36a 15 March 2002 AGP 08-10-2000, V4.04 INF V1.40 Version - 4.43v 10 September 2002 AGP 07-24-2002, V4.30 INF V1.70 Version - 4.49v 22 October 2003 AGP 07-02-2003, V4.42 INF V1.90 Version - 4.53 10 August 2004 AGP 07-02-2003, V4.43 INF V2.20 Version - 4.53v 16 August 2004 AGP 07-02-2003, V4.43 INF V2.20 Version - 4.55vp1 25 November 2004 AGP 07-02-2003, V4.43 INF V2.20 Version - 4.56v 12 April 2005 AGP 08-19-2004, V4.43 INF V2.30 (1st to support PT880pro) Version - 5.04A 11 October 2005 AGP 08-19-2004, V4.43h INF V2.50A Version - 5.07A 04 January 2006 AGP 08-19-2004, V4.43 (4.50D?) INF V2.70A Version - 5.08A 07 April 2006 AGP 08-19-2004, V4.43 (4.50D?) INF V2.70B Version - 5.09A 30 June 2006 AGP 08-19-2004, V4.43 (4.50E?) INF V2.70B Version - 5.10A 28 February 2007 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V2.80A Version - 5.11A 01 February 2007 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V2.90A Version - 5.12A 30 May 2007 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V2.90A Version - 5.13A 27 August 2007 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V2.90A Version - 5.14A 27 November 2007 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V3.00A Version - 5.15A 07 January 2008 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V3.00A Version - 5.16A 28 March 2008 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V3.00A Version - 5.17A 28 April 2008 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V3.00A Version - 5.18A 16 June 2008 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V3.00A Version - 5.20A 12 August 2008 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V3.00A Version - 5.21A 20 October 2008 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V3.00A Version - 5.22A 30 December 2008 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V3.00A Version - 5.23A 03 April 2009 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V3.10A Version - 5.24A 09 June 2009 AGP 06-29-2006, V4.60A INF V3.10A Notice that the AGP driver doesn't change between 5.10A and 5.24A! I downloaded the Intel accelerator driver so I can give that a try. Thanks, DJ
  9. OK, so to summarize the results so far: ASRock 775V88 P4-550(3400MHz) GF6800 Win98 FW81.98 3DMark03=7432 ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 Dual-Core E5300(2600MHz) GF6800 Win98 FW81.98 3DMark03=4775 (IRQ share with USB) ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 Dual-Core E6800(3330MHz) GF6800 Win98 FW77.72 3DMark03=7438 (IRQ share with USB) ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 Dual-Core E6800(3330MHz) GF6800 Win98 FW77.72 3DMark03=7435 (no IRQ share) ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 Dual-Core E6800(3330MHz) GF6800 Win98 FW81.98 3DMark03=5753 (IRQ share with USB) ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 Dual-Core E6800(3330MHz) GF6800 Win98 FW82.69 3DMark03=7589 (no IRQ share) ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 Dual-Core E6800(3330MHz) GF7800 Win98 FW82.69 3DMark03=5020 (IRQ share with USB) ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 Dual-Core E6800(3330MHz) GF7800 XP FW94.24 3DMark03=14436 (IRQ share with USB) Please keep in mind that I was seeing AGP 4x and Fast Write disabled with different versions of Forceware under Win98, but as you can see above I got better scores with the 77.72. Though of course the best scores so far with this same exact hardware is with the XP. So the question is still: why do I get 2x the score with XP? What is wrong with my Win98 install/drivers that is holding it back?
  10. The AGP tab doesn't show up with the FW77.72. It does show up with the 81.98 & 82.69. Everything else is the same. So far NOTHING will show me the APG status with the 77.72 driver installed. With 81.98 and 82.69 on either the GF6800 or GF7800 the APG status is shown by everything as 4x and Fast Write=Off. Any other tool that is known to show the AGP info? Without being able to confirm the AGP status, trying different drivers and settings is kinda just taking shots in the dark.... Thanks, DJ
  11. Hmmm... I only see AGP Texture Acceleration. I don't think that is the same thing, is it? Thanks, DJ
  12. This is all I get from NVTweak. It doesn't seem to add any tabs to the nVidia Control Panel and it doesn't actually show me anything, just able to pick what I would want it to show me if it did. Does it require a web interface or something? Maybe you were using an older version than what I was able to find? Thanks, DJ
  13. Hi guys, I am doing a fresh install each time I try a new combination. I have it 95% automated and it is done by booting off the NIC so it is pretty quick and easy. So no worries about previous drivers or anything, each test I do is a fresh install. For these tests I am just installing the OS; the MB, video, and sound card drivers; RLoew's SATA patch, and DirectX. That's it, then I run the tests. I looked up NVTweak and found "NVTweak (formerly Coolbits)" and "NVTweak is not fully compatible with Windows 98/Me", so it looks like NVTweak is a newer version of Coolbits but is not fully compatible with Win98--so is there some reason I should use it instead of Coolbits? I'm not finding an older version that would be more compatible with Win98 so far.... Thanks, DJ
  14. Installed the Via Pro 5.06 drivers and FW 77.72, still no AGP tab from CoolBits, Rivatuner, HWINFO, and CPU-Z do not show any AGP info. Not sure if it's the FW 77.72 that is somehow blocking the display of the AGP status? Gotta go and read some of the threads linked above and see if I can find any more clues. Thanks, DJ
  15. I don't have any .Net installed on this rig yet since I just keep re-installing to test, so I can give it a try. I never heard of the "Intel(R) Integrated Performance Primitives RTI4.0", I will have to do a search for that. With 77.72 installed when I merge the Coolbits reg. file I do not get the AGP tab at all! When I run RivaTuner all the AGP settings are greyed-out and it just shows PCI. Double-checked the BIOS settings are they are not changed from when I had XP installed a few days ago, Primary Video=AGP, 8x, Fast Writes=On, etc. Strange that with everything else the same just installing 77.72 instead of 81.98 shows no AGP at all. Maybe I need an older version of Coolbits and RivaTuner? I am not aware there were different versions of Coolbits. FW77.72 came out in 2005, I currently have the Via AGP driver V4.60A which came out in 2006 installed. Maybe I will try going one step back to the V4.43 AGP driver which came out in 2004 and see if that makes any difference. Thanks, DJ
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