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E-66

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  1. I have some other priorities at the moment, so that PC is going to be sitting for now.
  2. I don't remember the specifics of the EVGA PSU, but it's a quality unit. It's 650 watts, which is far more than any PSU I've ever had. From what you've written, you sound like a power user to me. I have a SSD and a basic video card, and I don't game. My PC is a glorified jukebox with a built-in web browser. I've exhausted my ability to troubleshoot. For $35 I'll let a tech at a local shop tell me what's going on.
  3. It powers on, shuts down, and restarts itself. I let it go through 2 of these cycles while touching the CPU heatsink as close to the CPU as I could, and the only temperature change I could feel was the warmth of my fingers touching it for so long. None of the components are "new" anymore, as the build is well over a year old, but I bought all the parts at the same time. I moved the EVGA PSU to my working system and it powers it fine. I moved the SSD over to my working system and used... I forgot the exact name of the program, but it gives you extended info about your HDD, and it reported that the SSD has been powered on for just over 120 hours, so you can see how little use all of the components have.
  4. If I let it power cycle for the 25-30 secs that it has been and the CPU heats up as much as you say it could, then shouldn't I be able to feel that in the heatsink? I've never checked that before but I'll fire it up again and see what happens. I hadn't made any changes to the stock BIOS settings when the PC was working previously, and just left them at stock and auto. That being said, I did spend a fair amount of time in the BIOS just looking around, and I don't remember ever seeing CPU temps of 40 or higher. I just rebooted the PC I'm using now and checked the CPU temp. 37, and its heatsink & fan are much smaller. I do have the BIOS set to control the fan speed as needed, and it rarely spins fast enough for me to even hear it, and I have the side of the case off. That's a different PC, of course. I'll see if I can feel the heatsink getting hot on the non-booting system and report back. Edit: I let it go through two of the 25-30 sec power cycles, and I couldn't feel the temperature of the CPU heatsink change at all. Then I felt the CPU heatsink of my working PC and it *might* have felt slightly warmer. The only thing that actually had a warm feeling to it was the chipset heatsink. It wasn't hot though, and I could have easily kept my fingers in contact with it all day.
  5. Yes, I did re-seat the CPU - no change. There's no instant overheat, either. I haven't ruled out any issues with the case switches, however. I've emailed back & forth with ASRock's tech support and it's been suggested that the power on, no post issue is the result of the CPU & FSB not syncing up. Regarding buying new hardware, I'm willing to buy a new mobo to see if that's the issue, but buying an expensive CPU just to test a theory is out of the question. Although, it occurred to me as I was typing the last sentence, I could try to find a older, used socket AM4 CPU cheap.
  6. I found an old case speaker and hooked it up to my working system and heard the familiar single beep when it booted. Went to the problem system and took the board out of the case as you suggested, connected the speaker, turned it on with just the CPU, and not a single beep, just the power cycling as already described. It's like the board passes electricity but nothing else. At this point I guess I either take it somewhere local and have them test the CPU and/or board, or just order a new board, unless there are any other suggestions?
  7. Ok, thanks. I'll look into it further and report back when I know something.
  8. Apologies, I didn't get a notification that there had been a reply. Yes, the PSU from the system that won't boot works fine in the system that does. Using it right now, in fact. That rules out the PSU, but does that also automatically indicate that the culprit is the mobo in the system that won't boot? I've tried everything you said above, and I believe I did those things before I even posted. Nothing ever shows up on the screen, and it always power cycles at the same 25-30 interval.
  9. I tried what you said. It turns on and looks fine (case fan & CPU fan spin), but it just power cycles every 25-30 sec. What's next? What is the reason it would barely power on at all when I connected the PSU from my working system to it as I mentioned above? That PSU has the same 24 & 8 pin connectors, but it'll barely turn on and then shut off and not come back on.
  10. Sorry, I posted right before I went to bed. Thought I included all the info, but obviously not. Mobo - ASRock AB350M (horrible reviews now, but not when I bought it): https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybcnxwbv First gen Ryzen CPU: https://preview.tinyurl.com/yacapzmn RAM: https://preview.tinyurl.com/ybd9ya93 This PC worked flawlessly for the short time I used it. All I did was unplug it from the wall and set the project aside for a while. Is there really any reason I need to re-seat the CPU? The EVGA PSU came with one of those dummy plugs to snap on the end of the power cable for the mobo. The fan spins. However, I had read that that wasn't a good enough indicator that the PSU was functioning properly, so that's why I thought I needed to do further testing with a multi-meter. Another bit of info I forgot to mention was that I took the PSU from my current working system and hooked it up to the non-working one. When I press the power button things light up only briefly. The fan on the CPU spins a few times and then stops and all the lights go out, and it doesn't power cycle. The PSU is a Corsair CX500M: https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8z246sm
  11. Cliff Notes version of my issue. Started a new build last year. No issues, but wasn't decided on which OS to install so I set it aside (unplugged) and went on with my life. Plugged it in recently and it won't POST, just power cycles. Everything lights up, the CPU fan spins, but nothing on the screen at all. It's *not* the monitor (I'm not that stupid). No speaker so no beeps to tell you about. The video card and SSD both work when I moved them to another build. Don't have a compatible system to test the RAM or CPU in. Cleared the CMOS and also tried a new battery. I thought it must be the mobo, but in Googling about the issue I read that the power supply could partially power up the system but not be putting out the full 12v at the rails. I have a multi-meter but haven't touched it in years. Please tell me how to set the dial and what to touch the probes to so I can diagnose this further. The PS is an EVGA SuperNOVA 650. https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9gb2we4 Thanks.
