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Thanks BudwS and cc333 for correcting me regards Apple. Probably will end up with a Mac when Windows no longer viable. Unless they make the iPhone-esque system feature locked. That happens, they'll treading in Microsoft footsteps. :-)
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Just done a fresh install of Win 10, at their request, on a relatives laptop. And found the install options to turn off the spyware etc reduced to two questions, and they were basically only locatation based. That's it, sticking with Windows 8.1, and running various Linux distros in a virtual machine. After that when Win software I use won't run anymore, then maybe a Mac. Not that I like the notion everything must be Apple to run on it!!!
Waywyrd.
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7 hours ago, RanCorX2 said:
^ you can find them on my onedrive in my tweak thread.
Thanks for the share.
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Hi RanCorX2,
Interesting reading about your batch files. Something similar was done by Bold Fortune for WinXP. Enabling you to disable, remove services etc, with batch files and also revert changes with batch files. Would you be willing to share your batch files or how you write them?
Regards,
Waywyrd.
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This thread is very important, IMHO.
So I think it ought to be stickified.
Could a moderator be so kind as to do it, please?
This thread is very important, IMHO.So I think it ought to be stickified.
Could a moderator be so kind as to do it, please?
Only really useful if one can still get the software. Would it be allowable under the forum rules to post the software (assuming the licence allows it of course)?
I totally agree with the above comments. This thread ought to be stickified... even if only the Freeware software is allowed.
When I've got the time I'll see if there's anything I can add in the way of software links that are allowable.
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Hi,
First of all thanks to Fred Vorck. I don't know whether he visits these forums or not but thanks to him and others who contributed to this project at: Remove Internet explorer at install . I am now happily running Win2000 with no IE installed.
Has anybody else tried or currently using this way of installing Win2000?
Inevitably I'm going to have to scrap "Windows" altogether and "get my head around Linux". I say have to because while I'm not a computer "geek" I still like to some sort of choice as to how I run my pc, without this "one size fits all approach" that Microsoft seem to be forcing on the end consumer.
Oh by the way I still run Win98SE, which has been "98Lited" with a few other modifications and the stability is incredible. Plus I rarely if ever have problems with viruses or other malware.
Though I'm not a "geek", I've never been 100% happy with a web browser so heavily tied into an o/s as Windows.
Regards,
Waywyrd
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Hi All,
With regards to Win98 security I came across this link: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/2072/whyxpbad.htm
On MDGx's site among the links for WinXP.
Does anybody else have any thoughts on this. Personally I found two areas of interest "Windows XP is not real" and "Services-based architecture".
I'm currently running a dual-boot 98 & XP, but this page has made me seriously consider dropping XP altogther and "migrating to Linux" when Win98 is no longer viable. Or am I having a "knee-jerk" reaction?
Regards,
waywyrd
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Hi,
Could we add 'maximus-decim' service packs for Win98 and IE6.0?
He seems to have put in a fair amount of work. I've used both his update packs with good results.
Waywyrd
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Hi,
Yes, DRM wil get cracked, no doubt. But that's not the problem at stake here, it's TCPA! (Trusted Computing Platform)A few links for those that haven't read up on it;
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Compu...atform_Alliance
This is beginning to seriously look like George Orwell's "1984". I've only read two of the threads (one wanted Quick Time) and it's a very scary thought!
And by the way, I also like ( not love though) my windows... it's their policies and politics I can't stand.Agreed and seconded.
waywyrd
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Hi,
To Tilstad, being the original poster of this thread, I've got to say I found your comments very interesting and informative.
When I originally posted the thread, one of my thoughts was that it wouldn't be too long before WinXP was 'obselete' in Microsoft terms, and there was no way (if I could avoid it) I was going to 'migrate' to Vista. I'm currently dual-booting Win98 and WinXP. Mainly because some programs do work better under XP and I also wanted a little bit of knowledge as to how XP 'runs'.
With regard to a mass migration movement, maybe this Win98 forum would be a good platform to start from. Personally, I've already started to tell the people I know that I'm not 'migrating' to Vista, and perhaps more importantly why I'm not. The issue of having to inform Microsoft and hold your hand up every time your PC wants 'a tea-break'!
Waywyrd
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Hi,
First and foremost, I think that your specs for Win95 are only going to be good for W95... sorry dude... but, you also mentioned a possible fix for those issues- recompiling the kernel. Not a bad idea, if you are a developer. Someone like me, a tinkerer in software, no programming skills really... I can't do that... so it is a no-go for my side of this issue...Someone said somewhere the problems of Linux for people like us here is that there are too many choices. and I agree.
