firstly that is rubbish as i cut and paste this from an email an associate recieved 30 mins ago: At this time the Longhorn beta program is scheduled to begin no sooner than mid 2005. Secondly i urge you to read my post correctly. I said beta M9. May you reference this: Longhorn Beta 1 Milestone 9 (Beta 1 M9) March 16, 2005 Longhorn Beta 1 May 25, 2005 Longhorn Beta 2 October 12, 2005 Longhorn Client Release Candidate 0 (RC0) February 22, 2006 Longhorn Client Release Candidate 1 (RC1) April 2006 Longhorn Client release to manufacturing (RTM) May 24, 2006 Longhorn Launch (widespread public availability) Summer 2006 to October 2006, depending on release schedules for other Longhorn wave products. Longhorn Server RTM/Longhorn Client SP1 RTM Second half of 2006/first half of 2007 (Client RTM + 6 months) Beta 1 is for general public BETA testers. M9 is for previous MS testers who have tested Server 2003, XP and so on so forth.