andregcasal Posted November 14, 2009 Author Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) Understanding The Boot Process - CD Shell lets you choose which XXXX.DAT boot sector to access (located on the DVD root)But what makes the DVD boot from CD Shell? Is it just the loader.bin in /BOOT that causes this or is it something else?Once you turn ON your PC, when the DVD player starts to read the DVD, the very first bits it reads are those who tell the PC whether this is a bootable DVD or not. Once the PC "knows" that it's handling with a bootable DVD, asks you if you want to boot from it and if you "Press any key to boot from DVD" it starts of by reading the next bits. Those bits are CD Shell's binarys for the software that will run the menu. Call it the "operating system" in wich the menu will be launched. Once inside the menu it's up to the user to select the XXXX.DAT boot sector to be launched. When it does, all the bits in the RAM clear out and the selected boot sector will load the same way CD Shell's "operating system" did, as if it where an original windows DVD, acting as the new "operating system" for all the operations that will take place from that time on. Edited November 14, 2009 by andregcasal
meowing Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 Once you turn ON your PC, when the DVD player starts to read the DVD, the very first bits it reads are those who tell the PC whether this is a bootable DVD or not. Once the PC "knows" that it's handling with a bootable DVD, asks you if you want to boot from it and if you "Press any key to boot from DVD" it starts of by reading the next bits. Those bits are CD Shell's binarysYes, I knew all that, but what binaries are they, how does the booting PC know it should read those, where is this set?
cdob Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 but what binaries are they, how does the booting PC know it should read those, where is this set?The BIOS read sector 17 of last session.“El Torito” Bootable CD-ROM Format Specification http://www.phoenix.com/NR/rdonlyres/98D321.../specscdrom.pdfThis “Boot Record” must reside at sector 11 (17 decimal) in the last session on the CD. The Boot Record contains an absolute pointer to the Boot Catalog.Given cdshell: the Boot Catalog contain a pointer to another sector. This sector contain data from loader.bin.
andregcasal Posted November 14, 2009 Author Posted November 14, 2009 I hope cdob helped. I get the feeling you're looking to create your own boot record. If that's the case, I'd like to follow your work.
meowing Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) This “Boot Record” must reside at sector 11 (17 decimal) in the last session on the CD. The Boot Record contains an absolute pointer to the Boot Catalog.Given cdshell: the Boot Catalog contain a pointer to another sector. This sector contain data from loader.bin.So, I think this means you need to burn cdshell's loader.bin to that sector (as that sector of 2048 bytes), and that loader.bin sector on the iso tells the machine to check the folder /BOOT for the next step? Really strange, but this information on cdshell is not easy to find, so thanks for the Torito pointer. I can only find this http://cdshell.org/doc/loader.html but without examples.By the way, the links to cdshell in most guides are wrong, it's at http://cdshell.org/ now. Edited November 14, 2009 by meowing
andregcasal Posted November 14, 2009 Author Posted November 14, 2009 (edited) My best guess: When you are creating the ISO file, the batch command start cdimage.exe -lDVD -t01/01/2006,12:00:00 -b\DVD\BOOT\loader.bin -h -n -o -m \DVD C:\AIODVD.iso imprints the loader.bin into the corresponding section of the ISO. This loader.bin actually comes with CDImage itself, so it's not related to CD Shell. Think of the loader.bin file as the binary code that tells the machine (where) to start loading stuff from the DVD. What happens next is that the machine starts to load the CD Shell "operating system" wich in turn launches the menu. The loader.bin file is the same for pretty much any DVD, except DVD's with secure data. Edited November 14, 2009 by andregcasal
cdob Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 So, I think this means you need to burn cdshell's loader.bin to that sectorNo, loader.bin is not located at sector 17. Read the CD boot specs again.and that loader.bin sector on the iso tells the machine to check the folder /BOOT for the next step? Loader.bin load cdshell main application: cdsh.bin.By the way: cdshell is not developed since 2005.
andregcasal Posted November 14, 2009 Author Posted November 14, 2009 By the way: cdshell is not developed since 2005.BTW, is there any leading open source booter around?