Do they **all** run ****ALL**** the same software? Recompiling the KERNEL?!?! How often do you have to do that?! What is the software support like in Linux? IF YER NOT A PROGRAMMER?
Do you see the issues with Linux clearer? It may honestly fit the 'requirements' for a PC, but not necessarily the people requirements of their PC... I'm quite smart, and I can do anything I've tried eventually... but I still have yet to give Linux an honest go- I have the entire world to enteract with, not just Linux users...
The online software for my college (for instance) only supports IE5.5+ and FF 2+
and the Linux build in my live CD doesn't work with it... hmmm.... neither does Launch.com (music site with video), or any other multimedia website... and there's no Windows Media support at all on Linux... we hate the M$ beast, but we are still dependant since we don't want to be shut ins....
Wanna get that geat game of yesteryear to play on your dinosaur? Too bad, Linux can't do it. Linux on NEW hardware and with emus can **try** to do it... but hell no.
If it was *easy* to create a minimal but *fully functional* Linux distro with all the compatible programs to replace Windows entirely, then it may be an option... just like how the Knoppix LIVE DVD works...
You see, the issue is how the hell do you install hardware or software on Linux? Everything I've read is waaaay too intense just to play pacman...
I find myself pretty much in the same position. I'm not above tinkering with the O/S etc, to customise to the way I'd like it to be. But, I feel 'stuck with' MS until someone can create a minimal, fully functional O/S, where you can add the programs you want and still have the compatability with the file formats that Windows users take for granted.
Waywyrd
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Hi,
Thanks DeadDude, for your kind comments.
I'm glad that other members are realising that the aim/point of my original post was to ask if anybody had found or was using a viable alternative to Win98. Perhaps I should have made it plainer from the start, that I wasn't neccessarily thinking of other Microsoft O/S. Neither was I looking for 'the best' O/S, if there is such a thing? There's been enough posts about which is the best O/S, usually ending up in a 'slanging match' as to why such-and-such O/S was rubbish etc.
The aim of this post was/is to see if there was a viable alternative to Win98, other than just upgrading to Vista. While, with regard to Linux, the choice is good, what isn't so good is 'going through hoops' to get it to handle all the various hardware and file formats, that Win98 handles almost 'out-of-the-box'!
Waywyrd
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Hi,
Thanks very much to 'wild weasel' and 'BenoitRen'. You guys have "hit-the-nail-on-the-head". This was the sort of answer I was looking for when I posted my original question.
The 'reactos' system sounds like a very good idea. Particularly for those of us who would to use a pc O/S without having to go through hoops finding the right hardware drivers and software to run it. I was lucky when I tried Ubuntu, it found all my hardware and installed the relevant drivers. Even so I still had problems in other areas with different file types and applications.
waywyrd,Have you heard of reactos?
It seeks to build an NT compatible system, but under GPL, or a variant of that.
However, it is still in beta 0.3.0.
They say that when it reaches 0.5, it may be usable on a day-to-day basis.
I am sure you know about Gape's unofficial windows 98 SE Service Pack - works a treat!
By the time you "need" to give up win98, linux will be even better than it is now & there are so many distros -
one will fit the bill, I'm sure.
Wild Weasel
That's Linux' biggest problem. There are so many distributions that you don't know what to choose. There are so many window managers you don't know what to choose. Standardisation is a big problem.Regards,
Waywyrd
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Hi,
Just a personal recomendation with regard to backing up, I personally use DOS versions of Ghost or DriveImage. Others may disagree, but from the research I've done on the web and from various newsletters I've read by people who know wayyyyy more than me, the DOS versions of Ghost/DriveImage are virtually 'bulletproof' when it comes to making and restoring a corrupted O/S. This is the approach I've been using for the past 4-5 years. Being able to restore the O/S with all your settings, programs etc., within 10-20 minutes is almost miraculous, compared to 1+ hours re-installing just Windows!
Waywyrd
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Hi leoliver,
I was able to recue a non-booting laptop with Bart PE's rescue disk. By 'rescue' I mean I was able to re-boot the laptop, get into a WinXP style enviroment and run the Windows disk checking/repair utility. This restored the laptop to its normal bootable condition. Though the checkdisk utility did keep repairing errors on every run, the laptop (as far as I know) is still functioning.
