1) Thanks for that information on the update for Acrobate- apparently I messed up when I booked mark the page. 2) OK, don't know how to do that 3) I am, the hotfixies there are ones that don't want to integrate correctly into the DVD, this way they get installed regardless 4) I hate them as well, but the department wants them - work at a university, not much I can do there 5) Will look into AdAware SE pro and discuss with my boss, thanks for the suggestion Again, your input is greatly appericated.