  12. I'd say that's a pretty good description of the situation. Jaclaz, if I had easy access to you and your knowledge (if you were my next door neighbor, for instance), I would have been more careful in my "experimenting".... but as you can see by the post times, you replied over 18 hours after my initial post. I had been reading about performance improvements with 4k alignment, read through a few "this is how you do it" articles, had some time on my hands, so I went for it. "Maybe I should ask Jaclaz about this first" wasn't an option. I'm a very curious and inquisitive person, and sometimes I lack the patience I should have in particular situations. I figured the worst it could do was screw up the OS. My data was safe, so I didn't care if things got ugly. Everything is fixed now, no worries. I'll definitely look through the links you posted though. And thanks for the DMDE link. I hadn't heard of that program.
  13. 4k alignment, or whatever it's called that SSD users are supposed to use. I read that it can also be used on regular HDDs. Why'd I do it? I wanted to see if I could notice a performance difference.
  14. I can't help it, I like to tinker with stuff, and sometimes I get myself in trouble... like now. I have a PC dual booting XP & 7, installed on a SATA HDD (using a small FAT primary partition, and the OSes on logicals). I've read about aligning partitions and thought it was only for SSDs, but apparently not? Anyway, while booted into Win 7 I used MiniTool Partition Wizard and aligned the partitions on the HDD. All but the Win 7 partition, as it couldn't be aligned while it was in use. It asked me if I wanted to restart and have it aligned then, so I said yes. Upon rebooting it said it couldn't find the boot manager. Did some Googling, and ended up using my Win 7 installation USB stick so I could access the "repair your computer" stuff. Tried Bootrec /rebuildBCD, /fixboot, and maybe anther one as well. There were no issues in executing the commands, but when booting I still kept getting the same message about not being able to find boot manager. The Win 7 install was fairly new and I didn't have any data I was worried about losing, so I decided to reinstall 7, and this was the first time I noticed that there might be an issue. Prior to reinstalling, the partitions looked "normal" in both MiniTool Partition Wizard, EaseUS Partition Master, and Windows' own Disk Management (I had moved the HDD to another PC so I could look at it), but once the reinstall began and I got to the screen where you choose which partition you want to install to I saw 8 instances of unallocated space (all with listed sizes of either 0 or 1 MB). One between each partition, and also one before the first and one after the last. I wasn't sure exactly what was going on, but I suspected it was tiny amounts of space that was created when the partitions were aligned. I just thought it was odd that the programs mentioned above didn't show it and that I was seeing it for the first time during the install. Anyway, the install seemed to go fine, but upon the first reboot I still got the message about no being able to find the boot manager. What's going on, and what do I need to do to fix things? What other info do you need from me? Edit: Oh, and since I didn't research things as thoroughly as I should have to begin with, is it true that XP doesn't like aligned partitions? So I need to "un-align" them? Or start over from scratch and repartition the HDD and forget aligning the partitions?
  15. There seems to be some kind of a glitch here (that's what I call it when there's something that seems obviously wrong but I don't have the know-how to figure it out). As mentioned earlier, despite my My Documents being over 7.5 GB, my user profile size showed as slightly less than half of that at 3.7 GB. I took everything from My Documents and moved it to a temporary folder outside of my profile folder, but still on the same partition. As a result, my user profile size shrank to 194 MB. Just now I did this all again, and also moved the Application Data and Local Settings folders out side of my profile folder, and my profile size was down to 5 MB. I assumed that would be the case. Moved everything back and profile size was back to 3.7 GB. To address your question (here comes the glitch), I copied a 3 GB ISO file into the root of my profile folder, increasing its "right-click > properties" size to almost 11 GB.... but when checking the profile size, it was now DOWN to 2.86 GB. Huh? I moved the ISO file to different places within my profile folder, and depending on where I put it, my profile size would vary between the 'new' 2.86 GB and the original 3.7 GB, but I couldn't get it to grow any larger than that. So even though moving my profile folder's Application Data and Local Settings folders in & out of the main profile folder made its size grow and shrink, ADDING a 3 GB file to either of these folder wouldn't make it grow any larger. I wasn't motivated to copy any other large files into my profile folder so my 'experiment' stopped there.