As far as I can remember when you boot a PC with Bart PE you are in a user friendly WinXP enviroment, where you can run WinXP and other disk utilities and browse through files and folders, as if you where in a true O/S enviroment.
Hope this helps,
Waywyrd.
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Hi,
To EternaL... this might be "overkill", but what I've done is to create a dual boot with Win98/WinXP. On the Win98 partition I have a folder for the DOS version of Ghost, with mouse support. I have the boot menu to load either 98 or XP, and then the boot menu for 98, which allows you to work from the command prompt etc.
So far, if I've made a back up copy of the essential boot files for XP (boot.ini - bootsect.dos - ntdetect.com - ntldr) just in case, I've been able to re-ghost either 98 or XP independently of each other with near 100% success.
I've gone for the dual boot with 98 because, it still has native MSDOS support and a GUI interface for more "advanced" rescue utilities.
Hope this helps,
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Hi PsycoUnc,
-Hey, anyone encounter this before? Some (not all) burned SL DVD's (just data backups, not bootable/etc), burned in XP, and verified by the burning program as perfect, are not accessible at all in winXP, altho are perfectly accessible in win98se...???
-error: "Windows cannot read from this disk. ...might be corrupted, or incompatible format..."
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-no fancy burn/format settings, std. cdfs iso/joliet, DVD+R, burned at slow stable 4x (w/16x media, 16x NEC ND3550A burner (been using for 6 months, no probs), latest 1.06 firmware), and win98se has no trouble reading them (altho some w98se apps also can't read em)...
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(using CDburnerXPpro 3.0.116, tho none of this info is really important, as my only question is: why can old, scorned w98se read what "supposedly" superior XP can't? -especially when they were CREATED in xp, and even verified, file by file, by the burning software after the burn? Seems like xp just can't "mount" it, afterwards... ?)
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-anybody run across this crap?
-any ideas?
(and please, no "well just use a better burning prog", or "use better media", cause that's Crap, w98se has no prob reading/using it exactly as it is, every time, every dvd, instantly, so why not xp? Also please no "well xp doesn't like your cheap burner", because xp is supposed to be BETTER with hardware, at least that's one of the key arguments towards "upgrading" to xp... ?)
(yes, by now u can tell I'm NOT a huge xp fan, tho I am forced to use it for stability/compatibility purposes...
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-thx, Bri... >;]
I don't know if this will shed any "light" on your problem but, I have a similar problem with a dual boot system, Win98/WinXP. Using Nero 6, last full version, I can (99/100) burn whatever type of file I want to CD/DVD successfully. How ever when I try the same with XP, I have a 50/50 chance of creating a ... CD/DVD coaster!
Another family member also using Nero 6/7 has had similar problems. In fact one DVD he burned wouldn't read on either his PC or mine. XP basically crashed. When I tried the same DVD under Win98 on my PC, the only problem I had was finding the right program to run the file. (It was an MPG, which media player didn't have the right codec for.)
I have no uneccessary services running on either O/S system and I don't do anything with my PC, except to monitor what Nero is actually doing. This is all on the same PC using two different O/S.
Funnily enough I'm not a huge XP fan either and only use XP for stability/compatability.
Whenever I want to burn a CD?DVD I trust Win98 before XP.
Waywyrd
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Hi,
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=87883I think we've had enough of these threads...
My apologies if this post is 'off target' or considered as repetition.
But, with all due respect I wasn't looking for reasons to continue to run Win98 now. My question was intended as to what the options would be now or in the next couple of years. When there's a likelihood of buying a new PC, even a low spec one, where the manafacturer doesn't provide Win98 drivers. Or am I wrong, will you still be able to buy a 'blank' PC (with no O/S) with Win98 drivers?
Regards,
Waywyrd
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Hi,
To quote Tamiga:
These are my thoughts to Win9x. It is good for older machines and will do its job for another two or three years. Actual software is (still) available, drivers are becoming a little problem now. But there is one thing I am sure for now: I will never use Vista because of its built in "protection" against the user. I don't know why to use a os which controls my machine in that way, that I am only the owner, no longer the boss of it. It is some kind of a communistic os as I am only allowed to use hardware, software and media which is "officially" recognized and approved my MS$ and its related industry (Didn't we have that already?).This brings me to linux for example opensuse and ubuntu. WXP is supported until 2009, and I am working in parallel with linux. And then, somewhere in 2008, I will make the final move...Good bye windows.
