RU-B

Will say, Vista being broken was likely something completely unrelated, not NT 4's fault. It really just is 7 and NT 4 disliking each other. Unfortunately I don't believe I actually installed this OS. I used a winworld image. I don't believe that I would be able to install it as it won't understand the drives, as they are all greater than 131 GB. The same thing happens in the W2K installer, and it just corrupts the drive of any partition you ask it to install to or create. Unfortunately, the actual INF file for my disk driver is mostly nonfunctional as it is a universal ATA driver (and there is no floppy drive on my computer so pressing F6 to install a driver on startup is useless), so it has to be installed with the registry, but I cannot do that on my CDs as they are single write. I have DVDs that I can use, so I might try that, but I will be gone for the next 10 days ish and wont be able to continue working on the project till then. My question would be: If I just convert the partition to FAT16 (and shrink it since its ~10 GB right now), will the operating system still boot? A lot of things could go wrong there, like the drive letter being lost, the boot sector being removed, or critical files being located in different areas. I used macrium reflect's "fix windows boot problems" utility to make NT 4 boot in the past after copying the winworld image (I think?) so I wonder if that would work here. Anyway, thanks for all the help. I'll make a post on here after I've got a working FAT16 Install and have disabled the NTFS driver, hopefully fixing my issues. Again, thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it.

Unfortunately I have just installed both of the relevant updates (ntfs.sys and the 872 one) (by install I mean copy the files over for ntfs.sys and run the EXE for the other) and unfortunately the issue persists. Once again, it is just 7. Vista is acting fine now. Seems like I may have to install to fat 16, which I am clueless on doing.

That hotfix sounds exactly like what I want! I learned a bit more: - Vista won't boot after NT 4 booting - I have a startup check disk limiter on each of my operating systems (simple .reg file I made to make the startup autocheck only do the C: drive) and I hadn't done it to XP yet, and XP tried to chkdsk each of the drives NT 4 can access, telling me that NT 4 is the issue, not 7. Basically that NTFS hotfix sounds perfect. Currently I bricked NT 4 (new startup error) because i tried installing partition magic 4.0 and for some reason it broke the software registry so I have to fix that, but I'll get back soon when I get that update installed Again, thanks so much for the help, I really appreciate it! EDIT: I really cannot find that update. I'll keep looking but help on where to find it would be much appreciated! EDIT 2: I may have just found it but im suspicious (https://www.betaarchive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40382&__cf_chl_f_tk=dOafT5wrF_elZnesLERkjmiDMaGq6isc5VSdWUsqWa8-1782857308-1.0.1.1-HoOFfixhJ5_T9zQ6Jy1AJ26fhv6D91eglrOyD_ImIiw) This site also mentions an update to untfs2.dll which I may need, so I'm glad it comes included)

Thanks! I've done a lot of work on this setup. I have not installed any other updates, I did not know they existed to be honest. To be clear, NT 4 cannot access the Windows 7 drive or partition. It can access other drives that windows 7 can also access, and this is what is causing the issue. Something about the way that NT 4.0 accesses NTFS volumes makes them freeze up to windows 7. I will look into other updates available for NT 4 after service pack 6. Thanks for the suggestion. My main question at this point is how NT 4 is even accessing drives like Vista, as they are NTFS 3.1 and NT is NTFS 1.2. Do any of the service packs or updates enable NTFS 3.1 access? Or at least 3.0 since 2K doesn't cause this in windows 7? Also, why doesn't this issue happen to any other OS? Win 7 is the only one afaik, not even Vista which NT 4.0 can read from and has a drive letter assigned to. Going back to what you said about a FAT installed NT 4, would there be a way to install it to FAT then remove the NTFS driver? That could fix the issue. Thanks for the reply!

Precursor: *SKIP IF UNINTERESTED* I have a multibooted computer with 13+ entries in the bootloader. Currently, they go as follows: Win 11, 10, 8.1, 7, Vista, XP, 2K, NT 4.0, ME, 98 SE, 95, 3.1, and an Ubuntu install. All of them boot correctly (now after much disarray), and are neatly put into a single boot menu running without metro UI but on the modern BCD framework. I use 5 real mode boot sectors for ME, 98 SE, 95, 3.1, and Ubuntu using modified versions of generated files from easy bcd (based on grub4dos 0.4.6a). For NT 4.0, 2K, and XP, I also use Easy BCD (this time unmodified) to boot into them. Each operating system works fine. All operating systems above 2K have fully fledged drivers for everything, the base board is an IPIBL-LB (random HP board) with 4 drives + a CD drive. *** SKIP TO: Here's the problem: If I follow these steps, things go wrong: Boot into NT 4.0 (no issues) Restart (no issues) Boot into Windows 7 (no issues*) Once into Windows 7, after fully started, Windows 7 (but not any other operating system [ex 8.1]) will become super sluggish and slow. All drives are accessible except for the ones accessed by NT 4.0 during its boot (any time in the past, even hundreds of power cycles ago), mainly NT 4.0 itself as well as Vista and 2K. The FAT (non NTFS) drives accessed by NT 4.0 remain accessible, but NTFS drives accessed become unreadable/uninitialized in only windows 7. Trying to start a disk check on those volumes fails, and the UAC prompt takes forever to come up anyway. The system is unable to shutdown too. The current only way to fix this is to boot into another operating system and disk check anything accessed by NT 4.0. Here's what I want: Windows 7 can access all drives and not be sluggish after booting into NT 4.0 any time in the past Windows 7 can still see all partitions on all drives Here's what I don't care about: NT 4.0 not being able to see any other partition (actually ideally it shouldn't be able to) Here's my idea: NT 4.0 does not have disk drivers. It sees the drives (500+ GB) as 131 GB (No lba 48 support) - I have a disk driver I could install, but doing so seems redundant since it will only be a nightmare to reletter each drive and fix the USB drivers as well as making more partitions accessible from NT to further break 7 - If I could maybe get Vista to unletter from NT 4.0 and install NT on FAT, then it would maybe fix the issue? However I can't unletter Vista. I would also need guidance on installing NT 4.0 on FAT. Other than that I'm clueless Other info: I have removed all drive letters from NT 4.0 besides itself (now C:) and Vista (Z:) (it won't let me remove Vista as "boot drives MUST have letters" [this makes me confused]) NT 4.0 can only see 2 drives (technically 3 but it doesn't read the third), of which the picture has the layout. The full disk manager layout from 8.1 can be seen as well. This is NT 4.0 built 1381 SP6 I would really appreciate some guidance! I'm lost. Genuinely no idea where to start or how one or two partitions ruins 7 completely. Clueless, however much I might know. Sincerely, RU-B **Don't want any "Give up" vibes please**