OK after several hours of searching the web I have found out a little more information, but no answers. Apparently a lot of the problem, if not all of it has to do with my wireless card and it's chipset (Intel 2200BG). Dozens of ppl using vista with this card are experiencing similar problems, some none at all. Anyone else using this particular chipset, apparently it's really, really popular with OEMs, HP, Levono, Toshiba... anyone have any success?? I cannot get the protected vista drivers to delete so I'm having no luck really getting the driver updated. It sees the new driver, but wants to keep the original, I've tried the DOS command to allow for unsigned drivers too.