bearsowner

So what you guys are saying is bring the computer to the junk yard and get a new system, that sounds good too, but there are drawbacks to that also, I am used to what I am using.. Here are the specs on what I have now: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/documen...mp;lang=en#N522 You know at the time, it was a great machine, still is for me, does what I want it to do anyway.. Think I will just keep what I got till it dies... Thanks for the input...

This has been an on going problem, first the basics: OS: Windows ME Ram: 384MB Browser: Internet Explorer 6 SP1 Version: 6.0.2800.1106 Java: J2SE Runtime Enviroment 5.0 Update 13 Shockwave Version: 10.1.4r21 Flash Player Version: 9.0.124.0 The problem exists when closing certain websites. After closing certain websites and IE6 and return to the desktop, the desktop freezes. After a minute or more, the desktop becomes operable again and returns to normal. During the freeze time, if I click on a desktop icon, the hour glass appears and nothing happens till whatever is closing is done closing, or, whatever log is being written is done being written. This only happens when closing certain websites. I have reinstalled the OS, have reinstalled IE6 from a disk. Switched a long time ago from Microsoft's Java Virtual Machine to Java Runtime Enviroment. Someone told me this is an inherent problem with IE6 and older OS's like Windows 98SE/ME because of memory and resources issues with these older 64 KB resource limits. What you get is "resource drain" which causes problems similar to what I am experiencing. Read here: http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/resource.php The problem is, I am not so sure that is my problem, because the problem exists ONLY on certain websites. Anyone have any input?

I want to get a new monitor, but do not know if my display adapter can only handle a conventional screen or can I get a widescreen monitor. Here are the resolutions it can handle: High to lowest 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x768 1280x720 1152x864 1024x768 800x600 640x480 Video Card is: NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro Since this computer is 2001 vintage, I am thinking it can only handle a conventional size LCD monitor unless I change the display adapter. Thanks for any responses..

No, no answer yet from MSNBC tech support group and honestly I don't think I will get one. They did tell me to reconfigure my WMP which I did, but that was of no help. I can watch the videos from MSNBC with NO problem, it is after I am done watching and "X" out is when mine freezes up. Very frustrating because CNN and FOX news videos play fine.... I have come to the conclusion that the problem is with MSNBC videos and not my computer...

Okay deleted all, Sun Java, MSJVM, and Flash Player 9. Re-installed Sun Java, the latest version now is 1.05.Update 6, the latest version used to be 1.05.Update 7....did a version check at Sun Java, and indeed it told me I had the latest version with Update 6...what happened to Update 7? Went to http://gens.consolemul.com/ and YES! I got the Java Icon to the left of the time. It worked, so far. Could be MSJVM was conflicting with Sun's Java or Flash Player is conflicting with Sun Java, don't know yet, I have to re-install Flash Player 9 and see if the problem reappears..

Okay, went to the Java Control Panel, clicked on Miscellaneous the checked "Place Java icon is system tray"...then went to http://gens.consolemul.com/, STILL NO ICON NEXT TO THE TIME OR IN THE SYSTEM TRAY, SAME THING.. Java IS installed on my machine, the latest version. 1.5.07, but also have MSJVM still installed. You got the ICON and a I didn't. That means my computer thinks Sun Java is NOT installed or can't find it or both. Will un-install both Javas, Sun's and MS3810, and just re-install. I have the Sun Java installation downloaded on my computer, should I get it from a different source or re-download the installation application again? This is like the 3rd time I am doing this because of the recurring problem. Thanks for your help..

"hey bearsowner, try visiting the GENS emulator web site with Sun Java & any web browser: http://gens.consolemul.com/ I went there with Sun Java and the Java system tray icon appeared in the bottom right-hand corner next to the time. that meant that the version of Sun Java I have installed [1.5.0 update 7] worked" First I went to Java on the Control Panel and changed setting to "Show Console"...clicked on the URL about, NO Java Icon in bottom right corner, at least not at this site. I have seen this Icon appear on other sites that run Java... I think I am going to uninstall MSJVM Build3810, it may be conflicting with Sun Java even though it is unchecked in the Advanced Tab under Internet Options... Actually what I am going to do is uninstall both Javas and the re-install Sun's Java only..see what happens, go nothing to lose at this point... still think Flash Player has something to do with the problem.. I just do NOT want to re-install the OS at this point for something so trivial...