cdob Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 This loader.bin actually comes with CDImage itself, so it's not related to CD Shell.CD Shell contain a loader.bin. It's recommended to use this loader for CD Shell.BTW, is there any leading open source booter around?What's a leading booter?There are two open source booter developed currently:grub4dos and syslinux.
andregcasal Posted November 14, 2009 Author Posted November 14, 2009 What's a leading booter?Leading stads for leadership, the leader, the best, the most used. grub4dos must do the job. Thank you.
meowing Posted November 14, 2009 Posted November 14, 2009 What's a leading booter?Leading stads for leadership, the leader, the best, the most used. grub4dos must do the job. Thank you.Yes, grub4dos is also used by the MultibootISOMaker: http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=23375 but I have no idea (as of yet) how to set that up for a menu to run XP x64 setupldr.bin files.. if you find a decent example, please post it here.
cdob Posted November 16, 2009 Posted November 16, 2009 General grub4dos informations: integrated help filehttp://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/wiki/index...ub4dos_tutorialhttp://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/Grub4dos.htmGrub4dos can chainload setupldr.bin: no need for a boot sector file.Grub4dos was enhanced recently, 14th Nov 2009: http://nufans.net/grub4dos/tinybit/Editing in RAM is possible now.title Loading XP install - plain /I386/SETUPLDR.BINchainloader /I386/SETUPLDR.BINtitle Windows XP Home\n Windows XP Home - multi boot - unattendedmap --mem /XHO1/SETUPLDR.BIN (rd)cat --locate=i386 --replace=XHO1 (rd)+1chainloader (rd)+1root ()title Windows XP Home\n Windows XP Home - multi boot - attendedmap --mem /XHO1/SETUPLDR.BIN (rd)cat --locate=i386 --replace=XHO1 (rd)+1cat --locate=WINNT.SIF --replace=WINNT.OFF (rd)+1chainloader (rd)+1root ()title Windows XP Home System Builder\n Windows XP Home - multi boot - mass storage drivers floppy imagemap --mem /INST/F6FLOPPY.IMA (fd0)map --mem /INST/F6FLOPPY.IMA (fd1)map --hookmap --mem /XHO1/SETUPLDR.BIN (rd)cat --locate=i386 --replace=XHO1 (rd)+1chainloader (rd)+1root ()title Windows XP PRO 64 SP2 - multi boot map --mem /XP64/I386/SETUPLDR.BIN (rd)#checksum: geitonaki http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=58410write --offset=0x2060 (rd)+1 \xEB\x1A#cdob SetupSourcePath="\XP64\"; BootPath=\XP64\AMD64\ #http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=&showtopic=126480&view=findpost&p=814566cat --locate="\\i386\\ntdetect" --replace="\\XP64\\ntdetect.com" (rd)+1cat --locate="amd64\\" --replace="XP64\\\x00" (rd)+1cat --locate="AMD64\\" --replace="XP64\\\x00" (rd)+1cat --locate="\\AMD64" --replace="\\XP64\x00" (rd)+1cat --locate=I386 --replace=XP64 (rd)+1chainloader (rd)+1root ()@meowingYes 0x00 is importand, space won't work.
ssk_oo7 Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 DEAR SIR, YOUR - Download geitonaki's SFX file LINK IS NOT WRKING AND [How To] Multi-boot DVD Guide (Updated)LINK IS NOT WORKING PLEASE ME THE SFX FILE AND UPDATED GUIDE...
ssk_oo7 Posted March 1, 2010 Posted March 1, 2010 DEAR SIR, YOUR - Download geitonaki's SFX file LINK IS NOT WRKING AND [How To] Multi-boot DVD Guide(Updated) LINK IS NOT WORKING PLEASE ME THE SFX FILE AND UPDATED GUIDE...
andregcasal Posted March 1, 2010 Author Posted March 1, 2010 (...) Pool results:I will be updating this guide soon to add support to Windows Vista and Windows 7 aswell. (...)So hang on
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