sorry XPerties, I miss read your msg. I dont think however that slagging me off was the next course of action though. I have been building and fixing computers since I was 11 for people I dont know. I am not a creatin, nor a computer newbie. Just to hit this home I have detonator drivers 21.83 and before I posted the first msg I tried downgrading the detonators to no avail, then tried the drivers supplied by the manufacturer. again no result. It is VERY unlikely that this is a problem with the graphics card as I cannot even find any drivers for the monitor to upgrade or disable or delete. Plus it has worked with 2000 and 98se many many times b4.