BTTT...for HELP! Need some help with this, very frustrating..

Okay found the freezing and crashing is due to IE6 or Windows Explorer waiting to close. It just hangs and won't close the site. I have experienced this on some other websites, but within 20 or 30 seconds the site eventually closes. Anyone know why the lapse of time occurs? Just a side note, I have the latest version of Sun Java running along with Microsofts Java Virtual Machine Build 3810, just wondering if there may be a conflict there.

You can't use 6.4 if you want to watch videos from the sites bearsowner says. WMP9 is compulsory or at least some components of it. You are absolutely correct. MSNBC even tells you that their video player is optimized for WMP 9. The other two sites CNN and Fox also use WMP as their player, but haven't had any problems after closing down. So after making a brilliant deduction, there is something different that MSNBC is doing.

Update: The problem does NOT occur watching news videos at CNN.com or FoxNews.com...the problem ONLY exists at MSNBC.com...does that tell you something? Like the guy who went to the doctor complaining that every time he bangs his head against the wall it hurts...the doctor charged him $100 to tell him to stop banging his head against the wall..

Hi, thanks for the input. Well I have the latest version of Internet Explorer that ME can handle, plus all the updates have been loaded from the Windows update sight. I am using the latest Windows Media Player 9. But now you have me thinking that maybe one of the media players files could be corrupt, unlikely, but possible. You're saying the videos on MSNBC are played using WMP, I had thought Flash Player... Back to the drawing board.. Thanks for at least responding... And no Ctrl+Alt+Del does NOT work, I have been trying that since the beginning...the Close Program menu appears, but nothing happens when you click End Task... It seems like it is waiting and waiting for something, but it never happens...

This has been an ongoing problem...I have a DSL 1 meg connection. After watching a streamng video on MSNBC or on any other site and try to "X" out, a complete freeze, nothing happens. My mouse will move, but clicking on the "X" not does close the window. Clicking on anything else has no effect either even before trying to "X" out. The video plays fine with no problems, but after that I have to manually shut down the computer and then start it again and run through the scandisk process to correct errors it has found. Don't think it is a memory problem, 384 Ram installed, but have virtual memory set at 896 megs min and max.. I have heard this is a common problem with Win ME because it cannot release memory correctly? Anyone can explain that? Have the latest version of Flash Player installed incidently, version 9...also using IE6 as my browser...

Well doing a reinstall of the OS is what I am trying to avoid, but I guess that is my last alternative if I really want to solve the problem. I can live with this and use the Flash Player switch to turn FP on and off, but that is not the intended purpose of the switch. I am presuming what you mean by "reinstall everything" is reinstall WinMe, because if you read my previous posts you will see that I have installed, uninstalled, and then reinstalled all the components I am talking about here. I have all clean versions of Flash Player 9, Java J2SE 5.0 Update 7 (which has no bearing on the problem) and MSJVM (again no bearing on the problem). On another site, someone had told me it could be an ActiveX problem. The modules that want to be installed at the top of the page which are written in Sun's NASApp, cannot load because an ActiveX control is being blocked by Flash Player. If this is true, I need to find someone who is knowledable about ActiveX controls. It might be easier just to reinstall WinME..

Absolutely correct, no problems with the site. The problem exists at my end. The top module on the left does not open or does the schedule to the right. If I disable Flash Player 9, the two modules open. There is a conflict somewhere either in my browser, IE6 SP1, or a registry value that is not letting the modules open with Flash Player enabled. The fact is I many never figure out why this is happening on my computer. I tried fixing IE6 and also did a complete re-install of IE6, but that doesn't mean it still isn't corrupted. I have to make sure it does the same thing when using IE 5.5, I almost sure it does, saying that I then have to believe it's in the registry somewhere.

