OK folks. No progress as yet. In answer to the query both machines are running IE7. I have now downloaded Fiddler but I have no idea what to do with it - I am experimenting and have watched the tutorial video. This is what came up when I tried to access www.my.axa.co.uk [Fiddler] 504 - HTTPS Connection failure: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond 163.156.193.218:443 Timestamp: 11:52:32:2370 (BTW I created another user on the Vista machine and that also could not get into www.my.axa.co.uk) Now then!! I have by chance found another site that will respond under AOL but will not respond under IE on the same (Vista) machine - I will have a look on old XP machine later. As it happens on my own website there is an embedded access to www.amptracker.com in AOL all is fine in IE Fiddler says: HTTP/1.1 502 Fiddler - Connection Failed Content-Type: text/html Connection: close Timestamp: 12:07:47:7380 [Fiddler] Connection to www.amptracker.com failed.<BR>Exception Text: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond 67.207.135.76:80 In spite of the site being fully present in AOL. my web site address is www.snurzurne.com (and it badly needs bringing up to date - but thats not the issue here) ?????