  16. 35 minutes... ouch! With my obviously smaller XP system image Norton Ghost takes less than a minute. I hate the idea of having to walk away for over half an hour while a system image is being restored, but at least it's not something that has to be done often. I've used XXCopy for years for non-OS backup. I've considered looking into XXClone for OS backup, but have concerns about the future of the program because the developer died recently. http://www.xxcopy.com/index.htm http://www.xxclone.com/
  17. Programs with installers typically install to the Program Files folder, but there's a lot of portable/self-contained software out there now. If you download such a program, it goes to wherever you have your browser set to download stuff..... which is presumably NOT to your Program Files folder. While it probably doesn't matter where you download it to for initially inspecting/testing the program to see if you want to keep it, from an organizational point of view it probably doesn't make sense to leave it there forever. So what do you do with portable programs you decide to keep? Do you move them to your Program Files folder (or perhaps create a 'Portable Apps' folder within the Program Files folder and keep them all together) and manually make shortcuts to them? If not, what do you do?
  18. @alacran Everything you suggested above is how my system was set up from the beginning (using the same reasoning), except that the OS isn't on C:, but D:, a logical partition. My C: is a tiny FAT32 partition with nothing but the boot files. My OS image is small and can be recovered in no time. I did a lot of research before installing XP permanently, and am very happy with the results. With that in mind, and I know this is the XP forum, I sure would like to know how to achieve the same thing (small image size) in Windows 7. I'll probably have to start a new topic for it in the 7 forum. With 7's giant WinSxS folder (and 7 just being a bigger install than XP in general), it seems impossible to make a small OS image that can be restored quickly. Back to XP. All that being said, for the subject of this topic, I don't think it matters if your system is set up 'ideally' or if it's all just dumped on one partition. If your My Documents folder has a bunch of stuff in it your user profile size is going to be huge. Move that stuff out, the profile size is smaller, but now that stuff is elsewhere. No big deal either way, as space isn't an issue for me... I just didn't understand why the user profile size was so large until I kind of became more educated about it over the last week.
  19. I've continued to mess around with this. As stated, my user profile was 3.58 GB in size. I did a little HDD reorganizing, and it grew to 3.78 GB. NTUSER.dat was 3,072 KB. As mentioned above, My Documents was over 7.5 GB. I took everything in it and moved it to a temporary folder outside of my user name folder, but still on the same partition. As a result, my user profile size shrank to 194 MB. I also used a shellbag cleaner, and NT Registry Optimizer, and afterwards NTUSER.dat shrank by exactly half, to 1,536 KB. I then took everything from the temporary folder and put it back in My Documents, and my profile size was right back up at 3.78 GB. So.... unless someone can offer insight to the contrary, I'd say that the "user profile" size is pretty pointless. It just means you have a bunch of stuff in your profile folder Great, that's what I thought it was for! If I move that stuff outside of my profile folder, whether it's 100 MB or several GB, the profile size drastically shrinks.... but that just means that that stuff is now located somewhere else. I have my lossless music collection on a separate HDD. If I had it stored in my profile's My Music folder, I guess my profile size would be almost a TB in size.
  20. Well, if it *is* the norm, then mine is 4x the norm, and I'd like to know why. Looking thru Google Images I saw one profile that was 21 GB, and another that was over 60 GB..... and plenty of others that were under 1 MB. https://www.google.com/search?q="windows+xp"+"user+profile"+size&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwit-bL_-OzUAhWBLyYKHV--Bb0Q_AUIBigB&biw=1600&bih=773 Look at the description at the top of the User Settings box when you get to it as I described above: "User profiles store settings for your desktop and other information related to your user account." That's a pretty vague statement. How can any of that "stuff" add up to over 60 GB?
  21. Right-click on My Computer > Properties > Advanced tab > User Profiles > Settings My profile is the only one there and it says it's over 3.5 GB in size. What things contribute to a profile's overall size? If I go to to the Documents & Settings folder and then right-click the folder with my name on it, it's almost 7.5 GB in size. Within it, Downloads is 6 GB, and another folder I created is just over 1 GB, so those 2 folders account for almost the entire size of the <my name> folder inside of the Documents & Settings folder. Everything else in it - 13 folders and 276 files, is 378 MB, so how is Windows determining that my profile is 3.5 GB in size?
  22. Did some poking around on my PC at things I don't normally look at regularly and noticed that the single profile on my PC is 3.58 GB in size. Did some Googling and saw advice about not downloading things directly to your desktop, temp files, Outlook Express files, and stuff in Local Settings in the user profile folder. My desktop is 99% shortcuts and a few tiny text files. Never used Outlook, ever. My temp files were redirected to another partition when XP was installed and are empty. The entire Documents & Settings folder was redirected to another partition when XP was installed. I just checked, and the Application Data folder is just under 200 MB, and Local Settings is just under 100 MB. What else would account for my profile being so large?
  23. Thanks for the lesson. Followup Q: With what you said above in mind, when you access a GPT HDD in Disk Management in order to create 1 or more partitions, are the Extended/Logical options either grayed out or not made available at all? Is the only option to create "a partition" because in GPT a partition is a partition is a partition?
  24. Another Q: If I set up the 3TB HDD in a GPT scheme, is the creating & formatting of partitions through Disk Management still the same? If it is, then since this is going to be a data-only HDD, say I don't create any primary partitions on it, thus there are no partitions to be marked as active, and I make the whole thing 1 or more Logicals inside an Extended.....and I don't connect this HDD to the system until after I've installed Win 7 on the SSD. Would this minimize the chance of any booting issues?


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