"IE 5.5 SP2 on Win ME with Flash 8 and JRE 5.0 Update 7 and no problem to view this page here." I sure hope not! This is one of the sites that is giving me trouble, the module at the top of page does open and also the schedule underneither the photos of the pitchers: http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=nym

Thank you for all that information. It has been quite helpful. Since then I did finally re-install MSJVM Build 3810 ( I manually deleted all the "dummy" files that were left after using the uninstall app). I downloaded Build 3809 first, then updated with Build 3810. Did a jview and it showed that Build 3810 was indeed installed on my computer and working properly. Also, I re-installed Sun Java's J2SE Runtime Enviroment 5.0 Update 7. Both Javas running side by side, because I did run across one site I frequently visit that needs Sun's Java, like you said, some sites updated, some did not... The problem I have has nothing to do with Java as I found out. The problem stems from the installation of Adobe's Macromedia Flash Player and it doesn't matter what version I use, the problem still exists. How I found this out was I competely removed all Java from from computer according to erpmans directions. Tried the web page with Flash Player installed. The problem was still there. I uninstalled Flash Player and the problem was gone. When Flash Player is installed, the page will not show or download certain text on the page, and, get this, there are NO Flash movies or animations on the page either! The page is written with NASApp... more about that here: http://access1.sun.com/techarticles/context.html Evidently pages written using Sun's application will not work when Flash Player is installed on my machine. The text I am missing are modules on the page using NASApp! That is why only certain parts of the page are missing and not all. This would be something I would like see someone solve. It could be something embedded in IE6, but more likely I am missing something in my registry or in one of the components of IE6. Anyone want to try and solve this? lol

Also there are about 10 or 11 System files that were changed to "dummy.exe" in WinME when MSJVM was uninstalled that have to be deleted in order to do a re-install of MSJVM What I missed was the Windows\Java folder on my last attempt You might also want to delete that one windows\system\CatRoot file that begins with F750E When you restart, windows makes a new F750E file... I am determined to get MSJVM back on my system without having to do a OS re-install!

I respect your honest opinion, but doubt it is the websites fault because this problem exists on more than one website. Ironically all these problems came about when I uninstalled Microsofts Java Virtual Machine Build 3810. When I was usin MSJVM I had no problems at all, but I was convinced by another party, whom I would like to choke right now, to get rid of MSJVM and get Sun's Java. I have tried several times unsuccessfully to to re-install MSJVM and used erpdude's method. I get to a point where it almost fully installed, but right at the end I get an error that says: "There is a device connected to this system that is not operating correctly" or something to that nature. I have no devices that I know that are not working correctly, but that depends what they mean by "devices". I am starting to think "devices" might mean VXD.dll files. I have 3 VXD.dll files set to ".old". I am going to set them back to ".vxd" and try to get MSJVM back on my machine and dump Sun Java. With rational thinking now, it must be Sun Java causing the problem, because like I said I had no problems when runnng MSJVM.

So far this is what I have done. Uninstalled Flash Player 9 and Installed Flash Player 8 Uninstalled Sun Java J2SE Runtime Enviroment 5.0 Update 7 (lastest version) Also deleted the two registry keys as erpdude suggestged Re-installed Sun Java J2SE Runtime Enviroment 5.0 Update 7 (same version, I have the offline installer downloaded and save it for instances like this, makes things a lot faster) In the Advanced Tab under Internet Tools Options, Sun Java is already checked off When I go back to Tools and click on Sun Java Console I get an error: "Sun Java is not currently selected as the default Java for the browser" and then instructions on how to do it. In actuallity it is checked off and there is no other Java to choose from since MSJVM has been uninstalled. Using updated and current version of IE6 SP1 for WinME By the way the problem still exists at least at this URL: http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=nym Should I try Flash Player 7? lol Or an earlier version of Sun Java? It seems I have a compatibility problem...