Has anybody got any valid ideas to an alternative to Win98, ready for when it's no longer practical to run this O/S anymore?
I've personally had a brief 'play' with Ubuntu. While I was very impressed with the speed with which it installed and updated it's self (without frequent reboots), I couldn't get my Canon printer to work and had several problems with various media file formats. I would basically like an O/S that is straight forward to install and use and has good hardware driver support, plus media files support.
For the reasons Tamiga gave above, plus all the 'bloat', I've no desire or intention to use Vista and I don't have the funds for a MAC!
I have no desire or intention to start a 'flame' war as to the best alternative to Win98, I'm hoping for constructive discussion to alternatives that work as well, as far as possible, as Win98 did. If that's possible?
Waywrd
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Hi,
To all you guys who posted supporting Win98... I couldn't agree more. I'm dual-booting Win98 and WinXP and for different reasons I like both O/S!!! And will continue to use Win98 for as long as I can. There are still several things I can use Win98 for... far more successfully than XP.
However... from what I've read and seen about Vista, WinXP will be the last Microsoft O/S I use by choice.
My main reason being... I for one am sick of this 'race' to build ever bigger and faster computers, with an O/S that gets more and more bloated... in the name of progress??? My slipsteamed WinXP O/S is now to big to fit on one CDROM!
For progress in an O/S, how about a choice (for those of us who want it), the choice to decide what parts of the O/S you would like to install. I doubt there's many, if any, other companies who more or less give you a 'take it or leave it option'.
Waywyrd
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Hi,
With regard to any version of Internet Explorer, I think (from what I've come across on the net and personal experience with 98SE) that the fact that IE is so heavily tied into all versions of Windows, in itself creates major vulnerabilities and "holes" that malacious programs can use and exploit.
I ran Win98SE for years with IE as a stand alone browser (thanks to IEIradicator - then 98lite) with fewer problems than the default Win98SE. No known viruses or attacks! Never updated Windows itself, except for internet connection bug fixes i.e. dun 1.4 and vctp .386. Proving that it's not essential to have any browser tied into a computer o/s.
Is whatever ease of use??? the average computer user gains from being able to browse the web or their harddrive from one application... worth the constant stream of critical updates and bug fixes?
With regard to other browsers in general, they have (for me) one major advantage over any version of IE... they're more pro-active and generally quicker at fixing and up-dating their browsers.
Waywyrd.
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Hi,
I found if I reinstalled the WinME version of my sound card drivers... everything works. Basically I suppose when making modifications using "98SE2ME" if something 'breaks' and you've got your original driver disc (which I do) then try Me drivers or vice versa.
Waywyrd
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Hi,
With regard to a post "I can install the drivers under a "98Lited" Win98SE for AC'97 Motherboard sound cards, but when I install the "ME replacements" I get the error icon showing in device manager for the sound driver. Uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers makes no difference." I have found if I remove the original drivers before installing 98SE2ME, on PC reboot Windows attempts to re-install the drivers and when I point Windows to the Me divers... success!
Also the 8-22-2006 edition of 98SE2ME will now allow the Power Management Options in Windows to work on my PC configuration.
Waywyrd:Please try the 8-22-2006 edition of 98SE2ME:
see if everything ok.
And if you have any comments, please post them here:
http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=46349
Thanks.
Many, many thanks to Gape and yourself for all your hard work and effort in to keeping Win98 Alive and Kicking.
I nearly went to Win2000 in favour of XP (I hate that activation crap, on principle, let alone all the headaches it can cause) until I saw... the long, long list of critical updates!
Keep up the Brilliant work.
Waywyrd
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Why'd you make 3 threads about this?
Drivers are specific to OS, WinME version probably won't work on 98SE.
Hi,
With regard to the first question, I 'got lost' trying to make sure I was posting in the right area.
As for your reply, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I was wondering if it was a driver problem/conflict, but wasn't sure if there was a workround.
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Windows 95 as an "app" for Windows 10, Linux & Mac?
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This looks interesting. Being a bit nostalgic I wish I could still run Win98SE, with IE removed, courtesy of https://www.litepc.com/98lite.html, MDGx (from this forum) and a guy from the UK who had method he called Speedos. I had an incredibly fast O/S, with few or no BSD's, and it would run for hours before needing a reboot. Even though I started with a fairly high spec computer for the time, after the 98SE mods there was an significant speed and response increase.