what kind of computer are you using, bearsowner? specify how fast your CPU is and how much RAM your computer has. Flash Player 9 is crappy on machines slower than let's say 800Mhz PC with less than 256 megs of memory. Stick with Flash Player 8 or 7 as Flash Player 9 files are bigger and demand more resources. Recommended config for Flash Player 9 is a 1Ghz CPU with 256Mb or even 512Mb of memory. What version of Quicktime do you have on your XP computer, 303? I have Quicktime 7.1 (Quicktime 7 & higher do NOT work under Win98/ME/NT4 as they require Win2k/XP). also how fast is your XP machine (mention type & speed of CPU and how much RAM is installed). My Sun Java software CAN run even under my WinME and WinXP machines (i'm using JRE 5.0 update 7). You have to enable it from your web browsers, NOT from the Java Control panel. From IE's Internet Properties Advanced tab dialog box, scroll down and find the Java [sun] section and make sure the Use JRE checkbox is enabled. Also from Mozilla/Firefox browsers, check the Java box if it is unchecked. If you still have problems with Sun Java, un-install it, delete the \Application Data\Sun\Java\ folder (if it exists), delete the "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\JavaSoft" and "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JavaSoft" registry keys in Regedit, download a clean version of the Java software from the Sun Java site and re-install it. BTW - my WinME machine is a Pentium 3 [766Mhz] with 256Mb of RAM and my WinXP machine is a Pentium 3 [1.2Ghz] with 384Mb of RAM. Both the Sun Java and Flash Players work correctly on my ME & XP computers. Adobe sent me an e-mail after I told them about my problem. They wanted a few URL's where I encounter the problem. I have not received anything else from them yet. "what kind of computer are you using, bearsowner? specify how fast your CPU is and how much RAM your computer has." HP 7950 AMD processor, Win ME OS, 1.2GHZ CPU Speed 384 Megs Ram.. I would think maybe this should be enough for FP 9. I been thinking on the same lines as you, one of the two apps I have updated is causing the problem, either FP 9 or Sun Java's J2SE Runtime Enviroment 5.0 Update 7. One may have to rivert back to an older version. Can't hurt to try it.

I just updated to the latest version of Sun's Java and Adobe's Macromedia Flash Player. Now on a lot of web pages in order to view some of Java applets I have to turn off Adobe's Macromedia Flash Player! I had to download a switch to turn Flash Player on and off. This is really wild. When I turn off Flash Player the Java script comes up perfectly, but if there is a Flash Player on the page, it will not play of course because it is turned off. When I switch back and turn Flash Player back on, the page reloads and the Java script or applet will not appear, but can view the Flashplayer animations or video. Is this the fault of: Sun Java J2SE Runtime Enviroment Adobe Macromedia Flash Player or Internet Explorer 6 SP1 Anyone know of a fix for this, so I can get rid of the switch.. PS: Running Windows ME I am new here and posted this on another forum on this site, but think I should posted it here, sorry about that.

I just updated to the latest version of Sun's Java and the latest version of Adobe's Macromedia Flash Player. Now on a lot of web pages in order to view some of Java applets I have to turn off Adobe's Macromedia Flash Player! I had to download a switch to turn Flash Player on and off. This is really wild. When I turn off Flash Player the Java script comes up perfectly, but if there is a Flash Player on the page, it will not play of course because it is turned off. When I switch back and turn Flash Player back on, the page reloads and the Java script or applet will not appear, but can view the Flashplayer animations or video. Is this the fault of: Sun Java J2SE Runtime Enviroment Adobe Macromedia Flash Player or Internet Explorer 6 SP1 Anyone know of a fix for this, so I can get rid of the switch.. PS: Running Windows ME (98SE without System Restore, SFP and some other goodies) This is my first post on here, but have been reading a lot of the posts. Lots of good info here, thanks.